Saturday, February 1st 2025

Edward Snowden Lashes Out at NVIDIA Over GeForce RTX 50 Pricing And Value

It's not every day that we witness a famous NSA whistleblower voice their disappointment over modern gaming hardware. Edward Snowden, who likely needs no introduction, did not bother to hold back his disapproval of NVIDIA's recently launched RTX 5090, RTX 5080, and RTX 5070 gaming GPUs. The reviews for the RTX 5090 have been mostly positive, although the same cannot be said for its affordable sibling, the RTX 5080. Snowden, voicing his thoughts on Twitter, claimed that NVIDIA is selling "F-tier value for S-tier prices".

Needless to say, there is no doubt that the RTX 5090's pricing is quite exorbitant, regardless of how anyone puts it. Snowden was particularly displeased with the amount of VRAM on offer, which is also hard to argue against. The RTX 5080 ships with "only" 16 GB of VRAM, whereas Snowden believes that it should have shipped with at least 24, or even 32 GB. He further adds that the RTX 5090, which ships with a whopping 32 GB of VRAM, should have been available with a 48 GB variant. As for the RTX 5070, the security consultant expressed desire for at least 16 GB of VRAM (instead of 12 GB).
But that is not all that Snowden had to say. He equated selling $1000+ GPUs with 16 GB VRAM to a "monopolistic crime against consumers," further accusing NVIDIA of "endless next-quarter" thinking. This is debatable, considering that NVIDIA is a publicly traded company, and whether they stay afloat does boil down to their quarterly results, whether we like it or not. There is no denying that NVIDIA is in desperate need of some true competition in the high-end segment, which appears to be the only way to get the Green Camp to price their hardware appropriately. AMD's UDNA GPUs are likely set to do just that in a year or two. The rest, of course, remains to be seen.
Source: @Snowden
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243 Comments on Edward Snowden Lashes Out at NVIDIA Over GeForce RTX 50 Pricing And Value

#176
Easo
Now that is a name I would not have ever imagined writing about GPU's...
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#177
Contra
dyonoctisSounds like a glaring oversight has been made then. If SER hardware is mandatory to enable neural rendering, then it should have become a standard feature set of Direct X. And how is Intel also working on Neural rendering if they are not going to implement something similar to SER ?
Haha, maybe;) Let's compare in 2-3 years
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#179
Legacy-ZA
dyonoctisI'm in a discord server with someone who bought a 5080 that was manufactured the 17 January...sounds like Nvidia rushed the launch
I am sure there will be, but where are all the others that were manufactured when nGreedia stopped RTX4000 production since last year October? Only 2000 for the U.S.A? No, no no no, something very wrong here.
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#180
AusWolf
Legacy-ZAI am sure there will be, but where are all the others that were manufactured when nGreedia stopped RTX4000 production since last year October? Only 2000 for the U.S.A? No, no no no, something very wrong here.
They're being withheld to be reclassified as 5070 Ti Supers later.
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#181
csendesmark
thesmokingmanHow bad is it that even Snowden is chiming in? :laugh:
Russia is on sanction list, so he will not get it :rolleyes:
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#182
Sound_Card
Bomby569nvidia sells AI cards with 1000% profit margin and in the gpu market has no competition, they make their own weather like it or not. This is more a failure or the competition, every monopoly will end like this
What's funny is that AMD has faster cards for AI (MI300x and 350x). Nvidia is prone to get popped for its anti-competitive CUDA.
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#183
Daven
The only take away from all this…boycott $1000 and above GPUs. They are not worth it.
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#184
Sound_Card
DavenThe only take away from all this…boycott $1000 and above GPUs. They are not worth it.
I say $700 and above.
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#185
R0H1T
Sound_CardNvidia is prone to get popped for its anti-competitive CUDA.
Popped by who, the Orange Corleone? He's more likely to extort a few hundred million off of JHH so that he sells even more Blackwell GPUs to China :pimp:
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#186
Krit
Steve3p0That's why AMD is the future. Realistic pricing with common sense frame buffers. 16GB VRAM was common place highend in 2017 for VEGA and VOTLA.
That's early to say because we don't know the actual price. Performance seems to be around RTX 5070 Ti which costs 750$.

700$ bad price
650$ nothing special
600$ good price (RX 7800 XT was 500$) There are no reason why technically RX 9070 XT should cost more than that! It has the same old cheap GDDR6 16GB and similar die size it's just overclocked much more aggressively that's it.
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#187
tfp
I can't wait for another value added take from another celebrity.
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#188
Solid State Brain
Obviously he's referring to GPUs in the context of running LLMs locally instead of gaming?
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#189
Sound_Card
Solid State BrainObviously he's referring to GPUs in the context of running LLMs locally instead of gaming?
Then he should just buy a 7900xtx that has 24gb. Apparently, that card is crushing Nvidia at the new deepseek R1.
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#190
Krit
freeagentAt least someone is being vocal about it. Not just crying about prices on forums.
An average human is not celebrity who will listen to that? Best we can do is to insult anyone who buys RTX 5080 or something like that.
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#191
ZoneDymo
freeagentThis is rich coming from you. Go play a game or something.
Not a single counter argument and an equally without merit retort followed by a request to no longer partake in the conversation.
tsk tsk tsk.
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#192
freeagent
ZoneDymoNot a single counter argument and an equally without merit retort followed by a request to no longer partake in the conversation.
tsk tsk tsk.
For one, I had just woken up, and two, I am not going to play your game.
KritAn average human is not celebrity who will listen to that? Best we can do is to insult anyone who buys RTX 5080 or something like that.
He isn't a celeb to me. I was just happy someone said something outside of the forum space lol
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#193
Bomby569
we desperately need gpus made in China
or somewhere else, but i guess they are our best bet.
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#194
ZoneDymo
freeagentFor one, I had just woken up, and two, I am not going to play your game.


He isn't a celeb to me. I was just happy someone said something outside of the forum space lol
what game would that be? I just pointed out the errors in your reactions/way of thinking.
You chose to reply with some (again baseless) sort of insult and now you are suddenly not ermm "playing" my? "game"...

you had just woken up, ok, so in a state of drowsiness you did not think clear enough and made a mistake, idk what the big fuzz is about then....could have just said that from the start, maybe even an "EDIT, I made a mistake, was not entirely there mentally when typing this" in the original post.
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#195
Daven
KritThat's early to say because we don't know the actual price. Performance seems to be around RTX 5070 Ti which costs 750$.

700$ bad price
650$ nothing special
600$ good price (RX 7800 XT was 500$) There are no reason why technically RX 9070 XT should cost more than that! It has the same old cheap GDDR6 16GB and similar die size it's just overclocked much more aggressively that's it.
Don't forget the RT tax. AMD has increased RT performance which means extra R&D work and 'value'. There even could be more transistors that do RT over the 7800XT but I'm not sure about that.
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#196
freeagent
DavenDon't forget the RT tax. AMD has increased RT performance which means extra R&D work and 'value'. There even could be more transistors that do RT over the 7800XT but I'm not sure about that.
Right?

None of these guys are your buddies.

Your buddy would only borrow some money, not try and squeeze you for a months salary or more.
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#197
Bomby569
won't you please think of these poor companies
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#198
MentalAcetylide
L0stS0ulSnowden didn't want to run away to Russia but unfortunately another country doing fellate to the US government refused to grant him diplomatic asylum.
Snowden didn't have to run anywhere, least of all physically going to Russia and dumping everything in their lap. What did he think was going to happen traveling that route? The problem wasn't with what he was going to blow the whistle on, the problem was with all of the other data he had. When they do shit like this, they don't sit there for hours on end cherry picking from the databases, but instead lift as much of it as quickly as possible and then sort through it later. I'm sure there were screwed up things going on, but there has to be some discretion; especially if releasing classified information is going to get people killed. That's part of the responsibility of working in the intelligence field. You see something wrong, you don't go apeshit and try to burn the house down. Things may not move as quickly as one would like, but you won't be getting others killed in the process.
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#199
Guwapo77
Vayra86LOL WUT? Oh man you're in deep aren't you :D

Real interesting yeah, all these non gaming features we never asked for, that cause GPU pricing to increase YoY
Speak on it brother! I don't give two _______ about the AI capability on the 5090, I just need it for the 4K gaming.
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#200
razzaQ
Jack1nHe should ask russia or china to make better GPU's for him.
Is that your best answer you could come up with ? LMAO.
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