fitseries3yeah, but i think they have nvidia cornered this yea in the graphics department.

Lol, based on what? the fact that as of today ATi has one of the top 5 fastest cards around and probably in about 6 weeks time one in the top 7 fastest cards...........

HD3870x2
8800GTS G92
8800GT G92
8800 Ultra G80
8800GTX G80

Then youu go mid/lowmid and you get......

HD3850
8800GS
9600GT

where in most things most of the time the HD3850 gets beat by the other two..............

forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2154749&enterthread=y

And whats left?................................. Couple that lot with the fact that NVidia is outselling ATi 4 cards to every ATi card! Now please dont get me wrong.......the HD3870x2 is swwweeetttttt and I shall be getting one so genuinly my comments above are not fanboi......just dont quite see the logic in your statement is all :confused:

you are not thinking about the other cards ATI will be releasing this year.

4870x2
4870
4850
4650
and so on.

none of you think about the future.

fitseries3you are not thinking about the other cards ATI will be releasing this year.

4870x2
4870
4850
4650
and so on.

none of you think about the future.

I am, I just dont care to speculate which is why I didnt specifically mention the GX2............a potential A*s kicking 9800GTX, a 9800GT etc etc, dont get me wrong, I am not saying your wrong, I am saying you could well be wrong but based on the facts over the last 18 months and first half of 2008 IMO I see no reason to think the trend will change, I hope it does, I have no brand loyality, I will go for the fastest, meanest muvvaa out there whomsoever makes it (providing I dont have to sell me children for it.....wife....yes maybe :laugh:)

Meh, Dummington. 3 dies... how the hell does that one work? Really? That's gonna be pretty hard to cool. I know Intel isn't known for making flat IHS's, so they better shape that up.

Might work if it's about 25nm lol, I am sure there will be even more mainstream cooling solutions brought out just so we can spend some more to cool them.

but all of nvidias offerings this year, so far, are still based off of the G92 core and everyone thinks that it will somehow magically be 5x more powerful than the same core on say a 8800gt. it's like people are too dazed in the light of the new model numbers to actually realize that the 9 series cards are just revised 8 series G92 cards with new model numbers. sure they will be great but far from the magical ultimate dominating card that everyone thinks is comming.

i am in no way partial to either company. i just feel that ATI will surpass or at least be on a leval playing field as nvidia this year.

fitseries3but all of nvidias offerings this year, so far, are still based off of the G92 core and everyone thinks that it will somehow magically be 5x more powerful than the same core on say a 8800gt. it's like people are too dazed in the light of the new model numbers to actually realize that the 9 series cards are just revised 8 series G92 cards with new model numbers. sure they will be great but far from the magical ultimate dominating card that everyone thinks is comming.

i am in no way partial to either company. i just feel that ATI will surpass or at least be on a leval playing field as nvidia this year.

Everyone seems to say that but thats not my interpretation of it, the mid ranged 9000 series will be G92, what "facts" are available and I appreciate just like the HD4000 series that it may not pan out like this but take a look at this, then compare it with G92 and you may come to the conclusion that with double the SP's of the 8800GTS G92, double the ROP's, an extra 50% of TMU's, 55nm die shrink and a 512bit memory bus and more than double the transistors it could be a serious card, whether it turns out like that I would be the first to admit......is another matter..............

forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=20521

It's just because of this that I hate speculation, I happen to think that the top end of the HD4000 series looks very tasty but just like the link above, whether it pans like that is another matter. Ohhh and the 9800GTX is codenamed G100????

but nvidia has released the info in the cards that clearly states the magical g100 chip is nowhere to be found on any 9 series card. i do believe the hd4000 cards will be pretty good although i am still skeptical as usual. i not saying i totally disagree with you, just that most people fail to actually read the info that was provided and jump to conclusions about things.

www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-22/geforce.PNG

I'm kinda fence-posted between the two arguments - I can see where both y'all are coming from.

nVidia tend to be very vocal about any kick-ass product that is about to roll out the doors, they only tend to be more reserved when they're not entirelly sure how their new hardware will pony-up, but, on the other hand, when they know their up and coming products will keep their crown - they usually don't have a problem fielding the internet with their own benchies . . .

On the other hand, ATI tend to be very tight lipped about their kick-ass products, all the way up to release. Although the HD4000 series has been leaked, ATI still haven't officially said anything - and keeping in mind that the R700 GPU is supposed to be right around the bend (I think rumors are calling for late this year - would probably be the GPU used on the HD5000 series).

The way it's looking right now, IMO, ATI is quickly catching up to nVidia's performance level - and nVidia having been complacent up to this point haven't really gone to a lot of effort to design "new" hardware to keep their distance; which, IMO, is why it appears they're releasing a "panic" product in response to ATI's most recent offerings. They felt that they had to move forward with a new series to appear "new and up to date" but they're not really offering much over what their 8 series did. If ATI were still far behind, I'd bet that nVidia would continue the 8 series with newer models instead of going into the 9 series.

fitseries3yeah, but i think they have nvidia cornered this yea in the graphics department.

Since when did most of the people on this site turn into professional marketing analysts? Just because ATI finally has a decent product doesn't mean they suddenly dominate nVidia and have them "cornered". I'm glad ATI has a good product finally, its always better for the consumer when you have 2 competing companies. Anyway, it's very early in the year and I think its a foolish and/or wishful thinking to say that ATI will lead in GPUs the rest of the year when we don't know pricing and future products performance in months to come.

WarEagleAUNot really impressed. Those 8 cores though, that is impressive.

Id like to see Intel quit ductaping cores together and make a contiguous one.

Theres nothing stickytape cant do :D

hatMeh, Dummington. 3 dies... how the hell does that one work? Really? That's gonna be pretty hard to cool. I know Intel isn't known for making flat IHS's, so they better shape that up.

Well 45 nm has got to help the heat out alot. And don't the extremes have better hsf's? So maybe they'll include those.

kwchang007Well 45 nm has got to help the heat out alot. And don't the extremes have better hsf's? So maybe they'll include those.

who do you know that buy's a $1000 CPU and uses a stock cooler on it?

that's like washing a Ferrari with dish soap. that's just wrong. :shadedshu

Intel Leap ahead ^^

kwchang007Well 45 nm has got to help the heat out alot. And don't the extremes have better hsf's? So maybe they'll include those.

Well thats the trouble, it does not really.....why? because if you take the Yorkfield for example, with the 1333FSB the stock clocks are higher and that uses up the overclocking/heat headroom, did you know that the TDP rating of the 45nm Yorkfield quads are 95W.......thats the same as the Q6600 G0.

emm 45nm more transistors then 65nm...
95watt of heat for me is like nothing..

hatMeh, Dummington. 3 dies... how the hell does that one work? Really? That's gonna be pretty hard to cool. I know Intel isn't known for making flat IHS's, so they better shape that up.

Considering a Clovertown LV has a 50W TDP and this hexa core is basically a dieshrink of it and runs at a higher clock I see no reason why TDP should be that high.

Morgothemm 45nm more transistors then 65nm...
95watt of heat for me is like nothing..

Well it tells me that it will run as hot as a Q6600 and they get pretty warm.

hatThey didn't DEVELOP anything, they just threw more dies on a single wafer, it seems to be thier favorite thing to do.

If you say they don't develop anything, then why are they ahead of AMD?

ahead they are because cheap tricks they use, cores ducktape togather they do, faster it is, but bad design it is also, will lead to epic fail think i do..

see i hope to, burning traces on 775 boards, funny that will be, data overload.....fail epic it will be.

MagnusEgalloahead they are because cheap tricks they use, cores ducktape togather they do, faster it is, but bad design it is also, will lead to epic fail think i do..

see i hope to, burning traces on 775 boards, funny that will be, data overload.....fail epic it will be.

Well they have been around for long enuff already and still going strong so thus far..........success........epic they are!

775 wil die soon and be replaced with LGA 1366 and other 2 version of it lol

Tatty_OneWell they have been around for long enuff already and still going strong so thus far..........success........epic they are!

Yep. It's just as I keep saying. It doesn't matter how they do it, all that matters is the end result.

tiysIf you say they don't develop anything, then why are they ahead of AMD?

I know you're banned but for the sake of others...
Intel only developed the Core 2 arch cause AMD totally pwned them in the A-XP/P4 fight. So Intel is forced to develop Core 2. Since then they've just been doing die shrinks (which isn't really developing anything) and taping dies togeather on one wafer (again, no real development). What I said was for this particular case.

Wile EYep. It's just as I keep saying. It doesn't matter how they do it, all that matters is the end result.

Absolutely. If Intel came out and said dump this goo on your socket, it'll run at 6ghz, I'll do it.:toast: Goo core?