Wednesday, August 27th 2008
Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield
The transition of the K10 architecture by AMD to the 45nm silicon fabrication process is stirring up interesting revelations these days. First, it was about surprisingly low power consumption of the quad-core Phenom parts, and then about the overclocking headroom those 45nm parts provided, at least the engineering samples did so far. And now, news coming in that AMD could be resurrecting the "FX" series of extreme performance products. Over the past three or so years, the performance trail AMD products had over Intel's made it close to impossible for AMD to sell parts that provide performance tuning advantages such as unlocked FSB multiplier settings for a premium, like it did back when K8 reigned the performance segment. "Black Edition" chips made up for that deficit by providing consumers overclocking advantages while not charging a significant premium and at the same time, safeguarding the "FX" title, not letting it dilute.
Come AMD Deneb core and lot seems to be on offer. To begin with, unlike the Windsor core that had a maximum FSB multiplier of 16.0x, initial reports suggest the Deneb to sport a maximum 25.0x multiplier, 200 MHz x 25 = 5.00 GHz, with the FSB left to play with. Considering at 2.30 GHz the Deneb draws in 57.3 W (according to findings), it should still leave enough room for AMD to sell premium products clocked at high frequencies.From Reviewage's findings, there seem to be two Phenom FX processors in the making. The numbering seems to take off where it last left at the Athlon64 FX 74. The two chips, Phenom FX 80 and Phenom FX 82 could be clocked at 4.00 GHz and 4.40 GHz respectively (stock speeds). An interesting statement is that at 4.00 GHz, the Phenom FX 80 should outperform an Intel Kentsfield core clocked at 5.00 GHz, implies it has to be faster than the Kentsfield on a clock-to-clock basis. This opens up an interesting debate on how these parts compare to the succeeding Yorkfield chips. This should also open gates for several models to enter the market at various clock speeds.
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Reviewage
Come AMD Deneb core and lot seems to be on offer. To begin with, unlike the Windsor core that had a maximum FSB multiplier of 16.0x, initial reports suggest the Deneb to sport a maximum 25.0x multiplier, 200 MHz x 25 = 5.00 GHz, with the FSB left to play with. Considering at 2.30 GHz the Deneb draws in 57.3 W (according to findings), it should still leave enough room for AMD to sell premium products clocked at high frequencies.From Reviewage's findings, there seem to be two Phenom FX processors in the making. The numbering seems to take off where it last left at the Athlon64 FX 74. The two chips, Phenom FX 80 and Phenom FX 82 could be clocked at 4.00 GHz and 4.40 GHz respectively (stock speeds). An interesting statement is that at 4.00 GHz, the Phenom FX 80 should outperform an Intel Kentsfield core clocked at 5.00 GHz, implies it has to be faster than the Kentsfield on a clock-to-clock basis. This opens up an interesting debate on how these parts compare to the succeeding Yorkfield chips. This should also open gates for several models to enter the market at various clock speeds.
294 Comments on Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield
www.tek-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=4102
more transistors
more pins
65nm v 45nm*
PCIe 3.0 v 2.0
HyperTransport 3.1 v HyperTransport 1/2
uses less power to run
outputs less heat
better performance
ddr3 v ddr2
much much better platform (motherboards, chipsets & SB800 coming 1/2009)
6mb L3 cache v 0mb L3 cache
2.3GHz Deneb consumes only 57.3W v 2.3ghz phenom 120/157W (4ghz = 120w approx)
Immersion lithography
4th generation of strained-silicon
new leading edge technologies??????
used low or High-K metal gate technology
This is not the DENEB FX Series they are talking about but the 3+GHz Denebs for OEM and average users.
news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-039-s-45-Nanometer-Deneb-Core-Beats-3-2-GHz-83973.shtml
AMD's 2007 analyst day. what a change (to counter) and hopefully better to come
techreport.com/articles.x/13792/1
K10 = 2MB L3 Cache
2,4Ghz Phenom 9750 = TDP 95W
Deneb 2,3Ghz TDP ? no one know it.;)
actually nobody really knows if high k is used or not which is why i said low/high k
rev. D architecture (definitely will come earlier if they are to compete with the mighty i7) :nutkick:
news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Unleashes-Hydra-8-Core-Competition-for-Nehalems-84982.shtml
what if these are the deneb fx (keep dreaming)
AMD said they are even thinking of changing the name to k11 (which is k10/k10.5/K10.5 rev. D)
And even if 45nm do OC to 4GHz and beyond, Phenom is still slower clock for clock vs current Intel Quads. Tweaks and Die shrinks aren't going to change that fact. They need a whole new architecture to pull that off. To add to all of this, by the time Deneb releases, i7 will be out, and be even faster still.