Tuesday, February 21st 2017

AMD's Ryzen 7 1700X Glorious Benchmarks Leak; IHS, Pin Layout Photographed

Another day, another leak: the folks at XFastest have indeed been the fastest to leak images of an actual Ryzen 7 1700X processor, with pictures of the processor's IHS and pin area running rampant throughout the Internet (the Ryzen chip is located to the right in both pictures, with a sample of AMD's previous-generation FX CPUs on the left side for comparison sake).

While revealing shots may have their appeal, it's the benchmarking portion that most of us are expectant about. Until actual reviews are out, we're left nothing more than these leaks (which should be taken with appropriate amounts of salt). In this case, benchmarks of AMD's upcoming Ryzen 7 1700X have been released, showing just how the upcoming CPU delivers in 3D Mark Fire Strike, CPU Mark and Cinebench R15.
Let's take it from the top: on Fire Strike's Physics test, the Ryzen 7 1700X scores a grand total of 17,916 points. CPU-Z screenshots running alongside the completed benchmark show us a 3.89 GHz clockspeed (up 400 MHz from the chip's base speed, at 3.4 GHz). The multiplier is set at 39x (4 units higher than the base 35x), though for now it is unclear if this was done through manual overclocking (remember, all Ryzen CPUs will come multiplier unlocked,) or through the chip's own XFR automated overclocking.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that this is XFR working as it should - remember, rated XFR speeds for the Ryzen 7 1700X are of 3.8+ GHz, meaning it can hit the mentioned 3.89 GHz by itself, provided sufficient cooling is at hand. CPU voltage in this test appears at 0.672 V. In this test, like in all others from this leak, the CPU was running with 16 GB of DDR4 memory running at 2132 MHz frequency.
Moving on to the CPU Mark portion of the leaked benchmarks, we see a couple differences from the Fire Strike test. For one, the CPU clockspeed as reported by CPU-Z fell by 400MHz towards 3.49 GHz, with the multiplier taking a proportionate hit (35x). The voltage has also gone down though, from the previous 0.672 V to a more conservative 0.536 V - another circumstantial piece of evidence that we are looking at XFR toying with voltage and multiplier values. On this test, the 1700X scores 583 points.
Now on to one of the kings on multi-threaded and single-threaded benchmarking: Cinebench R15. Here, the 1700X is shown as achieving 1537 points on the multi-threaded test, and 154 points on the single-threaded one. It is worth noting that Cinebench R15 reports the 1700X's base clock speed of 3.40 GHz, while again CPU-Z reports 3.49 GHz with a 0.672 V.
Let me just take a slight tangent here whilst saying that this variation in clockspeeds and voltages is probably revealing of the leak's source screenshotting results after different time intervals have elapsed since a given test's completion. Soon enough for the clockspeeds to remain at the XFR frequency (Fire Strike's 3.89 GHz); when both clockspeed and voltage have already decreased (CPU Mark); and when the boost clocks decrease but voltage lingers (Cinebench R15).

Let's just take a little more critical approach regarding these Cinebench results; compare the 1700X's scores with these, taken from Anandtech:
Some comments: AMD's 1700X achieves virtually identical scores to Intel's 6900K CPU on both tests (loses slightly on the multi-threaded test, but eeks out a win on the single-threaded one) once you take variabilty into account. We also can't forget how the test systems differ in terms of memory specs and all those other small things, which still end up affecting the final score. Whether you think this variability favors AMD's 1700X or Intel's 6900K in this particular scenario, there is one thing variability can't account for: the 55 W difference between rated TDP on AMD's 1700X (95 W) and Intel's 6900K (140 W).

Another thing that can't (apparently) be denied is the enormous leap in performance compared to AMD's now defunct Bulldozer architecture (and later refinements). The 1700X at 95 W TDP scores the vaunted 40% more in the single-threaded test than AMD's FX 9590 running at 5 GHz and at 220 W (!!) TDP, with 154 points against the FX 9590's tiny 110. This, allied to the 1700X's use of SMT with its 16 logical threads, also helps put into perspective how AMD managed to achieve a 111% boost in the multi-threaded score compared to the FX 9590 (1537 on the 1700X, 728 on the FX 9590). And this happens, again, despite the 9590 running at 4.7 GHz base and 5 GHz boost, whilst having a TDP rated at 125W more than the 1700X. You don't have to ask me for evidence. Look here:
However one cuts this, these leaks (assuming they're remotely accurate) truly bring to light the enormous engineering challenge AMD had to surpass on its way to Ryzen: the enormity of the task for Jim Keller and company in bringing a competitive, efficient architecture to market despite AMD's inherent difficulties in funding, manufacturing... And on and on. That they managed to engineer an architecture such as this, which apparently gives Intel a run for its money even on the efficiency metrics, is nothing short of extraordinary. Add to that the potential for a many-core democratization even on the entry-level, and we could also see an important push towards more parallelized applications, taking advantage of 4-core solutions at the entry level, finally doing away with the overreaching dual core, four-thread CPUs that have more than outstayed their welcome.Source: Anandtech
Source: XFastest
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115 Comments on AMD's Ryzen 7 1700X Glorious Benchmarks Leak; IHS, Pin Layout Photographed

#51
Lionheart
Manu_PTYou should read everything on the source link. Maybe you could avoid being silly.
You should really use your brain & think about what AMD's trying to do. They created Mantle which then evolved into Vulkan & DX12 API's too better utilize CPU cores & their GPU's via Async Compute. Look at the rumored prices of Ryzen CPU's, they clearly want the 8 core 16 thread CPU's to become the standard over time just like Intel quad cores have for the past 6 years & IMO 6 years way too long. The single thread performance is clearly up to par with Intel's offerings, not the highest but still very competitive as well as the multi thread performance assuming these leaks are accurate.
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#52
laszlo
if numbers are true the new&future amd cpu's will be quite good and will help also intel fanboys to buy their stuff at lower prices

the best thing is that we'll have again competition and reasonable prices; what do we need more?

personally i won't upgrade cpu as i still can use it for a while...maybe will buy a used one sometime..when prices will be half of today's one... 1st in my mind is the wallet not the e-peen
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#53
YautjaLord
All the graphs show Intel only CPUs, dafak? :) BTW: best single-core raper (& notoious one at that) is Prime95. Atleast for me. Not that I won't DL Cinebench, I'd actually would. Cheers.
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#54
notb
I almost got the i7-6700/7700 in early January, but then all these rumors came out suggesting that Ryzen will offer the same for half the price. I'd have to choose so many parts once again...
I feel very relieved ( :P ) seeing that the top of the range 7 1700X is somehow behind consumer Skylake CPUs, because actually I was thinking about the slower 65W models (1700 or 1500).

That said, it's impressive that they've packed 8 HT cores in such a small and cheap CPU. It obviously gives impressive multi-core results and while most users will never utilize this potential, the numbers are very nice. :)
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#55
medi01
Hype train just got faster:

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#56
Manu_PT
LionheartYou should really use your brain & think about what AMD's trying to do. They created Mantle which then evolved into Vulkan & DX12 API's too better utilize CPU cores & their GPU's via Async Compute. Look at the rumored prices of Ryzen CPU's, they clearly want the 8 core 16 thread CPU's to become the standard over time just like Intel quad cores have for the past 6 years & IMO 6 years way too long. The single thread performance is clearly up to par with Intel's offerings, not the highest but still very competitive as well as the multi thread performance assuming these leaks are accurate.
You should use yours instead and understand that I don´t care about multi thread performance or about the best price vs performance ratio cpu. I want the absolute best performance per clock CPU. 7700k clocks at 4,8ghz easily (won´t even mention the number of samples at 5ghz wich are a lot anyway) with 4000mhz DDR4 ram. Can Ryzen surprass this kind of performance? Most likely it can´t, so I don´t care if it has 16 threads. I only play games and 4 cores + 4 logical wich stunning clock performance are good to me.

The fact here is that for GAMING:

Ryzen will be worse than Intel comparing both at stock clocks.
Ryzen will be worse than Intel comparing both at max CPU + RAM overclock.

If your concern is price vs performance ratio or Multi-Threaded operations on your computer, be happy, but don´t try to convince others that they need it too. We´re all different.
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#58
alucasa
NdMk2o1oLot of new members talking shit and coming across as butthurt on ALL Ryzen threads, think they anticipate the onslaught that's coming, happy days :D
Me will just echo this.
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#59
deu
So many people here somehow think that ryzen will be worse for gaming. :D Sure if we talk about CSGO FPS in 2017 at +1300 FPS ye you'll get some principal win having better singlethreaded performance. But the thing is; new games are not made for the CPUs but the GFXes; im pretty sure ryzen vs. 6700K will be 1:1 when it comes to FPS in games UNLESS the game either is HEAVILY coded for single-core(6700K wins or multicores(Ryzen wins). So in other words; If you are buying a computer to play older games and NOT newer titles; go with singlethreaded performance; if you are planning on playing new games the comming years (2017-2019) Go with a multithreaded performer because if you think that technology will not find its way you are a dinosaur in the field.
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#60
medi01
Manu_PTI only play games and 4 cores + 4 logical wich stunning clock performance are good to me.
Games are already using more than 4 cores: Overwatch, Battlefield 1, Assasin's Creed, Cities: Skyline, Ashes of Singularity, Star Ruler 2.

But Intel approves your approach.
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#61
ADHDGAMING
All that space left for more Pins .. i wonder if AM4+ will simply add more pins
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#62
GoFigureItOut
Did AMD make a mistake going with PGA? Some CPU enthusiast believe AMD should have opted for LGA

Is it true? Or is it just preference?
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#63
TheLaughingMan
GoFigureItOutDid AMD make a mistake going with PGA? Some CPU enthusiast believe AMD should have opted for LGA

Is it true? Or is it just preference?
I think it was a cost cutting measure. I recall reading somewhere that using LGA will increase the cost of a motherboard by at least $20 for the end user across the board. I don't recall the source so take that with a cup of salt.
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#64
TheGuruStud
TheLaughingManI think it was a cost cutting measure. I recall reading somewhere that using LGA will increase the cost of a motherboard by at least $20 for the end user across the board. I don't recall the source so take that with a cup of salt.
I'm not sure of cost increase, but that's what I read, too. Intel decides to save some money and stick on the consumer even more.
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#65
Manu_PT
medi01Games are already using more than 4 cores: Overwatch, Battlefield 1, Assasin's Creed, Cities: Skyline, Ashes of Singularity, Star Ruler 2.

But Intel approves your approach.
Sure. That´s why 7700k at 4,8ghz stinks on 6800k on all those games.

btw, Ryzen can reach 5ghz....... with LN2:

Maxium air overclock between the 2 chips will dictate the winner for gaming. Not threads, and so far all we know is that Ryzen can´t reach kabylake clocks on air, only LN2.

Suddenly everyone needs threads when before "i5 was enough for everyone" :D Oh I love the fanboys that need to justify their phurcases or favourite brands :D
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#66
kruk
Manu_PTOh I love the fanboys that need to justify their phurcases or favourite brands :D
So what exactly have you been doing this whole thread if not justifying your Intel choice? :p
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#67
Manu_PT
No, i´m debunking everything and making claims backed up by facts: Ryzen ships with lower clock than Intel, Ryzen only reaches Intel clocks with LN2, games prefer higher/faster clock 4+4 instead of lower/slower clock 8+8.

Wait some days for some real game benchmarks and we will see if "I´m justifying" anything or just quoting facts.
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#68
R0H1T
Manu_PTNo, i´m debunking everything and making claims backed up by facts: Ryzen ships with lower clock than Intel, Ryzen only reaches Intel clocks with LN2, games prefer higher/faster clock 4+4 instead of lower/slower clock 8+8.

Wait some days for some real game benchmarks and we will see if "I´m justifying" anything or just quoting facts.
You're not quoting facts, alternate facts o_O
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#69
Leslie Satenstein
DIrect comparison (mips * clock frequency) is not a true measure.

For example, multiply/divide of two integers may take 20+ clock ticks with Intel, and because of design improvements, the same operation on the Ryzen may only require 16+ clock ticks.

How to explain the difference? Consider parallel operations within the chip. But to achieve more parallelism, you need to allocate more logic to the multiplier/divider circuitry. And that is probably what has happened. (Smaller circuit sizes allows more logic space available within the CPU die)

Go through all the instructions that can be optimized by smarter circuitry, and you have the explanation why the AMD chips are more performing.

I am willing to bet that chip for chip, the AMD has many more transistors and gates for logic to support parallel sub-instruction processing. More parallelism used to support fewer clock-ticks.

Instructions within a CPU are also within a pipeline queue. I do not know the chip internals, but there may be up to 10+ instructions in the input queue that are at various stages of being decoded. The queue is flushed if an interrupt instruction is received.

Taken all together, fewer clock ticks to decode an instruction, perhaps saving some of the queue contents during an interrupt may be the major reason the AMD chips are faster, even with slower clock frequencies.
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#70
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
I am pretty impressed with the scores they showed at the AMD even. 1612 in cinebench with the stock 1800X, even with a toasty overclock that is a good jump ahead of my 6850K. These numbers keep looking good. Albeit all of the test systems AMD showed seemed to be really pushing the more cores is better mentality and look at this multithreading so color me nervously optimistic.

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#71
Pure Wop
theeldestI get 3347 in Cinebench on my work system. (2133 mem). That 1500 looks pretty good.

My work system with dual ES E5 V4 scores 3482 and runs around 3.6x as fast as my 6700k entertainment system in some of my programming loads. With each at the price of a Ryzen 5, the ES Xeons look not too bad in value. :)

On the other hand, my 6700k does seem obsolete now. Maybe time to get the system RYZEN.
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#72
Manu_PT
R0H1TYou're not quoting facts, alternate facts o_O
I´m quoting facts, you´re quoting an overclock on LN2 wich is what I mentioned in the first place. That Ryzen can only achieve 7700k clocks with those super high voltages.
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#73
R0H1T
Manu_PTI´m quoting facts, you´re quoting an overclock on LN2 wich is what I mentioned in the first place. That Ryzen can only achieve 7700k clocks with those super high voltages.
You're not quoting any facts, unless you're claiming 7700K can do ~5.2 GHz easily. Then there's the 4 vs 8 core thing you must've overlooked, or that the octa core R7 are listed at 95W TDP?
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#74
de.das.dude
Pro Indian Modder
Well its settled now. Intel is shuddering in fear, and their fanboys are rolling in denial.

AMD has pulled an athlon off once again.

I dont really care if AMD isnt significantly faster than intels offering.
AMD is beating intel, at a much lower price. and they are on par in single threaded. So its all good.
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#75
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
If the non XFR 1700 Model is multi unlocked I will give it a shot at some Air OC
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