Tuesday, February 21st 2017
AMD's Ryzen 7 1700X Glorious Benchmarks Leak; IHS, Pin Layout Photographed
Another day, another leak: the folks at XFastest have indeed been the fastest to leak images of an actual Ryzen 7 1700X processor, with pictures of the processor's IHS and pin area running rampant throughout the Internet (the Ryzen chip is located to the right in both pictures, with a sample of AMD's previous-generation FX CPUs on the left side for comparison sake).
While revealing shots may have their appeal, it's the benchmarking portion that most of us are expectant about. Until actual reviews are out, we're left nothing more than these leaks (which should be taken with appropriate amounts of salt). In this case, benchmarks of AMD's upcoming Ryzen 7 1700X have been released, showing just how the upcoming CPU delivers in 3D Mark Fire Strike, CPU Mark and Cinebench R15.Let's take it from the top: on Fire Strike's Physics test, the Ryzen 7 1700X scores a grand total of 17,916 points. CPU-Z screenshots running alongside the completed benchmark show us a 3.89 GHz clockspeed (up 400 MHz from the chip's base speed, at 3.4 GHz). The multiplier is set at 39x (4 units higher than the base 35x), though for now it is unclear if this was done through manual overclocking (remember, all Ryzen CPUs will come multiplier unlocked,) or through the chip's own XFR automated overclocking.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that this is XFR working as it should - remember, rated XFR speeds for the Ryzen 7 1700X are of 3.8+ GHz, meaning it can hit the mentioned 3.89 GHz by itself, provided sufficient cooling is at hand. CPU voltage in this test appears at 0.672 V. In this test, like in all others from this leak, the CPU was running with 16 GB of DDR4 memory running at 2132 MHz frequency.Moving on to the CPU Mark portion of the leaked benchmarks, we see a couple differences from the Fire Strike test. For one, the CPU clockspeed as reported by CPU-Z fell by 400MHz towards 3.49 GHz, with the multiplier taking a proportionate hit (35x). The voltage has also gone down though, from the previous 0.672 V to a more conservative 0.536 V - another circumstantial piece of evidence that we are looking at XFR toying with voltage and multiplier values. On this test, the 1700X scores 583 points.Now on to one of the kings on multi-threaded and single-threaded benchmarking: Cinebench R15. Here, the 1700X is shown as achieving 1537 points on the multi-threaded test, and 154 points on the single-threaded one. It is worth noting that Cinebench R15 reports the 1700X's base clock speed of 3.40 GHz, while again CPU-Z reports 3.49 GHz with a 0.672 V.Let me just take a slight tangent here whilst saying that this variation in clockspeeds and voltages is probably revealing of the leak's source screenshotting results after different time intervals have elapsed since a given test's completion. Soon enough for the clockspeeds to remain at the XFR frequency (Fire Strike's 3.89 GHz); when both clockspeed and voltage have already decreased (CPU Mark); and when the boost clocks decrease but voltage lingers (Cinebench R15).
Let's just take a little more critical approach regarding these Cinebench results; compare the 1700X's scores with these, taken from Anandtech:Some comments: AMD's 1700X achieves virtually identical scores to Intel's 6900K CPU on both tests (loses slightly on the multi-threaded test, but eeks out a win on the single-threaded one) once you take variabilty into account. We also can't forget how the test systems differ in terms of memory specs and all those other small things, which still end up affecting the final score. Whether you think this variability favors AMD's 1700X or Intel's 6900K in this particular scenario, there is one thing variability can't account for: the 55 W difference between rated TDP on AMD's 1700X (95 W) and Intel's 6900K (140 W).
Another thing that can't (apparently) be denied is the enormous leap in performance compared to AMD's now defunct Bulldozer architecture (and later refinements). The 1700X at 95 W TDP scores the vaunted 40% more in the single-threaded test than AMD's FX 9590 running at 5 GHz and at 220 W (!!) TDP, with 154 points against the FX 9590's tiny 110. This, allied to the 1700X's use of SMT with its 16 logical threads, also helps put into perspective how AMD managed to achieve a 111% boost in the multi-threaded score compared to the FX 9590 (1537 on the 1700X, 728 on the FX 9590). And this happens, again, despite the 9590 running at 4.7 GHz base and 5 GHz boost, whilst having a TDP rated at 125W more than the 1700X. You don't have to ask me for evidence. Look here:However one cuts this, these leaks (assuming they're remotely accurate) truly bring to light the enormous engineering challenge AMD had to surpass on its way to Ryzen: the enormity of the task for Jim Keller and company in bringing a competitive, efficient architecture to market despite AMD's inherent difficulties in funding, manufacturing... And on and on. That they managed to engineer an architecture such as this, which apparently gives Intel a run for its money even on the efficiency metrics, is nothing short of extraordinary. Add to that the potential for a many-core democratization even on the entry-level, and we could also see an important push towards more parallelized applications, taking advantage of 4-core solutions at the entry level, finally doing away with the overreaching dual core, four-thread CPUs that have more than outstayed their welcome.Source: Anandtech
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While revealing shots may have their appeal, it's the benchmarking portion that most of us are expectant about. Until actual reviews are out, we're left nothing more than these leaks (which should be taken with appropriate amounts of salt). In this case, benchmarks of AMD's upcoming Ryzen 7 1700X have been released, showing just how the upcoming CPU delivers in 3D Mark Fire Strike, CPU Mark and Cinebench R15.Let's take it from the top: on Fire Strike's Physics test, the Ryzen 7 1700X scores a grand total of 17,916 points. CPU-Z screenshots running alongside the completed benchmark show us a 3.89 GHz clockspeed (up 400 MHz from the chip's base speed, at 3.4 GHz). The multiplier is set at 39x (4 units higher than the base 35x), though for now it is unclear if this was done through manual overclocking (remember, all Ryzen CPUs will come multiplier unlocked,) or through the chip's own XFR automated overclocking.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that this is XFR working as it should - remember, rated XFR speeds for the Ryzen 7 1700X are of 3.8+ GHz, meaning it can hit the mentioned 3.89 GHz by itself, provided sufficient cooling is at hand. CPU voltage in this test appears at 0.672 V. In this test, like in all others from this leak, the CPU was running with 16 GB of DDR4 memory running at 2132 MHz frequency.Moving on to the CPU Mark portion of the leaked benchmarks, we see a couple differences from the Fire Strike test. For one, the CPU clockspeed as reported by CPU-Z fell by 400MHz towards 3.49 GHz, with the multiplier taking a proportionate hit (35x). The voltage has also gone down though, from the previous 0.672 V to a more conservative 0.536 V - another circumstantial piece of evidence that we are looking at XFR toying with voltage and multiplier values. On this test, the 1700X scores 583 points.Now on to one of the kings on multi-threaded and single-threaded benchmarking: Cinebench R15. Here, the 1700X is shown as achieving 1537 points on the multi-threaded test, and 154 points on the single-threaded one. It is worth noting that Cinebench R15 reports the 1700X's base clock speed of 3.40 GHz, while again CPU-Z reports 3.49 GHz with a 0.672 V.Let me just take a slight tangent here whilst saying that this variation in clockspeeds and voltages is probably revealing of the leak's source screenshotting results after different time intervals have elapsed since a given test's completion. Soon enough for the clockspeeds to remain at the XFR frequency (Fire Strike's 3.89 GHz); when both clockspeed and voltage have already decreased (CPU Mark); and when the boost clocks decrease but voltage lingers (Cinebench R15).
Let's just take a little more critical approach regarding these Cinebench results; compare the 1700X's scores with these, taken from Anandtech:Some comments: AMD's 1700X achieves virtually identical scores to Intel's 6900K CPU on both tests (loses slightly on the multi-threaded test, but eeks out a win on the single-threaded one) once you take variabilty into account. We also can't forget how the test systems differ in terms of memory specs and all those other small things, which still end up affecting the final score. Whether you think this variability favors AMD's 1700X or Intel's 6900K in this particular scenario, there is one thing variability can't account for: the 55 W difference between rated TDP on AMD's 1700X (95 W) and Intel's 6900K (140 W).
Another thing that can't (apparently) be denied is the enormous leap in performance compared to AMD's now defunct Bulldozer architecture (and later refinements). The 1700X at 95 W TDP scores the vaunted 40% more in the single-threaded test than AMD's FX 9590 running at 5 GHz and at 220 W (!!) TDP, with 154 points against the FX 9590's tiny 110. This, allied to the 1700X's use of SMT with its 16 logical threads, also helps put into perspective how AMD managed to achieve a 111% boost in the multi-threaded score compared to the FX 9590 (1537 on the 1700X, 728 on the FX 9590). And this happens, again, despite the 9590 running at 4.7 GHz base and 5 GHz boost, whilst having a TDP rated at 125W more than the 1700X. You don't have to ask me for evidence. Look here:However one cuts this, these leaks (assuming they're remotely accurate) truly bring to light the enormous engineering challenge AMD had to surpass on its way to Ryzen: the enormity of the task for Jim Keller and company in bringing a competitive, efficient architecture to market despite AMD's inherent difficulties in funding, manufacturing... And on and on. That they managed to engineer an architecture such as this, which apparently gives Intel a run for its money even on the efficiency metrics, is nothing short of extraordinary. Add to that the potential for a many-core democratization even on the entry-level, and we could also see an important push towards more parallelized applications, taking advantage of 4-core solutions at the entry level, finally doing away with the overreaching dual core, four-thread CPUs that have more than outstayed their welcome.Source: Anandtech
115 Comments on AMD's Ryzen 7 1700X Glorious Benchmarks Leak; IHS, Pin Layout Photographed
IPC is the most important thing in games, just because Battlefield 1 and GTA V or some really bad Watch Dogs Ubicrap port use threads, doesn´t mean every game do it. Most of them don´t use a lot of threads but they are IPC hungry. That´s why each 200mhz overclock on your chip gives huge increase on FPS.
Close enough tho for AMD, gaming wise. And a win win on multi thread operations (editing/creating/enterprise/professional). As I´m a gamer I will stick to Intel.
So it's very much a 'wait and see'.
5960x vs 6700k.the 6700k has far better single thread performance isn't? in all games i was checked there is absolutely no one game older or new between those cpus 6700k and 5960x and say that the one performs better than the other,not only that and if you carefully look the benchmarks you'll see that the 5960x has better minimum frames and that is the most important in pc gaming.Anyway if you think that the new cpus like R7 1700x will have the same performance like i7 4770k or 4790k then you are completely wrong.In games like gta v witcher 3 watch dogs 2 battlefield1 the R7 1700X will be far far ahead.But let's wait and see real time results.Don't worry these new chips will be great for everything.4 cores will be useless from now on,very soon
Everyone is so intent on comparing these results with Intel CPUs and saying "still not enough IPC"
But has anyone really compared just how much of an improvement the 1700X is over the previous generation FX CPUs
I own an FX-8320 that scores 88 and 564 for single and multi-thread with the cpu locked @3.5 Ghz compared to the 1700X's 154 and 1537 at the same 3.5 Ghz.
That's a 75% and 172.5% improvement over the Vishera (Piledriver) at the same clock speeds.
Even when compared to my overclocked results @4.7 Ghz of 112 and 701 it still is 37.5% and 119.25% faster than an 8320 with a 34% faster clock.
To me that's impressive, especially if the Ryzen X series overclock nearly as well as the FX's do.
The problem with the FX line is that is old, and there was no new architecture from AMD in the high end until now.
Don´t forget also the massive Ram speeds you can get with kabylake wich give huge performance boost. Curious to see if AMD can reach 4000mhz on the ram and 4,8ghz on the cpu clock that easy...
IPC proxies which you can calculate from here are based on assumptions, not actual data.
Let me explain: Nobody knows at what "actual" clocks the Ryzen chip was running during the single-thread Cinebench run. Same goes for the Intel chips, among which it seems 6900K is the fitting contender for 1700X (8-core to 8-core).
Further, 1700X score of 154 was with a 2133MHz memory speed, while 6900K score of 153 was with 2400MHz (incidentally at same timings). Nobody knows if/how 1700X score would be impacted if it was run with a 2400Mhz memory.
Still, for the fun of it, let's do some calculations:
Anandtech disabled Turbo 3.0, so it is I suppose safe to assume that 6900K was running at its normal normal Turbo speed of 3.7GHz. So, per GHz, Broadwell did 153/3.7 = 41.3514
Even though we do not know, let's assume 1700X was working at its normal Turbo speed of 3.8GHz. So, per GHz, Ryzen did 154/3.8 = 40.5263
This means, relative to Broadwell, coupled with a slower memory, Ryzen single-thread CB15 performance at same clocks (again, not sure) is 98%.
Furthermore, do I have to remind everyone that this is a single-chip to single-chip comparison and with such small samples, 2% deviation could happen even if you used the same friggin chip on two different days???
From this limited data, anyone with a little sense would not find any reason to deny that Ryzen is equivalent to Broadwell in IPC performance.
Even when you compare the 1700X with the top 4-core Kaby Lake part (7700K, with 42.8889 per GHz score), you get 94.45% performance.
So you basically have an architecture that provides performance within 5% of the current top dog, hitting incredible price/performance and watt/performance levels, and you're not happy?