Th3pwn3rThe lie exists in the sense that they said they purposely delayed launch to produce enough stock for demand. That's one, the other is in pricing.

Not really just because they did delay with that reason in mind doesn't mean they were able to fulfill it if the demand exceeded the supply in relation to what they were expecting and you can't just delay indefinitely time is of the essence.

evernessinceHmm... Why does this read like propaganda

oh wait

"I'm glad that I prefer Nvidia"

Just stop, less you forget that Nvidia did the same thing with "Founders Edition" cards.

Well, at least we all now know that FE cards are basically the bottom of the barrel. It's similar to EVGA and their SC and SSC cards, just marketing schemes that work on some people.

RaevenlordAs a footnote to its story, DigiTimes is also reporting that according to industry sources, NVIDIA has, in light of RX Vega's performance, decided to postpone the launch of Volta-based GPUs towards the first quarter of 2018.

Sorry, but allow me to take this with some grains of salt. I'm willing to bet that in October/November nVidia will launch it's new generation of cards, just because. ;)

if you take a few second and google it, you can easy found "the launch of Volta-based GPUs towards the first quarter of 2018"

and we will see many issues get Volta then they go for new DDR6 rams :-)

Prima.VeraSorry, but allow me to take this with some grains of salt. I'm willing to bet that in October/November nVidia will launch it's new generation of cards, just because. ;)

Has there been any solid indications on consumer Volta being launched this year? All the material I've seen have said 2018.

HoodI don't recall any other company that gets a pass for this kind of behavior, and I'm not inclined to give them benefit of doubt at this point. I don't like the way they play with people's heads, people who have been loyal to them and supported them wholly. They cash in on that loyalty shamelessly and without remorse, in pursuit of the almighty dollar, and forget that customer loyalty is their greatest asset right now, and how fleeting it can be.

You must be joking , right ?

AMD is slaughter by the press right now on Vega (in an unprofessional and ignorant way but that's another subject) , they sure as hell didn't get a pass.

You want to talk about companies that got a pass for this kind of behavior ? Let's see , how about Nvidia with the artificially inflated prices of their 1000 series with the Founders Edition price scheme ? For months the "non-FE MSRP" was no where to be seen and keep in mind there was no supply and demand issues and no mining craze at the time. The press hardly paid any attention to this , reviewers made no overly dramatic videos about how they are so mad and disappointed at Nvidia for not sticking entirely with the originally announced prices.

Allow me to conclude that this whole thing reeks of double standards and for that reason I couldn't care less what AMD did or what the press or anyone else says for that matter. It's all biased crap and no one should pay any attention to it.

Vya DomusYou must be joking , right ?

AMD is slaughter by the press right now on Vega (in an unprofessional and ignorant way but that's another subject) , they sure as hell didn't get a pass.

You want to talk about companies that got a pass for this kind of behavior ? Let's see , how about Nvidia with the artificially inflated prices of their 1000 series with the Founders Edition price scheme ? For months the "non-FE MSRP" was no where to be seen and keep in mind there was no supply and demand issues and no mining craze at the time. The press hardly paid any attention to this , reviewers made no overly dramatic videos about how they are so mad and disappointed at Nvidia for not sticking entirely with the originally announced prices.

Allow me to conclude that this whole thing reeks of double standards and for that reason I couldn't care less what AMD did or what the press or anyone else says for that matter. It's all biased crap and no one should pay any attention to it.

well the 1070FE priced at 450usd still beat AMD 650usd fury X so no one was complaining, and the FE actually sold and reviewed at Nvidia promised price. In actuality i have seen cheaper AIB model sold at msrp+50usd which is still 50usd less than FE card

Prima.VeraSorry, but allow me to take this with some grains of salt. I'm willing to bet that in October/November nVidia will launch it's new generation of cards, just because. ;)

GV100 is the only Volta in 2017:

Jen-Hsun HuangVolta for gaming, we haven't announced anything. And all I can say is that our pipeline is filled with some exciting new toys for the gamers, and we have some really exciting new technology to offer them in the pipeline. But for the holiday season for the foreseeable future, I think Pascal is just unbeatable. It's just the best thing out there. And everybody who's looking forward to playing Call of Duty or Destiny 2, if they don't already have one, should run out and get themselves a Pascal.

seekingalpha.com/article/4097782-nvidia-nvda-q2-2018-results-earnings-call-transcript

Vya DomusYou must be joking , right ?

AMD is slaughter by the press right now on Vega (in an unprofessional and ignorant way but that's another subject) , they sure as hell didn't get a pass.

I was referring to the pass they get from their fan base in this forum, and right here in this thread. Endless excuses for AMD's shady behavior...

"You want to talk about companies that got a pass for this kind of behavior ? Let's see , how about Nvidia with the artificially inflated prices of their 1000 series with the Founders Edition price scheme ? For months the "non-FE MSRP" was no where to be seen and keep in mind there was no supply and demand issues and no mining craze at the time. The press hardly paid any attention to this , reviewers made no overly dramatic videos about how they are so mad and disappointed at Nvidia for not sticking entirely with the originally announced prices"
What are you even talking about? - nobody was mad, because Nvidia did nothing wrong, and certainly didn't lie about anything. I don't remember any serious bitching, only you, just now,

"Allow me to conclude that this whole thing reeks of double standards and for that reason I couldn't care less what AMD did or what the press or anyone else says for that matter. It's all biased crap and no one should pay any attention to it."
Biased how? And your above statement "reeks" of AMD bias - you just gave them a pass on their shady behavior, and exhorted the entire world to also give them a pass. An unbiased opinion would hold all companies to the same standard, something which you seem unable to do.

HoodNvidia did nothing wrong, and certainly didn't lie about anything.

HoodI'm glad that I prefer Nvidia

HoodBiased how?

:roll:

Thanks for backing up my point.

HoodI was referring to the pass they get from their fan base in this forum, and right here in this thread. Endless excuses for AMD's shady behavior...

"You want to talk about companies that got a pass for this kind of behavior ? Let's see , how about Nvidia with the artificially inflated prices of their 1000 series with the Founders Edition price scheme ? For months the "non-FE MSRP" was no where to be seen and keep in mind there was no supply and demand issues and no mining craze at the time. The press hardly paid any attention to this , reviewers made no overly dramatic videos about how they are so mad and disappointed at Nvidia for not sticking entirely with the originally announced prices"
What are you even talking about? - nobody was mad, because Nvidia did nothing wrong, and certainly didn't lie about anything. I don't remember any serious bitching, only you, just now,

"Allow me to conclude that this whole thing reeks of double standards and for that reason I couldn't care less what AMD did or what the press or anyone else says for that matter. It's all biased crap and no one should pay any attention to it."
Biased how? And your above statement "reeks" of AMD bias - you just gave them a pass on their shady behavior, and exhorted the entire world to also give them a pass. An unbiased opinion would hold all companies to the same standard, something which you seem unable to do.

I'm sorry but the MSRP weirdness of Vega is on the exact same level as the FE weirdness, except with the FE everyone saw it coming and Nvidia spinned it well; while with Vega AMD is trying to hide the fact afterwards and lost the opportunity to spin it well. Kinda the story of NV and AMDs life really. They both do underhand moves, but Nvidia sells them and AMD doesn't manage to do that, or it backfires on them.

In the end it makes no difference, in both cases it was blatantly obvious, and in both cases its a form of price inflation.

Vya Domus:roll:

Thanks for backing up my point.

Yeah, thanks for quoting my post out of context - more tactics like AMD uses - now I see why you like them so much, you're just like them, lots of excuses, bad performance, and all your arguments are word games instead of facts.

My arguments don't contain facts ? :roll:

Here I'll quote myself :

Vya DomusLet's see , how about Nvidia with the artificially inflated prices of their 1000 series with the Founders Edition price scheme ? For months the "non-FE MSRP" was no where to be seen and keep in mind there was no supply and demand issues and no mining craze at the time. The press hardly paid any attention to this , reviewers made no overly dramatic videos about how they are so mad and disappointed at Nvidia for not sticking entirely with the originally announced prices.

You completely ignored this portion of my comment saying that "you don't know what I am talking about" but somehow you knew that "Nvidia did nothing wrong" :laugh:. You did know what I was talking about , it was written in front of your eyes. You just simply chose to remain oblivious in a terrible attempt to disprove my points. A cheap tactic that I have seen many times.

Bottom of the line is I made it fairly evident that you are as biased as one can be and nothing will ever seem like a proper argument to you.

Anyway , I'm done on this discussion with you.

the54thvoidNo doubts the 56 is the better option. The 64 seems like a knackered warhorse pushed to its last breath.

Oh God! I sprayed coffee through my nose when I read that! LOL!

I have to say that I'm happy with the deals that I got on my GTX series GPUs. (two 1080FE cards, two 1070 Gaming G-1 cards, and three 980Ti cards)
They all perform well and I can wait to see if AMD ever gets their GPU act together in the future.

They were able to do it with Ryzen and ThreadRipper, so maybe it will work out with their GPUs too.
Intel was caught resting on their laurels, but I don't think that it will happen that way with NVIDIA. I think that they're lying low in the weeds, waiting for some competition from AMD, and then they'll strike. :nutkick:

I also have to say that I had two RX480s and two RX580s here for a while. They worked well but were out-performed by my GTX counterparts.
I probably would have continued to use them, but someone made me an offer for all four of them that I couldn't resist. I shipped them out the next day. LOL!

Vayra86I'm sorry but the MSRP weirdness of Vega is on the exact same level as the FE weirdness, except with the FE everyone saw it coming and Nvidia spinned it well; while with Vega AMD is trying to hide the fact afterwards and lost the opportunity to spin it well. Kinda the story of NV and AMDs life really. They both do underhand moves, but Nvidia sells them and AMD doesn't manage to do that, or it backfires on them.

In the end it makes no difference, in both cases it was blatantly obvious, and in both cases its a form of price inflation.

The other big difference is that nVidia showed up on time with product that surpassed what was out at the time. So when shady stuff is going down, nVidia is still at the end of the day delivering superior product. Meanwhile, AMD is a year late and pricing higher than the superior product from months (1080 Ti) or a year (1080 and below) ago. AND STILL DOING SHADY STUFF OF THEIR OWN.

Plus, the fact that AMD must have laid off their marketing/PR team when they did all the massive layoffs really hurts them. They are NOT good at spinning their BS.

Accept it. nVidia and AMD are just as bad as one another at doing BS, but nVidia's far better at providing explanations that people accept for that BS and far better at delivering actual product on time, which mostly explains why the vast majority of consumers accept their product.

Hey, AMD. Try delivering your equivalent GPU within the same QUARTER, let alone year, as your competition next time.

Prima.VeraSorry, but allow me to take this with some grains of salt. I'm willing to bet that in October/November nVidia will launch it's new generation of cards, just because. ;)

It is a possibility, but IMO a small one. As I discussed in my previous posts, Volta with GDDR5/X is probably ready to go, but there's no need for NVIDIA to launch it because (a) Pascal is still good enough (b) Volta with GDDR6 will be a better product.

Nothing's stopping NVIDIA from putting the boot in, of course, but they're a business-savvy company that cares more about their profit margin than humiliating their competitor... especially since said competitor consistently humiliates itself.

If every customer did the right thing, there wouldn't be any Vega supply issues.

qubitIf every customer did the right thing, there wouldn't be any Vega supply issues.

Which is what? Buy NVIDIA?

R-T-BWhich is what? Buy NVIDIA?

Good idea! Or, we could all delay our next GPU purchase for about 6 months, using the perfectly good cards we already own (unless it's already dying) - that might level the playing field somewhat. Then again, 6 months of the status quo may have the same result. I tend to take the long view, anyway, since all this drama will pass, as always. The debate is still interesting, even though I might not upgrade for another year.

HoodGood idea! Or, we could all delay our next GPU purchase for about 6 months, using the perfectly good cards we already own (unless it's already dying) - that might level the playing field somewhat. Then again, 6 months of the status quo may have the same result. I tend to take the long view, anyway, since all this drama will pass, as always. The debate is still interesting, even though I might not upgrade for another year.

That's just crazy talk!

PS: I know it is, because it's precisely what I have done!

HoodGood idea! Or, we could all delay our next GPU purchase for about 6 months, using the perfectly good cards we already own (unless it's already dying) - that might level the playing field somewhat. Then again, 6 months of the status quo may have the same result. I tend to take the long view, anyway, since all this drama will pass, as always. The debate is still interesting, even though I might not upgrade for another year.

Will it ?

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980/970 GPU Supply Issues Bode Ill for Maxwell Already

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 stock won't improve until at least late July

Those are just a few headlines. Not even the DRAMATIC ones.

TSMC being blamed for NVIDIA GTX 1080, GTX 1070 supply issues and retailer price gouging

Amazon Vendors Price Gouging On Scarce Supply Of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080

R-T-BWhich is what? Buy NVIDIA?

Bingo. ;) Just a sarcastic comment aimed at AMD since they've pissed me off so much with that disappointing Vega. It should have wiped the floor with the 1080 Ti.

Look at what's happening with Intel's upcoming 8000 series CPUs now that Ryzen threatens them and it doesn't even beat Intel current gen in everything.

Vayra86I'm sorry but the MSRP weirdness of Vega is on the exact same level as the FE weirdness, except with the FE everyone saw it coming and Nvidia spinned it well; while with Vega AMD is trying to hide the fact afterwards and lost the opportunity to spin it well. Kinda the story of NV and AMDs life really. They both do underhand moves, but Nvidia sells them and AMD doesn't manage to do that, or it backfires on them.

In the end it makes no difference, in both cases it was blatantly obvious, and in both cases its a form of price inflation.

That is just plain false. Nvidia sells the FE of cards at an established MSRP, the cards are reviewed and recommended based on that performance level and MSRP. The price doesn't just suddenly go up a week after the FE of cards launch, and you're literally comparing opposing examples.

Nvidia: FE launches at an established premium, non-FE price is available from the start. Early Adopters can pay the premium for FE or wait a few weeks for AIB solutions.

AMD: Vega launches at the price point they claimed it would launch at. The price then mysteriously goes up a week later and AMD obfuscates why. Early Adopters end up paying a discount while everyone waits for more cards to become available.

Those are opposite situations. FE isn't a bait and switch the way Vega was. Nvidia said from weeks or even months before the 1xxx series launched that the FE would be at a premium, but further down the line alternatives would be available for cheaper--and they were. Vega was literally a product that launched at a lower MSRP than it realistically would sell for, with no warning about that fact. AMD is doing damage control for a reason after all.

xenocideThat is just plain false. Nvidia sells the FE of cards at an established MSRP, the cards are reviewed and recommended based on that performance level and MSRP. The price doesn't just suddenly go up a week after the FE of cards launch, and you're literally comparing opposing examples.

Nvidia: FE launches at an established premium, non-FE price is available from the start. Early Adopters can pay the premium for FE or wait a few weeks for AIB solutions.

AMD: Vega launches at the price point they claimed it would launch at. The price then mysteriously goes up a week later and AMD obfuscates why. Early Adopters end up paying a discount while everyone waits for more cards to become available.

Those are opposite situations. FE isn't a bait and switch the way Vega was. Nvidia said from weeks or even months before the 1xxx series launched that the FE would be at a premium, but further down the line alternatives would be available for cheaper--and they were. Vega was literally a product that launched at a lower MSRP than it realistically would sell for, with no warning about that fact. AMD is doing damage control for a reason after all.

It's not false at all.

They advertised their cards at 2 different price points , while the FE price tag was mostly met , the other MSRP figure was no where to be seen once AIB cards came into play.

It was a form of false advertising , they said you'll be able to buy the card at both price points but that wasn't the case. Pretty much all cards were sold at the FE price and up , regardless of the SKU. It wasn't until a few months later when you could have found a couple of cards here and there at the non-FE price.

Vya DomusIt's not false at all.

They advertised their cards at 2 different price points , while the FE price tag was mostly met , the other MSRP figure was no where to be seen once AIB cards came into play.

It was a form of false advertising , they said you'll be able to buy the card at both price points but that wasn't the case. Pretty much all cards were sold at the FE price and up , regardless of the SKU. It wasn't until a few months later when you could have found a couple of cards here and there at the non-FE price.

Not only that but the markup that was put on the FE was never entirely undone by the non-FE budget AIB versions either, best case you'll find those at 30-40% higher than 'intended' by Nvidia. And that's being lucky, and carefully timing your purchase at moments of good availability, which was basically only during a few weeks shortly before and after the price drop + the 9/11GBps versions of the 1060 and 1080. Even completely disregarding the mining craze, the intended MSRP was never ever met by a single AIB version. Pascal has literally not landed on the intended MSRP ever, until the official price drop was announced.

xenocideThat is just plain false.

Whatever gets said in a press release and what then happens on the marketplace are two different things. Everyone knew exactly what was going to happen and if you didn't, or if you deny this like you are, you're utterly blind.

Provide some examples to show us how false it was, I'd say. The only thing I can distill from your response thus far, is that Nvidia's spin on the FE has worked very well in your case, just like I was pointing out. The fact remains that the FE blower is the bottom of the stack, and putting a premium on the bottom means everything else gets priced higher, that's plain and simple economics.