Monday, September 24th 2018

Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

Through the 1990s, Microsoft had become a super-corporation threatening to monopolize all of computing. A band of talented developers got together with lawyers that could fish out loopholes in proprietary licenses, and with some generosity from big software, Linux grew from a scrappy Unix-like OS kernel to the preeminent operating system for enterprises at first, and handheld consumer electronics later. Today it's most popular operating system on the planet. Like every big organization, the Linux Foundation is hit by employee-activism.

Employee-activism is the new unionism. Whereas trade-unions of the old fought for tangible bread-and-butter issues affecting blue-collar folk of the early Industrial era, today's employee-activist is an intellectual predator seeking to maximize their organizational footprint on the backs of other people echoing their political ideas, often through blatant insubordination and disregard for the chain of command. Survival of the fittest has changed to "survival of the loudest." From forcing Linus Torvalds to apologize for speaking his mind in public, to coming up with a new Code of Conduct document, social-justice activism within the Linux Foundation threatens to devolve the culture of meritocracy to a toxic "safe space" prioritizing inclusion of identity rather than skill, as HardOCP comments. A major blow-back from the meritocrats is taking shape.

In a major revision to the license, software developers contributing to the Linux kernel source-code will soon be able to withdraw their contribution, if they are ever cornered by the rest of the community over perceived code-of-conduct violation (i.e. not pandering to identity politics or speaking their minds like Torvalds does). This is big, as many of the older generations of contributors who have made critical contributions without with Linux cannot function, now have a legal recourse, and could reduce the amount of political activism within the community.

Since 2015, identity politicians have been trying to force the Linux Foundation to join the Contributor Covenant, a special Code-of-Conduct agreement that seeks to change the "the predominantly white, straight, and male face of programming." On September 16, the Foundation agreed to implement CC Code of Conduct. Shortly following that, groups of pro-CC developers went on a character-assassination spree of top Linux developers by amplifying and often distorting, their political views (which are irrelevant to the task of programming).
Sources: Lulz, HardOCP
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653 Comments on Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

#226
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lexluthermiesterHow so?
Look at the poll.
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#228
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lexluthermiesterWhy bother?
Because both matter.
lexluthermiesterYou can argue all you wish, it doesn't make you correct.
No, but do you really believe one excludes the other? I mean you... don't seem to think that below? Meh, my main point is we aren't getting anywhere here. Put this monster to sleep.
lexluthermiesterIt's just a poll.
Hey, I'm not the one who asked why the numbers were where they are...
FordGT90ConceptFor the record, Contributor Covenant is ran by a self-proclaimed social justice warrior.
I am pretty much the same category, FWIW.
lexluthermiesterOne with results that show just how many people are out of touch with reality..
Oh come on now. Can't we just accept our opinions != reality and call it a day?
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#229
lexluthermiester
R-T-BBecause both matter.
Not when it comes to getting work done.
R-T-BNo, but do you really believe one excludes the other?
No. I think one takes precedent over the other. Skills and qualifications above all else, IE Merit first and foremost.
R-T-BMeh, my main point is we aren't getting anywhere here. Put this monster to sleep.
Why? Because those voicing common sense and logical reasoning are making actual sense?
R-T-BI am pretty much the same category, FWIW.
Oh please don't lump yourself in with that kinda of group. You're better than that.
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#230
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lexluthermiesterWhy? Because those voicing common sense and logical reasoning are making actual sense?
That's... really not what's happening here at all. Don't pretend that it's quite laughable.
lexluthermiesterNot when it comes to getting work done.
They aren't mutually exclusive. A agressive personality can prevent otherwise very productive people from being able to work with their bad behaviors. And that's really why both are important for maximal productivity. Big corperations have done studies on this and concluded the same man... You think MS-embraced diversity just to please us SJW? You know better than that.
lexluthermiesterOh please don't lump yourself in with that kinda of group. You're better than that.
I've always been there. Maybe you need to start reconsidering that insult.
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#231
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
R-T-BI am pretty much the same category, FWIW.
Should a self-proclaimed social justice warrior ever be trusted to write rules all of humanity is expected to abide by? Conflict of interest much? Ironic that it was literally the "Code of Conflict" her words replaced...
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#232
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FordGT90ConceptShould a self-proclaimed social justice warrior ever be trusted to write rules all of humanity is expected to abide by? Conflict of interest much?
Should anyone with any political affiliation be allowed to? What do you think happens in the various Senates across our nation?

And it's not all of humanity. This is people who sign on.
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#233
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
"...we do not want to do anything to cause the quality of submission and eventual result to ever decrease." What did adopting her Code of Conduct do? Threaten to not merely decrease, but obliterate the code base.

This thread is about code. Code doesn't give a damn about politics.

No anyone that wants to contribute to Linux has to bow at the alter of social justice before entry is granted. Linux is done for.
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#234
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FordGT90ConceptWhat did adopting her Code of Conduct do? Threaten to not just decrease, but obliterate the code base.
Maybe. But I wasn't the one arguing the argument you just quoted. And I still doubt anything signifigant will change, but we shall see.

I do find it ironic that this of all things has made more people passionate about Linux than ever before.
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#235
lilhasselhoffer
FordGT90ConceptShould a self-proclaimed social justice warrior ever be trusted to write rules all of humanity is expected to abide by? Conflict of interest much? Ironic that it was literally the "Code of Conflict" her words replaced...
If you ask the social justice warrior to write the rules you invite a curtailing of speech. If you ask them, you get a rhetoric of how people are being protected, because everyone deserves to be safe.

I'd like two codes of conduct. The first can be social justice, and the second by somebody writing code 9-5 (or much longer realistically) freelance. The later is based upon people driven idealistically, the former by those who understand practical reality. Where the two overlap you keep it. Where they diverge you poll the top 20% of contributors to see how they land and implement the majority vote.

The logic is as such:
1) Items universally defined are agreed to by polar opposites, and don't need discussion.
2) Items in question are community driven.
3) Contribution means having a voice. Merit overcomes mob mentality, and those who wish a stronger voice need only demonstrate they deserve a hand in shaping the future.


It's representative democracy at its finest. The current plan is more akin to authoritarian regimes, and as others stated will likely see another fork. I would like to see the social justice forking though. It would demonstrate quite clearly whether inclusion or merit are the objectively better systems...and I'd like to warm my popcorn for the insane mess that follows. No matter who wins, we collectively lose in the race to demonstrate the better angels of our natures.



Edit:
Redefined realistic experience. It was..a poor choice of example.
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#236
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
I don't think this has been posted here yet:
lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1809.2/06864.html

TL;DR:
First, let me confirm that this threat has teeth.
"Threat" being judge ordering author's code being removed from the project because the reward of reputation is gone.

Realistically, the SJW Linux can be rendered inoperable by court order, even if they do fork.
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#237
GoldenX
Once again, The Great Murica ruining something...
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#238
Solidstate89
R-T-BThat's obviously a contentious point, but it's also irrelevant I'd argue. They both can be balanced together and one does not exclude the other.

This whole thread and poll is designed to divide and it's shameful.
That people believe that you can't be an inclusive organization without disregarding the talent of the people you hire is proof in and of itself of why self-described "meritocracies" are bullshit and never actually about "just merit."

So is the ridiculous belief that programming is apolitical when the entire open source movement is in and of itself a political answer to massive corporations and the control they exert on software and the hardware that it runs on. It's as political as it gets; from the very beginning it was political and it remains so today. Things like the Whisper Protocol and TOR exist for political reasons to accomplish political goals.
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#239
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FordGT90Conceptreward of reputation is gone.
How so?

That would be the rub and the chief point you'd have to establish, I'd think.
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#240
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Solidstate89That people believe that you can't be an inclusive organization without disregarding the talent of the people you hire is proof in and of itself of why self-described "meritocracies" are bullshit and never actually about "just merit."

So is the ridiculous belief that programming is apolitical when the entire open source movement is in and of itself a political answer to massive corporations and the control they exert on software and the hardware that it runs on. It's as political as it gets; from the very beginning it was political and it remains so today. Things like the Whisper Protocol and TOR exist for political reasons to accomplish political goals.
Meritocracy is simply this: if your code is better than your peers, it gets included and you get recognition for it; repeat ad infinitum.
R-T-BHow so?

That would be the rub and the chief point you'd have to establish, I'd think.
Because Linux is now obligated to adopt the code that is more inclusive rather than better (performing, elegant, secure, compact, etc.).
In the U.S. there is case law confirming that reputational losses relating to conversion of the rights of a contributor to a GPLed project are judicable in law.
The meritocracy is dead. The rights are no longer the original contributors which can claim damages by loss of reputation (basically slander).
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#241
R-T-B
FordGT90ConceptBecause Linux is now obligated to adopt the code that is more inclusive rather than better (performing, elegant, secure, compact, etc.).
This would depend on the kernel degrading. I really don't see that happening at all. And no, the current CoC does not force adopting code that is more inclusive. Didn't you read it?
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#242
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening, offensive, or harmful.
Torvalds' dissent about the master/slave patch would have resulted in his banning. Hell, anyone that dissents because some SJW feels "offended" can now be banned from the community. Censorship - meritocracy = idiotic commits are inevitable. Valuable contributors like Torvalds will leave by force or choice. Project stagnates. Project gets abandoned. The only way that doesn't happen is if corporations keep supporting it. Without people like Torvalds staying on top of exploits and new hardware features, that's not assured.

Nevermind the fact that if there is a huge legal fight because of the Code of Conduct and death of the meritocracy, there will only be scraps left over.
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#243
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FordGT90ConceptTorvalds dissent about the master/slave patch would have resulted in his banning. Hell, anyone that dissents because some SJW feels "offended" can now be banned from the community. Censorship - meritocracy = idiotic commits are inevitable.
Not if he uses constructive criticism and non agressive languagee... Is that so hard and foreign these days?
Censorship - meritocracy = idiotic commits are inevitable.
Oh, the irony. Some of the old commits of yore would make you think meritocracy was a game of retarded social monopoly...

Like it or not, this whole thing came about because the current "meritocracy" was not working properly. Maybe there's a better answer, but ground zero sure ain't it.
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#244
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
R-T-BNot if he uses constructive criticism and non agressive languagee... Is that so hard and foreign these days?
"Criticism heard and ignored." Some people never listen. Even when told something is hot, they touch it anyway. Meritocracy protected Linux from those types of people. Not anymore it isn't.
R-T-BLike it or not, this whole thing came about because the current "meritocracy" was not working properly.
For SJWs whom really have nothing of value to contribute and were called out for it.
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#245
lexluthermiester
R-T-BI've always been there. Maybe you need to start reconsidering that insult.
You don't come off that way, generally.
FordGT90ConceptFor SJWs whom really have nothing of value to contribute and were called out for it.
That's about right.
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#246
Vayra86
R-T-BMaybe. But I wasn't the one arguing the argument you just quoted. And I still doubt anything signifigant will change, but we shall see.

I do find it ironic that this of all things has made more people passionate about Linux than ever before.
Passionate? I know you are joking or half serious, but really, the passion comes from the sensation of controversy, its the whole reason this whole SJW thing exists. I keep saying it - runaway troll attempt. And we keep falling for it. How about just ignoring it... Give each other a hug and if they keep whining, smile a bit more, and move on. Its the strongest and only correct message against this crap.

And maybe - just maybe - Torvalds was actually the smarter man saying 'oh yes I've been bad, I'll go sit in my mancave now bai' and in the meantime he's the one avoiding all this nonsense.
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#247
R-T-B
FordGT90ConceptFor SJWs whom really have nothing of value to contribute and were called out for it.
Sure, we can shift the blame to those who get offended, but at what point are we just going to acknowledge that not being offensive is probably a good business policy?
Vayra86Passionate? I know you are joking or half serious, but really, the passion comes from the sensation of controversy, its the whole reason this whole SJW thing exists. I keep saying it - runaway troll attempt.
That was my point to a tee.

Sadly, if there is one thing I have learned over the past year, it is that ignoring hate speech, ignornace, and general stirring of the pot fixes nothing.

I wish it were as simple as ignoring threads like this. But I do feel that is doing nothing, and allowing metaphorical evil to prosper (not speaking of opposing views mind you, I mean, just that lack of civic engagement in general is a BAD thing in my view).
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#248
Vayra86
R-T-BSure, we can shift the blame to those who get offended, but at what point are we just going to acknowledge that not being offensive is probably a good business policy?
Every sane business has that policy - but unofficially, people do stab each other in the back. It just happens. No Code will change that - people don't really change. They just hide their true self a bit better. Or, in this case show themselves a bit more ;)
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#249
Valantar
Vayra86Every sane business has that policy - but unofficially, people do stab each other in the back. It just happens. No Code will change that - people don't really change. They just hide their true self a bit better. Or, in this case show themselves a bit more ;)
That's quite a fatalist view. If people are socialized into believing that cut-throat competition is acceptable (or even lauded!) in the workplace, they'll do that. If they learn differently, chances are they'll act differently. Humans are immensely adaptable beings. Even low-level behaviour like the urge to compete and win can be moderated/changed over time with the right stimuli.

@lexluthermiester @FordGT90Concept Both of you seem to take as the basis of your argument that this was already a perfect meritocracy with no inherent bias whatsoever. That is quite a claim, really, given that this is a social system created by humans. We carry our biases wherever we go, and it's been clearly demonstrated that our (conscious, subconscious or unconscious) biases are carried over and embedded into the systems we create - including "non-social" products like code. Given that the core of this is the established system was criticized for being biased, the reasonable approach would be to say "okay, how can we bring this closer to being an actual meritocracy", and work towards that. Instead, people are up in arms about this somehow being a coup and that every single person who has ever written Linux code and been rude to someone is going to get booted out, rendering Linux inoperable. This is a defensive, knee-jerk reaction signifying either a lack of perspective, reflection and understanding, or simply a sign of not wanting the current system to change, no matter its flaws. If the former is true, the people involved need to work on themselves, and if the latter is true, they need to stop being hypocrites and claiming this to be a meritocracy.

Anyone claiming to be a part of a meritocratic system should be very invested in ensuring that the system is actually meritocratic. This includes checking your own privilege, investigating the power structures established, and acting both personally and outwardly to counter any imbalances. And last, but not least, this involves looking into the foundations of what we define as merit, and the social power dynamics that lie behind this. A clear-cut, easy to understand example is how (on average) aggressive, loud, overly competitive men are generally successful, lauded for their behaviour, while women behaving in exactly the same way are seen as "bossy", "domineering" or "bitchy". The same goes for work product and employment history - there have been several scientific inquiries looking into how resumes or ideas presented in the workplace are both judged very differently if the name attached to it comes off as male or female. This even carries over to anonymous platforms, especially ones where people have fixed user names, as those are themselves read as gendered if possible. The point: for a meritocracy to be even remotely possible, it requires continuous critical investigations of its foundations to ever actually reach that status.
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#250
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
SteevoI grew up poor, extremely so, a lot of my family is still poor as are whole communities like them. I have been homeless, gone hungry, no money at all. Hell I got divorced, moved two states away from everyone I knew as a single full time father of two kids.

How and why am I more successful now? I must have screwed someone. Or maybe I stopped worrying about buying stupid shit like new electronic gadgets constantly, cut out unnecessary things like cable, made better choices. But I probably just fucked over poor people......cause reasons.
SteevoDon't act like you know me.
But naturally you know everyone so for you it's ok to presume.

And that divorce thing is a bad thing, and it sounds like you had a massive falling out with everyone in your life. That is a failure on many levels.

And yes, people are obviously poor only because they have cable and phones. I know this is not what you meant, but you didn't develop it further than that so it's all I have to go on. Yes, people can to a degree change their "fates" or whatever, but ... there are innumerable variables to take into account, and you know it.
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