Monday, September 24th 2018

Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

Through the 1990s, Microsoft had become a super-corporation threatening to monopolize all of computing. A band of talented developers got together with lawyers that could fish out loopholes in proprietary licenses, and with some generosity from big software, Linux grew from a scrappy Unix-like OS kernel to the preeminent operating system for enterprises at first, and handheld consumer electronics later. Today it's most popular operating system on the planet. Like every big organization, the Linux Foundation is hit by employee-activism.

Employee-activism is the new unionism. Whereas trade-unions of the old fought for tangible bread-and-butter issues affecting blue-collar folk of the early Industrial era, today's employee-activist is an intellectual predator seeking to maximize their organizational footprint on the backs of other people echoing their political ideas, often through blatant insubordination and disregard for the chain of command. Survival of the fittest has changed to "survival of the loudest." From forcing Linus Torvalds to apologize for speaking his mind in public, to coming up with a new Code of Conduct document, social-justice activism within the Linux Foundation threatens to devolve the culture of meritocracy to a toxic "safe space" prioritizing inclusion of identity rather than skill, as HardOCP comments. A major blow-back from the meritocrats is taking shape.

In a major revision to the license, software developers contributing to the Linux kernel source-code will soon be able to withdraw their contribution, if they are ever cornered by the rest of the community over perceived code-of-conduct violation (i.e. not pandering to identity politics or speaking their minds like Torvalds does). This is big, as many of the older generations of contributors who have made critical contributions without with Linux cannot function, now have a legal recourse, and could reduce the amount of political activism within the community.

Since 2015, identity politicians have been trying to force the Linux Foundation to join the Contributor Covenant, a special Code-of-Conduct agreement that seeks to change the "the predominantly white, straight, and male face of programming." On September 16, the Foundation agreed to implement CC Code of Conduct. Shortly following that, groups of pro-CC developers went on a character-assassination spree of top Linux developers by amplifying and often distorting, their political views (which are irrelevant to the task of programming).
Sources: Lulz, HardOCP
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653 Comments on Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

#201
StrayKAT
I think installation is pretty easy compared to what it once was, as long as you stick with the distro's repository (which isn't always an option though..).

Not sure how CentOS works. Does it just connect to Red Hat?
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#202
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
At this point wiz should just start to review boothbabes (or lacking them, random women users can submit photos of) again and be done with it. And when the SJW commies complain he should fail to see the point and start to review dicks as well.

What I've learned so far:
- Poor people deserve it.
- Socialism is like the flat earth movement.
- Sweden has ghettos.
- Women are genetically worse in tech than men, except for Lisa Su.
- Disagreement is cancerous (on both "sides").

Fun read.
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#203
Valantar
StrayKATI agree he's anti-scientific and narcissistic. I still don't understand why he's seen as racist.. let alone a fascist.

I respect the Left that sees Hillary for what she is. But that is a small group. Tucked into the tiny corners of the net at this point. Like... Jimmy Dore and Susan Sarandon fans. :p Anyone who basically avoids CNN and MSNBC...who coopted what the "left" is in mainstream minds.
Generalizing an entire group of people based on their race/ethnicity as rapists, criminals, murderers, and so on? That's racism, plain and simple. Not to mention the Obama birther movement? Yeah, that's no-holds-barred, outright and indisputable racism.

As for fascist, his authoritarianism, blatant disregard for truth, violent us v. them rhetoric, general vilification of any and all who criticize him, outspoken desire to use the legal system for personal gain against political opponents, and glorification of violence against those who oppose him put him more than close enough to make that label fit.

And though I'm not an American, and thus don't really know how large that portion of the American left is, I don't think you're right in saying that it's a small group. Sanders supporters largely saw that (though to be fair, a lot of Sanders supporters refused to vote Hillary for obviously sexist reasons too). The current wave of progressive-left and socialist women candidates in various primaries and special elections doesn't really hew close to Clinton's example either, though she does deserve praise for opening the door for them.
SteevoHahahahahaha

Don't act like you know me.
Have I? I've just pointed out the flawed logic behind your reasoning. Don't see how that constitutes me claiming to know you. Even if you don't call yourself conservative or libertarian, the point of view you presented is a central tenet of their ideologies.
StrayKATI think installation is pretty easy compared to what it once was, as long as you stick with the distro's repository (which isn't always an option though..).

Not sure how CentOS works. Does it just connect to Red Hat?
The repository system is a good idea (essentially it's Google Play/the App Store, just way better/more open/more flexible), but the problem arises once you want a piece of software that isn't in the default one. Having to add a new repository through the terminal is ... convoluted at best. Why not just be able to download an executable installer? The same goes for driver updates, whether they're open source or proprietary. I get that this is a security risk, but so is ... owning a computer, or connecting it to the Internet. Ubuntu seems to have kinda-sorta solved this with their .deb installer packaging (don't know if they originated this - might the extension mean it originated in Debian? I only sporadically touch Linux, so I really have no idea), which is a huge boon for usability. Even with this, there still hasn't been a single instance where I've installed a Linux distro somewhere and haven't felt limited in what I can do with it. I might be too dependent upon Windows-only software, and not really in the target market for Linux given that I don't do programming or anything to do with servers, but regardless of this it still has a way to go as an end-user OS.
mtcn77Needy people cannot police their own merit, as such cannot possibly reach Hank Rearden in his 'just' ideals at overtaking the Philedelphian iron mines. Ordinary people would sell it for scraps whereas he exploited it for the creation of Rearden Metal. It is poetic, though not convenient to a loftier's agendas.
After Googling Hank Rearden I understand that this has something to do with Atlas Shrugged, though I still really have no idea what you're talking about beyond that. Given that this is a work of fiction that presents a set of ideals that don't work in the real world (for a whole host of reasons), I don't really see how this applies.
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#204
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
R-T-BProgrammer joke on the interpretation of a raw binary.



More order of the most significant digit.

I would explain but it's tough to type out on mobile... Maybe Ford will do the honors if you are lucky.
Processors always interpret right to left inside of each byte but several related bytes can also be read left to right (Intel/little endian) or right to left (Motorola/IBM/big endian). 32,768 in both:
little endian: 00000000 10000000 = left are 0-255, right are 255-65535
big endian: 10000000 0000000 = left are 255-65535, right are 0-255

Said differently: little endian ends with the least significant digits (remember, the whole things is read from right to left by the processor) while big endian ends with the most significant digits.

Hex addresses are almost always displayed as big endian because it makes the most sense to humans (we predominantly read left to right).
StrayKATedit: Vulkan now using a CoC. My conspiracy about MS is seeming more true. :D
Disgraceful.


...and I'm not going to read the last five pages. :roll:
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#205
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
And I thought Linux was from Peanuts.
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#206
DRDNA
R-T-BI have a feeling "the truth" is basically your opinion in this case, judging from this comment. All good, makes it easier if I know that fact.
Nice of you to try to start shit with a community member but hey you been ding this since F-ing 2007....you've been pawned here and in life...still laughing.....but now the laugh is on you.... hahaha.... next thing you know you're going to tell me Russia is the boogeyman and some shit about flying pigs and the sky is falling right?....ROFLMAO at you..."Easier" lol
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#207
Ferrum Master
DRDNAyou're going to tell me Russia is the boogeyman
Well under this CoC topic for sure not. That may be one of the rare exceptions. It would be like shooting in their own foot.

Falling pigs from the sky? We had first snow already yesterday :laugh:.
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#208
Solidstate89
“There are two novels that can transform a bookish 14-year-kld’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish daydream that can lead to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood in which large chunks of the day are spent inventing ways to make real life more like a fantasy novel. The other is a book about orcs.” – “The Value of Nothing” by Raj Pate
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#209
TheinsanegamerN
StrayKATWhat's wrong with Texas? lol. It's bigger than most countries. You're going to find all kinds of people.

Would it make you feel better that I'm a half-Thai, half Scandi Texan who's got Black, Mexican, Asian, and White friends? And I'm not much different than many here. I've been here most of my life, and while I've had some racist experiences, it's not that common.

edit: I think the most accurate info now is those hurricanes. That's about it. Then you see people in these so called "racist" areas (Texas, Florida, Carolinas) just simply helping each other out. That's real. That's how the actual people are. They're not the subhumans these coastal news organizations usually broadcast out to the country or through their movie stereotypes... getting everyone else all anxious and shit. The sky is falling! The country has gone to hell. Racists! KKK! Nazis in the White House and running on the streets!

I wish people could be a little happier. All they have to do is relax.. and breathe the fresh air. Nothing is as bad as it seems.
Same goes for the midwest. The media would convince you we are all russian loving nazi country bumpkins with the IQ of a potato.

Meanwhile, in the real world here in flyover country, people great each other with friendly gestures every morning, people seem generally happy going about their business, and the crazy political leanings and SJW rhetoric all seam like a late night comedy. Out here, you just get your job done, get paid, and go hang out with your friends after work. Our politicians are far more moderate because I'm in a swing state, where they cant rely on a voting block to keep them there forever. Young people can afford to buy houses and raise families. Communities have their fairs, people know each-other, and there is a sense of community. Sure, there is occasionally some crazy guy from the middle of nowhere that shows up and ruins things, but how often do gangs get into shootings in the cities on the coast again, tagging everything that isnt tied down with their graffiti, ece? For the most part, out here, things are peaceful, not tied up in the machinations of the political elite on the coastlines. From here, one often wonders "why on earth would you want to live out there?"

All those crazy conservatives? yeah, I can talk politics with them over a beer, and while we have many disagreements, we are still friends. We can still talk about video games, cars, anything really, even though I'm more liberal and they are more conservative. The liberals in the city center, OTOH, start foaming at the mouth at the mere idea that trump isnt actually hitler. Anytime I feel that, no, the sky isnt about to turn nuclear, and say so, I'm told that I'm a troll, nazi, russian sympathizer, or some other meaningless slur. It seems like a miserable life to lead, constantly worrying about politicians and identity politics and equality and inclusion and russia and nazis and boogeymen, ece.

I feel like the people most concerned with identity politics, those that cant stop screaming or being offended at everything are in for a rude awakening as more people get sick of their tirade of insanity, and more of those people speak out openly against them instead of quietly avoiding the crazy person in the room.
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#210
Ahhzz
Getting a bit far afield from Original topic here.
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#211
Caring1
R-T-BReading through it's already pretty south. I'm steering clear.
I didn't know frogs could drive, but wise move avoiding the tracks during a train crash like this.
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#212
StrayKAT
ValantarGeneralizing an entire group of people based on their race/ethnicity as rapists, criminals, murderers, and so on? That's racism, plain and simple. Not to mention the Obama birther movement? Yeah, that's no-holds-barred, outright and indisputable racism.
He didn't do that. Why don't you actually listen to his speech (it's from the very first speech.. the infamous "escalator" one)? Don't use any filter. Don't let someone else TELL you what he said (not even me.. heh).

I didn't vote for him btw and desperately wish to not look like I'm a "Trumper", but this is just not true. And guess what? He still got 30% of the Latino vote. lol. Are they all self-hating and brainwashed? Or is there more to it than that? And now both black unemployment and Latino unemployment are the lowest they've been in history. They're doing better, slowly, but surely. If he's a racist, he doesn't know how to do it correctly.
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#214
Valantar
progsteSJWs ruin everything.
People using the tern "SJW" to derail relevant debates ruin everything.
StrayKATHe didn't do that. Why don't you actually listen to his speech (it's from the very first speech.. the infamous "escalator" one)? Don't use any filter. Don't let someone else TELL you what he said (not even me.. heh).

I didn't vote for him btw and desperately wish to not look like I'm a "Trumper", but this is just not true. And guess what? He still got 30% of the Latino vote. lol. Are they all self-hating and brainwashed? Or is there more to it than that? And now both black unemployment and Latino unemployment are the lowest they've been in history. They're doing better, slowly, but surely. If he's a racist, he doesn't know how to do it correctly.
I'll admit I haven't seen the entirety of the speeches in question, but the segments I've seen make it reasonably clear that he's painting with an excessively broad brush and characterizing all illegal immigrants (implied: violent) criminals, not only in the crime of being an illegal immigrant, but as rapists, murderers and so on. While he might have skirted around some of the most obvious outright racism, his use of classic dog-whistles and far-right racist rhetoric makes him, almost by default, a racist.

Managing to capture 30% of the Latino vote is probably due to a significant portion of them being solidly on the conservative end of the political spectrum, and thus choosing to accept what to them is the lesser of two evils (although this is of course pure speculation, there is at least significant data showing a lot of ideological conservativism among Latino US citizens).

Still, I'll have to look into those speeches again. Might be that what I've seen was taken out of context, I suppose.
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#215
Steevo
FrickAt this point wiz should just start to review boothbabes (or lacking them, random women users can submit photos of) again and be done with it. And when the SJW commies complain he should fail to see the point and start to review dicks as well.

What I've learned so far:
- Poor people deserve it.
- Socialism is like the flat earth movement.
- Sweden has ghettos.
- Women are genetically worse in tech than men, except for Lisa Su.
- Disagreement is cancerous (on both "sides").

Fun read.
I grew up poor, extremely so, a lot of my family is still poor as are whole communities like them. I have been homeless, gone hungry, no money at all. Hell I got divorced, moved two states away from everyone I knew as a single full time father of two kids.

How and why am I more successful now? I must have screwed someone. Or maybe I stopped worrying about buying stupid shit like new electronic gadgets constantly, cut out unnecessary things like cable, made better choices. But I probably just fucked over poor people......cause reasons.

Socialisim has never worked anywhere in it's pure form, people are corrupt. A mix of ideology containing socialisim is probably the best we will ever do at government anywhere, but it needs a foundation of free market, speech, ideas, and capitalism.

Sweden has an immigrant problem, and their success in keeping service workers, emergency workers, and others from working as they would elsewhere, be it from knife attacks, homemade explosives, rocks, or the threat of sexual assault. It's a ghetto compared to the other beautiful and peaceful areas. It's caused by a lack of integration, the US suffers the same fate with Mexican immigration, the people come here, good and some bad, and recreate what they fought to escape by not integrating.

Women are not men's equal, when they are clearly different and superior at so many other things than men. In the Nordic countries where equality is at it's highest men and women still choose vastly different jobs as groups. Sure some men become nurses, some women are firefighters, but the majority choose jobs they want and it happens to fall in line with cultural norms, almost like that normalicy was there due to something other than inequalities.

I stand for anyone's right to disagree, up to the point that it infringes upon the rights of another.

We are and should be free to do, say, think, what and how we like to the point it causes or calls for direct physical harm to another person, regardless of harm it may cause ourselves, every inch of law that overrides this is a crime against everyone.
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#216
StrayKAT
ValantarPeople using the tern "SJW" to derail relevant debates ruin everything.

I'll admit I haven't seen the entirety of the speeches in question, but the segments I've seen make it reasonably clear that he's painting with an excessively broad brush and characterizing all illegal immigrants (implied: violent) criminals, not only in the crime of being an illegal immigrant, but as rapists, murderers and so on. While he might have skirted around some of the most obvious outright racism, his use of classic dog-whistles and far-right racist rhetoric makes him, almost by default, a racist.

Managing to capture 30% of the Latino vote is probably due to a significant portion of them being solidly on the conservative end of the political spectrum, and thus choosing to accept what to them is the lesser of two evils (although this is of course pure speculation, there is at least significant data showing a lot of ideological conservativism among Latino US citizens).

Still, I'll have to look into those speeches again. Might be that what I've seen was taken out of context, I suppose.
I don't think he intended anything as dog whistles, but they've certainly been used that way by the worst of his supporters. To sum it up though, he said "they're not sending their best". So that already implies that there are good elements.. he just wants those instead. But the media will chop that part out and just use the bits where he listed the bad elements.

Did you know he almost ran in 2000.. and dropped out because David Duke joined the Reform Party? He outright called him a racist and was disgusted. Now fast forward 20 years and suddenly the media says he's buddies with David Duke. lol

Even funnier is he wanted OPRAH to be his running mate. Now suddenly 20 years later and the Left is urging Oprah to run against him (she won't/not interested).

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#217
trparky
amit_talkinTL;DR , Linux suck anyways. Over 20 years in making and still they cant make it easy to install programs. Cant do $hit without terminal. Its free but people here still opt for Windows because of its easy to use and manage.
Linux has come a long way. Is it as easy to use as Windows? Not by a long shot. There's a lot of stuff that still needs to be done if Linux is to become a mainstream operating system that everybody and their uncles can run it.
ValantarAs for fascist, his authoritarianism, blatant disregard for truth, violent us v. them rhetoric, general vilification of any and all who criticize him, outspoken desire to use the legal system for personal gain against political opponents, and glorification of violence against those who oppose him put him more than close enough to make that label fit.
Yep, I definitely can use this to describe the current president. He really has a "they're out to get me" mentality whether or not it's warranted. Any time someone speaks out against him, hell... it could be even one of his closest advisor and/or a close confidant/friend, he will turn on him/her as if that person doesn't matter. You can't do that kind of shit and if someone does do that they are definitely mentally unfit to be in the highest office in the land. If you ask me, the 25th amendment needs to be invoked right now! He is mentally unfit to be president, you can clearly see that in how on a moment's notice he will flip on someone even for saying even the slightest negative thing about him.
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#218
StrayKAT
trparkyLinux has come a long way. Is it as easy to use as Windows? Not by a long shot. There's a lot of stuff that still needs to be done if Linux is to become a mainstream operating system that everybody and their uncles can run it.

Yep, I definitely can use this to describe the current president. He really has a "they're out to get me" mentality whether or not it's warranted or not. Any time someone speaks out against him, hell... it could be even one of his closest advisor and confidant/friend, he will turn on him/her as if that person doesn't matter. You can't do that kind of shit and if someone does do that they are definitely mentally unfit to be in the highest office in the land. If you ask me, the 25th amendment needs to be invoked right now! He is mentally unfit to be president, you can clearly see that in how on a moment's notice he will flip on someone even for saying even the slightest negative thing about him.
Hint: He wants you to think some of that. If he didn't actually like these people, he wouldn't have hired them. Take the public spat between him and Sessions, for example. Sessions is 100% behind him and was one of his earliest supporters in Washington. He's just being lowkey and Trump is trying to get the media to like him... He's smart enough to know that anything he does gets shit on (even peace with North Korea! lol). So the best thing to do is distance himself from Sessions.... for what's coming. Sessions this whole time has been quietly signing off on grand juries and indictments. The worst thing to do is have an Attorney General that the media never liked. But now they've admitted they like him.. because they take Trump's Tweets at face value.
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#219
R-T-B
DRDNANice of you to try to start shit with a community member but hey you been ding this since F-ing 2007....you've been pawned here and in life...still laughing.....but now the laugh is on you.... hahaha.... next thing you know you're going to tell me Russia is the boogeyman and some shit about flying pigs and the sky is falling right?....ROFLMAO at you..."Easier" lol
Nope.
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#220
StrayKAT
FordGT90ConceptDisgraceful.


...and I'm not going to read the last five pages. :roll:
Hah. I'm surprised you're the only one who quoted this.

This is one of those things that will go under the radar, and later, everyone will wonder how it all turned to crap.
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#221
lexluthermiester
In reference to the poll; How the hell is "Inclusion" ahead of "Merit"?!? When it comes to doing work, skill and talent are infinitely more important than diversity, always.
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#222
R-T-B
lexluthermiesterIn reference to the poll; How the hell is "Inclusion" ahead of "Merit"?!? When it comes to doing work, skill and talent are infinitely more important than diversity, always.
That's obviously a contentious point, but it's also irrelevant I'd argue. They both can be balanced together and one does not exclude the other.

This whole thread and poll is designed to divide and it's shameful.
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#223
lilhasselhoffer
Can someone invoke Godwin's law here, and kill this monster.

The original topic was political correctness seeping into coding. With respect, this started out as a discussion about the impact of cultured speech on coding. The topic was whether individuals without a filter do more damage by being combative, or whether the end product working is worth this. That topic is interesting, and is ripe enough for a discussion. There's always room to discuss the prices and rewards of free speech.

Then there's the other 7 pages of insanity. I get the SJW angle, and taking umbrage with this. I get the politics surrounding the issue being of great importance. What I don't get is how a discussion about coding has spiraled into ethnic integration, political bend, equality of outcome versus equality of opportunity, and memes.


Can we get back to the much less....inflamatory....discussion of the expression of free speech in coding? It's a worthwhile, and less massive, topic to discuss whether inclusion or outcome is valued more highly and how freely we should be allowed to express our opinions.

Please. Here, let me take the bullet. You're a dirty authoritarian, why yes I am. Godwin envoked, so this absolute mess can die. Maybe dissecting this mess can....never mind. I'm about to ask whether lessons were learned, but it never will be. Maybe....I don't know, maybe it'd time to stop reading here again. It seems like this is just devolving from fruitful discussion to irreparable fracturing.
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#224
lexluthermiester
R-T-BThat's obviously a contentious point
How so? When an employer is looking to hire someone they will hire the most qualified applicant. They rarely care about anything other than skill-set and qualifications.
R-T-Bbut it's also irrelevant I'd argue
You can argue all you wish, it doesn't make you correct.
R-T-BThey both can be balanced together
Why bother?
R-T-Bone does not exclude the other.
True.
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