Nice, VR is nearly dead. Valve Time.

Somehow this keeps my hopes up for a HL3 at some point. They're just taking a really long time, when nobody wants it anymore, they'll release it.

The lack of AMD GPU support is more than likely AMD’s fault. They have been providing shitty driver support for VR, especially SteamVR, for a very long time now.

And yeah, keep on dreaming VR is dead

xkm1948keep on dreaming VR is dead

Vayra86VR is nearly dead

Its still on life support :)

It needs more time. The giant bulky head set, the wires, space limitations. there's enough immersion breaking hurdles ,that make it less immersive than traditional PC gameplay imo. It just needs "more". Its impressive, & cool, but a great way to determine the feasibility of a given product is to apply the "razor and blade" model to it hypothetically & honesty think if it would survive.

If you're unfamiliar, the "razor and blades" model is when you provide the main item at a minimal to no-cost, and have refillable items which is where you actually make your money that are required for the main item to function . Very similar to printers and printer ink. You can often get a decent printer for $50 or less, and they're often sold at a loss or low profit, because manufacturers know they can sell ink at a ridiculously high mark up (which is why there are now chips in ink cartridges to determine if they are "genuine ink" since if you buy your ink from another seller the company that footed the bill on the printer wont make its money),because what good is a printer without ink ? Just like shaving razors, so hence the name

so ,if you were to apply that method to VR right now ,do you really think it would do well? Let's just say that all the equipment required to get a capable gaming PC up and running in VR costed $50 , but the games would cost $150, or $100 ,how many games do you think VRbuyers would purchase ,before they said "nah this isnt worth it"? I would be genuinely surprised if consumers bought a second title beyond the first

But that's just my opinion

xkm1948The lack of AMD GPU support is more than likely AMD’s fault. They have been providing shitty driver support for VR, especially SteamVR, for a very long time now.

It's not that at all.
Valve is simply using NVidia's recent frame interpolation algo for generating slo-mo or high-FPS videos from low-FPS source.
Basically, minimal work, minimal R&D, and ready-to-use inference algorithm (just a slightly different application).
I mean this, but in real-time:

jboydgolferIts still on life support :)

It needs more time. The giant bulky head set, the wires, space limitations. there's enough immersion breaking hurdles ,that make it less immersive than traditional PC gameplay imo. It just needs "more". Its impressive, & cool, but a great way to determine the feasibility of a given product is to apply the "razor and blade" model to it hypothetically & honesty think if it would survive.

If you're unfamiliar, the "razor and blades" model is when you provide the main item at a minimal to no-cost, and have refillable items which is where you actually make your money that are required for the main item to function . Very similar to printers and printer ink. You can often get a decent printer for $50 or less, and they're often sold at a loss or low profit, because manufacturers know they can sell ink at a ridiculously high mark up (which is why there are now chips in ink cartridges to determine if they are "genuine ink" since if you buy your ink from another seller the company that footed the bill on the printer wont make its money),because what good is a printer without ink ? Just like shaving razors, so hence the name

so ,if you were to apply that method to VR right now ,do you really think it would do well? Let's just say that all the equipment required to get a capable gaming PC up and running in VR costed $50 , but the games would cost $150, or $100 ,how many games do you think VRbuyers would purchase ,before they said "nah this isnt worth it"? I would be genuinely surprised if consumers bought a second title beyond the first

But that's just my opinion

Interesting but I'm not sure applying a vexing ill conceived business model such as what you outline with the "razor and blades" initiative ever really works well from the consumer side.

If one could have a free or low cost GTX 1080 Ti, Titan or RTX 2080 Ti video card but couldn't use it to run any existing games; rather one could only use these new cards with new ~$150 title games,....how many would go for that gleefully,.....!?! Not many I would wager.

You see, apply this model to just about anything and you'll get consumer resentment. People have a tendency to pick up on when they are being subjected to predatory business practices (if not immediately then eventually).

FWIW, with printers I would buy ~$30 to ~$40 inkjet printers and give them away when the ink ran out. Then start the cycle over again. Until I found a printer I really liked that is.

Also, for what its worth, it is rumored that Valve will be releasing a new HMD at cost. Whatever, that cost miay be.

jboydgolferIts still on life support :)

It needs more time. The giant bulky head set, the wires, space limitations. there's enough immersion breaking hurdles ,that make it less immersive than traditional PC gameplay imo. It just needs "more". Its impressive, & cool, but a great way to determine the feasibility of a given product is to apply the "razor and blade" model to it hypothetically & honesty think if it would survive.

If you're unfamiliar, the "razor and blades" model is when you provide the main item at a minimal to no-cost, and have refillable items which is where you actually make your money that are required for the main item to function . Very similar to printers and printer ink. You can often get a decent printer for $50 or less, and they're often sold at a loss or low profit, because manufacturers know they can sell ink at a ridiculously high mark up (which is why there are now chips in ink cartridges to determine if they are "genuine ink" since if you buy your ink from another seller the company that footed the bill on the printer wont make its money),because what good is a printer without ink ? Just like shaving razors, so hence the name

so ,if you were to apply that method to VR right now ,do you really think it would do well? Let's just say that all the equipment required to get a capable gaming PC up and running in VR costed $50 , but the games would cost $150, or $100 ,how many games do you think VRbuyers would purchase ,before they said "nah this isnt worth it"? I would be genuinely surprised if consumers bought a second title beyond the first

But that's just my opinion

Razor and blades model, I love it. Scored a few dozen 'Your First Shave' Gilette promotionals the other day, Im set for 2019 :D

But it won't be working for VR. They'll never give away HMDs so this razor and blade model... Im not seeing it. All I see is overpriced razors... and the blades go dull after one or two runs.

silentbogoIt's not that at all.
Valve is simply using NVidia's recent frame interpolation algo for generating slo-mo or high-FPS videos from low-FPS source.
Basically, minimal work, minimal R&D, and ready-to-use inference algorithm (just a slightly different application).
I mean this, but in real-time:

Bluray software already does this by creating frames using my AMD card from awhile ago. It also sharpens, denoises, and corrects the color. All those slowdowns are something already done with movie software, their implementation just for VR looks blurry and shitty.

THis sounds a lot like interpolation like what those TV's from the 2011's called 120hz when in fact they're really just 60hz using interpolation or frame buffering.

INput lag Garbage!

Why don't they use Variable refresh rates? Like Freesync or Gsync?

I had to turn off the motion smoothing feature because it was causing visual artifacts in Elite Dangerous. Specifically I was seeing motion overshoot issues in the contrasting menu highlight bar when I moved it around. It was massively annoying and was causing extra eye strain.