Monday, February 18th 2019
AMD Radeon VII Retested With Latest Drivers
Just two weeks ago, AMD released their Radeon VII flagship graphics card. It is based on the new Vega 20 GPU, which is the world's first graphics processor built using a 7 nanometer production process. Priced at $699, the new card offers performance levels 20% higher than Radeon RX Vega 64, which should bring it much closer to NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2080. In our testing we still saw a 14% performance deficit compared to RTX 2080. For the launch-day reviews AMD provided media outlets with a press driver dated January 22, 2019, which we used for our review.
Since the first reviews went up, people in online communities have been speculating that these were early drivers and that new drivers will significantly boost the performance of Radeon VII, to make up lost ground over RTX 2080. There's also the mythical "fine wine" phenomenon where performance of Radeon GPUs significantly improve over time, incrementally. We've put these theories to the test by retesting Radeon VII using AMD's latest Adrenalin 2019 19.2.2 drivers, using our full suite of graphics card benchmarks.In the chart below, we show the performance deltas compared to our original review, for each title three resolutions are tested: 1920x1080, 2560x1440, 3840x2160 (in that order).
Please do note that these results include performance gained by the washer mod and thermal paste change that we had to do when reassembling of the card. These changes reduced hotspot temperatures by around 10°C, allowing the card to boost a little bit higher. To verify what performance improvements were due to the new driver, and what was due to the thermal changes, we first retested the card using the original press driver (with washer mod and TIM). The result was +0.2% improved performance.
Using the latest 19.2.2 drivers added +0.45% on top of that, for a total improvement of +0.653%. Taking a closer look at the results we can see that two specific titles have seen significant gains due to the new driver version. Assassin's Creed Odyssey, and Battlefield V both achieve several-percent improvements, looks like AMD has worked some magic in those games, to unlock extra performance. The remaining titles see small, but statistically significant gains, suggesting that there are some "global" tweaks that AMD can implement to improve performance across the board, but unsurprisingly, these gains are smaller than title-specific optimizations.
Looking further ahead, it seems plausible that AMD can increase performance of Radeon VII down the road, even though we have doubts that enough optimizations can be discovered to match RTX 2080, maybe if suddenly a lot of developers jump on the DirectX 12 bandwagon (which seems unlikely). It's also a question of resources, AMD can't waste time and money to micro-optimize every single title out there. Rather the company seems to be doing the right thing: invest into optimizations for big, popular titles, like Battlefield V and Assassin's Creed. Given how many new titles are coming out using Unreal Engine 4, and how much AMD is lagging behind in those titles, I'd focus on optimizations for UE4 next.
Since the first reviews went up, people in online communities have been speculating that these were early drivers and that new drivers will significantly boost the performance of Radeon VII, to make up lost ground over RTX 2080. There's also the mythical "fine wine" phenomenon where performance of Radeon GPUs significantly improve over time, incrementally. We've put these theories to the test by retesting Radeon VII using AMD's latest Adrenalin 2019 19.2.2 drivers, using our full suite of graphics card benchmarks.In the chart below, we show the performance deltas compared to our original review, for each title three resolutions are tested: 1920x1080, 2560x1440, 3840x2160 (in that order).
Please do note that these results include performance gained by the washer mod and thermal paste change that we had to do when reassembling of the card. These changes reduced hotspot temperatures by around 10°C, allowing the card to boost a little bit higher. To verify what performance improvements were due to the new driver, and what was due to the thermal changes, we first retested the card using the original press driver (with washer mod and TIM). The result was +0.2% improved performance.
Using the latest 19.2.2 drivers added +0.45% on top of that, for a total improvement of +0.653%. Taking a closer look at the results we can see that two specific titles have seen significant gains due to the new driver version. Assassin's Creed Odyssey, and Battlefield V both achieve several-percent improvements, looks like AMD has worked some magic in those games, to unlock extra performance. The remaining titles see small, but statistically significant gains, suggesting that there are some "global" tweaks that AMD can implement to improve performance across the board, but unsurprisingly, these gains are smaller than title-specific optimizations.
Looking further ahead, it seems plausible that AMD can increase performance of Radeon VII down the road, even though we have doubts that enough optimizations can be discovered to match RTX 2080, maybe if suddenly a lot of developers jump on the DirectX 12 bandwagon (which seems unlikely). It's also a question of resources, AMD can't waste time and money to micro-optimize every single title out there. Rather the company seems to be doing the right thing: invest into optimizations for big, popular titles, like Battlefield V and Assassin's Creed. Given how many new titles are coming out using Unreal Engine 4, and how much AMD is lagging behind in those titles, I'd focus on optimizations for UE4 next.
182 Comments on AMD Radeon VII Retested With Latest Drivers
I mean over time, there will be more and more refinements as their driver teams discover more and more ways to optimize. Right now, this seems more like a bug fix and stability check update to the drivers more than anything.
"Mythical" eh? Yay, that feeling aspect of AMD products is really something special now, isn't it?
I mean, there should be reasons $139 1050Ti outsells 1.5-2 times faster 570 priced at $99, shouldn't there?
The average user might not even have an FPS counter on, they just look at the "safe" option.
They see nVidia / Intel on system requirements they buy that.
There is the same story of 280/280x vs 960, which was a terrible thing to buy, if one had to buy from green, 970 was there.
But it seems to be hard to accept that hordes of consumers make ill informed GPU purchases, for some reason.
RX570 is the intended competitor of GTX1060 3GB.
GTX1050Ti is the intended competitor of RX560.
Pricing in the lowend and midrage is FUBAR.
Nope. If I pay for full price on day 1 I expect full performance on day 1.
It's on;y when you take those optimizations and try to apply them to all hardware that you can get in trouble. But besides a couple of titles that went overboard with hairworks, I don't recall developers being that dumb.
7970 was the last good AMD GPU. It's been 7 years.
AMDs GPU business is in a worse state than ever now. I miss ATi.
Fury X, Vega 64 and now Radeon VII - All cards have been a complete joke.
7970
6970
5870
4870
x1900
x1950xtx
x850
9800 pro
You might discover interesting things, if you check how results were changing over time in TP charts.
Fury used to beat 980Ti only at 4k at launch (and even then, barely) at 1440p it was about 10% behind:
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/31.html
And were are we now:
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_64/31.html
From 10% behind to several % ahead. Not bad, is it?
And one more point: FineWine in general refers to graceful aging of AMD cards, especially in contrast with that nVidia does with its customers.
Not about some magic dust coming into play later on or AMD purposefully crippling it at launch (the way certain other company does)
FineWine doesn't refer to "graceful aging of AMD cards". It refers to AMD not being able to provide proper drivers at the time of launch. So with Nvidia you get that extra 10% the first day, and with AMD you have to wait.
Basically, you just said that instead of getting $1000 today you'd rather get by monthly installments over a year, because then you'd have the sense of earning money.
Also, I would love to learn a way to revoke your rating rights, because you're just running around giving a -1 to anyone who doesn't share your love for Radeon chips. It undermines the already little sense that ranking system has.