Thursday, May 9th 2019

AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
AMD is giving finishing touches to its 3rd generation Ryzen socket AM4 processor family which is slated for a Computex 2019 unveiling, followed by a possible E3 market availability. Based on the "Matisse" multi-chip module that combines up to two 8-core "Zen 2" chiplets with a 14 nm I/O controller die, these processors see a 50-100 percent increase in core-counts over the current generation. The Ryzen 5 series now includes 8-core/16-thread parts, the Ryzen 7 series chips are 12-core/24-thread, while the newly created Ryzen 9 series (designed to rival Intel Core i9 LGA115x), will include 16-core/32-thread chips.
Thai PC enthusiast TUM_APISAK confirmed the existence of the Ryzen 9 series having landed himself with an engineering sample of the 16-core/32-thread chip that ticks at 3.30 GHz with 4.30 GHz Precision Boost frequency. The infamous Adored TV leaks that drew the skeleton of AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen roadmap, referenced two desktop Ryzen 9 parts, the Ryzen 9 3800X and Ryzen 9 3850X. The 3800X is supposed to be clocked at 3.90 GHz with 4.70 GHz boost, with a TDP rating of 125W, while the 3850X tops the charts at 4.30 GHz base and a staggering 5.10 GHz boost. The rated TDP has shot up to 135W. We can now imagine why some motherboard vendors are selective with BIOS updates on some of their lower-end boards. AMD is probably maximizing the clock-speed headroom of these chips out of the box, to preempt Intel's "Comet Lake" 10-core/20-thread processor.
Sources:
TUM_Apisak, Tom's Hardware
Thai PC enthusiast TUM_APISAK confirmed the existence of the Ryzen 9 series having landed himself with an engineering sample of the 16-core/32-thread chip that ticks at 3.30 GHz with 4.30 GHz Precision Boost frequency. The infamous Adored TV leaks that drew the skeleton of AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen roadmap, referenced two desktop Ryzen 9 parts, the Ryzen 9 3800X and Ryzen 9 3850X. The 3800X is supposed to be clocked at 3.90 GHz with 4.70 GHz boost, with a TDP rating of 125W, while the 3850X tops the charts at 4.30 GHz base and a staggering 5.10 GHz boost. The rated TDP has shot up to 135W. We can now imagine why some motherboard vendors are selective with BIOS updates on some of their lower-end boards. AMD is probably maximizing the clock-speed headroom of these chips out of the box, to preempt Intel's "Comet Lake" 10-core/20-thread processor.
197 Comments on AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
Apparently AMD is kind of crap when it comes to memory validation, they mostly leave that up to the motherboard makers.
So there's at least a detail that those of you considering getting Ryzen 3000 should consider, get memory that's on QVL, as with current boards, as those modules should work the best, anything else is down to luck.
You're the one going around doing the name calling. You're the one making a fool of yourself. You've already decided on your point of view and you have no intention of changing that. So what happens when the products launch and it turns out that you're wrong? Are you going to apologise to everyone you've called a liar then?
You just keep going back to the same bad logic that you have decided in your head is the only way things can be.
Once again, Ryzen 3000 was supposed to launch sometime after CES, say February/March, but was delayed due to the X570 chipset and motherboards not being ready for prime time. So obviously AMD would have already worked out all the CPU details by December and was ready to make an initial announcement at CES and tell their customers about pricing, etc. at the show. This seems to be an impossible concept for you to grasp, why?
Until you can prove that his information is false, you can't say that. I'm trying to tell you that he's within spitting distance. No more than 5-10% here or there. Obviously you don't care about someone trying to confirm things either, as who am I? How can I possibly know anything about this, I'm just some dude on a forum. Depends on how many cores you want...
For pure gaming i don't think you will notice anything, especially with a 60Hz monitor. But if you stream and play i guess there will be a reasonably priced 6 or 8 core Ryzen 3000 for you :)
Sure, binning takes place near the end of production, but targets are there long in advance.
The reason why the 2700x and such never passed 4.4GHz (if you where lucky) is purely due to the silicon's limitation. They have opted for a power efficient chip and thats what they got. They knew upon the 2nd revision what to aim for and how to get the clocks up. Add some sauce of efficiency on it and you can pack alot more cores then the first generation without exceeding the power enveloppe.
This looks very promissing, as my 2700x is not even at my system for - 3 months or so, and already releasing a big tank with 16 cores and 32 threads. Right now i'm very saturated
Put it another way, will we get to a point where manufacturing process is so good that binning will become a thing of the past?
Binning is very much needed, as the quality of the chips are not consistent.
Also, each node jump have changes in materials, sizes of gates, wires etc. This needs more tweaking and calibration for the next nodes.
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I have some A2 B-die here that should be good for 4500+ MHz with relative ease; so I'll be looking to see what it can do. :D
And technically everything about Zen 2 is rumor, up to the point of reviews hitting the homes of avarage computer dudes, the unwashed streets of Soho (or whereever gangs of computer dudes roam).
Anywhoo. Me I'm mostly interested in the sub €200 market. I've started the process of ripping my DVD's and my little Haswell i3 is definitely showing its age. High end parts are fun and all but .. eh.
I mean it is very simple. If word from the horses mouth is 'we're still in engineering sample stage' then that is a timeline you'd expect for a launch several months later. Yet here we have a random poster on the internet claiming chips were actually ready to hit retail whilst Su was standing on stage indicating the opposite?! Because you claim the launch was only delayed by the mobos.
Please tell me I have read your claims wrong.
It's indeed very simple, if in December they'd set out the planned SKU and pricing, but had a change of heart, they could easily change the story at CES. It's not hard to do, simply go up on stage and say, hey, here's an engineer sample, rather than saying hey, here's our new chip which will launch in a couple of months. That's not very hard to do.
I didn't claim it was only the motherboards, that's the part of the story I know. If there's more to it, then it's information I don't have.
You really like to twist and turn things, no? But whatever, you're not in the industry, so you don't know what's been going, nor what's going on. It used to be Tottenham Court Road, Soho was a bit too scary for the computer dudes, but actually just a stones throw away...
Used to work in that neighbourhood, twice in fact. Sadly there aren't much left of interest, as most of the electrics and computer shops are closed. I didn't work in a shop though.
You first claimed Ryzen 3000 was intended to launch in Feb/March but AMD held back because of mobo chipset delay. Then it was pointed out to you Lisa Su could only show an early engineering sample in Feb, your window for the intended launch. So any launch then, intended or otherwise, was impossible.
So now you're saying actually something went 'pear shaped' with the CPUs themselves to scupper these plans.
So in this world of fiction of yours, AMD had set out every Ryzen CPU and APU in December with all the base/boost clocks and prices for the complete line-up, which explains your undying belief in AdoredTV's fake chart, as these CPUs were ready to release in Feb/March. But sometime between Dec and Feb, these plans all went pear shaped shaped so Lisa Su was asked to stand up on stage at CES and pretend that the CPUs are all in eng. sample stage still, and will launch 'summer 2019' now instead.
I mean just read that back to yourself and ponder whether it sounds plausible considering there were little or no Zen 2 engineering samples before Dec 2018. If launch was planned for Feb/March we would have seen several engineering samples in September, October or earlier.
Lisa Su showed the sample in early January, CES is usually in the first or second week of January, not February. So who's making crap up now?
Again, read what I wrote, it's easy to call anything an engineering sample, if you have never shown i to anyone outside the company before, no?
I never said something went pear shaped with the CPUs, again, your interpretation. I said "something clearly went pear shaped and at least one of the issues was the lack of chipset" which if you could read, implies that there might have been other issues than the lack of the chipset, but I don't know if this is/was the case or not.
I never mentioned the APUs, I have no knowledge about them. Please stop trying to add things in to the discussion that I have not talked about.
I also never said I have undying belief in AdoredTV's charts. I had information about Ryzen 3000 before he posted his chart. I can't share that information here though, since that might cause issues for people I'm friends with and I don't do that to friends. I have a file on my desktop from the 4th of October 2018 with full chipset specs for X570. I can share that once we pass Computex if you'd like.
I have no reason to rely on on AdoredTV, I work in the tech industry and have done for most of my life, I have my own connections and sources.
I don't know what you do for a living, but tell me something, plans never change in your job? I don't know how many times plans have changed in my various jobs that I've had since I started working. Products are delayed last minute, product specs change last minute, etc. Shit, I worked for a company that launched a product on Kickstarter, two months before the planned shipping date and with a finished product, we scrapped it, as it was crap and started over from scratch and delayed everything six months, although it ended up being a year in the end due to various reason. So yes, I do believe AMD did exactly this. Something changed in their plans and they changed the presentation at CES accordingly.
Considering how late the motherboard makers got CPU samples for Ryzen 1000, yes, it's very plausible. In fact, they only got their final ES samples this past week. AMD did a tour of the board makers in Taiwan this week and handed out samples and did some testing with the board makers. Can I prove this to you? No. But I know it happened. You can believe it or not. I'm guessing part of the reason for that is that they didn't want too many details to leak before the launch. Has the board makers had CPUs before that? Yes, they've had chips since last year, just not at the correct clock speeds. It's a great way to prevent leaks. Taiwan and China and leaky sieves when it comes to these things and let's assume the AdoredTV charts are right and AMD has a corker of a product, would they want that to leak ahead of the launch? Most likely not, as they want it to be a big surprise. I know for a fact that much of the rumours are true, but go on, feel free to doubt it, but I do hope you'll come back here an apologise in public once the products launch, if it turns out you were wrong.
I don't recall what the early roadmaps said about the launch of Zen 2, but if in fact it was delayed it happened way before December. By the signs the public have seen of the lacking ramp-up of Zen 2, it couldn't have launched in February, even if the node was ready. The ramp-up seems to have started around February and we are now in (3), which should indicate we are soon approaching the launch window.
I think the rumors about a launch at CES was a mix of wishful thinking and too much reading between the lines. It was pretty clear from that Lisa said that they were far away from launch, and the reason why she didn't want to commit to a date is because she knew there was still some uncertainty.
And BTW; chipset specs shouldn't change after tapeout, which happens ~1 year ahead of launch.
You two are speculating a lot, which you're free to do, but at the same time, you then need to accept that others have the same right.
I know for a fact that certain things have happened, I don't know why and I don't have all the details. I know what to expect from Ryzen 3000 in terms of clock speeds and even performance to a degree. I have seen hardware. What I can't do, is share exact details of that here, since I've given my word not to do so and it's something I stand by. If you chose to believe me or not, is up to you. We only have a few weeks to go, but I hope you two are at least big enough as people that you can admit that you have called people names for the wrong reasons once the product launch.
You're also following the Intel way when it comes to how you explain how things are done and yes, this is how they do things, I know that very well. However, AMD doesn't do things in the same logical way and the motherboard makers have to take a much larger share of the workload when it comes to develop the platforms compared to when they work with Intel. So don't bet on your believes being the only way things are done.
I mentioned APUs as AdoredTv included every Ryzen 3000 series APU in his chart back in December alongside the CPUs, which is rather laughable on its own as these may launch in 2020 as they're getting refreshed on 12nm this year.
And in terms of plans changing, sure, but there's a difference between Kickstarter and a billion dollar company.
And my only contention is that AdoredTV's numbers are guesses or fake, as I keep repeating, 4.3Ghz base clock on a 16-core CPU is not happening, nor is 4.2Ghz base clock on a 12-core (his numbers). I will not be making a public apology regarding this as no SKU will have these base clock frequencies.
I'm anticipating boost clocks between 4.6-4.8Ghz, and if AdoredTV's figures are 'close' to these, that's no vindication at all of his chart as anyone can make an educated guess. What wasn't educated is 4.3Ghz and 4.2Ghz base clocks, which is the giveaway the numbers are fake.