Thursday, May 9th 2019

AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
AMD is giving finishing touches to its 3rd generation Ryzen socket AM4 processor family which is slated for a Computex 2019 unveiling, followed by a possible E3 market availability. Based on the "Matisse" multi-chip module that combines up to two 8-core "Zen 2" chiplets with a 14 nm I/O controller die, these processors see a 50-100 percent increase in core-counts over the current generation. The Ryzen 5 series now includes 8-core/16-thread parts, the Ryzen 7 series chips are 12-core/24-thread, while the newly created Ryzen 9 series (designed to rival Intel Core i9 LGA115x), will include 16-core/32-thread chips.
Thai PC enthusiast TUM_APISAK confirmed the existence of the Ryzen 9 series having landed himself with an engineering sample of the 16-core/32-thread chip that ticks at 3.30 GHz with 4.30 GHz Precision Boost frequency. The infamous Adored TV leaks that drew the skeleton of AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen roadmap, referenced two desktop Ryzen 9 parts, the Ryzen 9 3800X and Ryzen 9 3850X. The 3800X is supposed to be clocked at 3.90 GHz with 4.70 GHz boost, with a TDP rating of 125W, while the 3850X tops the charts at 4.30 GHz base and a staggering 5.10 GHz boost. The rated TDP has shot up to 135W. We can now imagine why some motherboard vendors are selective with BIOS updates on some of their lower-end boards. AMD is probably maximizing the clock-speed headroom of these chips out of the box, to preempt Intel's "Comet Lake" 10-core/20-thread processor.
Sources:
TUM_Apisak, Tom's Hardware
Thai PC enthusiast TUM_APISAK confirmed the existence of the Ryzen 9 series having landed himself with an engineering sample of the 16-core/32-thread chip that ticks at 3.30 GHz with 4.30 GHz Precision Boost frequency. The infamous Adored TV leaks that drew the skeleton of AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen roadmap, referenced two desktop Ryzen 9 parts, the Ryzen 9 3800X and Ryzen 9 3850X. The 3800X is supposed to be clocked at 3.90 GHz with 4.70 GHz boost, with a TDP rating of 125W, while the 3850X tops the charts at 4.30 GHz base and a staggering 5.10 GHz boost. The rated TDP has shot up to 135W. We can now imagine why some motherboard vendors are selective with BIOS updates on some of their lower-end boards. AMD is probably maximizing the clock-speed headroom of these chips out of the box, to preempt Intel's "Comet Lake" 10-core/20-thread processor.
197 Comments on AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast
If you claim that Zen 2 was to release in February/March, something that runs contrary to the established knowledge/baseline, then you're the one who have to prove something.
Proving a negative is hard/impossible, but as I've pointed out there is a lack of telltale signs of an impending release, signs that we have seen popping up afterwards and even you have acknowledged, evidence pointing to a release in the "middle" of the year, just like Lisa said during CES, so I don't have to prove anything. As I've said several times in this thread already, there is nothing wrong in speculating.
But there are not really any speculation in the post you quoted.
Why do you keep pretending that I say things that I don't? Calm down. If your case is strong, you should be able to make your case without insulting people. There are probably hundreds or more who have some degree of access to NDA'ed information or engineering samples at this point, and I don't doubt that, but that doesn't mean you have access to every detail. And there are certain information which are not available until close to release, even for AMD's own engineering team, simply because the details are not ready yet. I have stated the fact that people can't know a fact before it exists, and those who claim to are lying, that is not name calling, that's pretty much what the definitions of what facts and speculation are. And this has nothing to do with AMD, this is the same for all of the makers, and have nothing to do with how good Zen 2 turns out to be. Speculation is speculation no matter how accurate it turns out to be.
Am I Jim? No. Is Jim my source? No.
Yes and No. You clearly have never developed a product.
Well, you believe whatever you want to believe. I know a few of the clocks, but I've promised not to share the information, but let's just say it can be done. I really do expect you to apologise to both me and Jim when the time comes. You're incredibly stubborn for someone that has zero information about the topic you're discussing. I have nothing more or less to prove than you do. I'm not the one arguing that the leaks are a lie.
I don't have to speculate, I know facts. I never said I have all the facts.
Dude, no offence, but I'm going to block you, as your logic is so flawed I can't deal with you any more.
Nobody should be having hurt feelings here. Tech discussion should be fun, first and foremost.
That doesn't mean we should spread misinformation though.
How about you do a re-take of that one? Check the previous flagship MSDT 7700k vs the lowly 2400G :rolleyes:
There are still scenarios where faster cores are needed more than additional cores, but those are the only saving grace left for the current generation of Intel CPUs. If Zen2 closes that gap, Intel is going to need Ice Lake like ultra-fast.
Yes..it's ok on HEDT... it's a workstation platform. A distinct segment from the rest. More cores on mainstream help fewer people directly.
Core count is becoming the new MHz race. And I don't have anything against building what is essentially a better CPU overall, it's just that many people are wasting money by not corroborating what a CPU can do with their actual needs.
That said, I understand innovation and moving forward. I do appreciate the increased IPC and clocks as well as the imminent price drops we are likely to see if these perform well enough.
The real winners here, and I've said this before, are the cheap quad/hex/octo w/SMT. Much more than that, few need to care.
TLDR; most real-world tasks can't scale across an arbitrary number of cores, so unless you're running more tasks or you're running more typical servers, more and more cores is only going to give you diminishing returns, and even lower performance if you at some point have to sacrifice core performance for more cores.
Single core performance is essential and will become only more important in the next years, even for those processes which uses many threads, due to the synchronization overhead. But the clockspeed race seems to be nearly over, so future gains will come from IPC increases.