efikkanIt's a common misunderstanding that multicore scaling is primarily a lack of good software. I explained this some more here.
TLDR; most real-world tasks can't scale across an arbitrary number of cores, so unless you're running more tasks or you're running more typical servers, more and more cores is only going to give you diminishing returns, and even lower performance if you at some point have to sacrifice core performance for more cores.

Single core performance is essential and will become only more important in the next years, even for those processes which uses many threads, due to the synchronization overhead. But the clockspeed race seems to be nearly over, so future gains will come from IPC increases.

bugUnfortunately, understanding all that requires programming knowledge. Most people don't have that.

At some point I crossed paths with a guy with several years of programming experience, rather well regarded within his team. When tasked with something that required a mild amount of concurrency, he said "I'm going to need some time to get familiar with this threading thing". So if a guy programming for a living can do that, good luck explaining cores and threads to the layman.

efikkanSure. My main point is that it's not just lack of willingness to adapt multithreading, hard problems are actually hard to solve.

Your story doesn't surprise me at all. Of all the programmers I've dealt with over more than a decade and a half, probably less than 5% is at that level of competence to deal with problems this complex. Even a typical programmer with 10 years of experience wouldn't even fully grasp the problem, even if explained in detail. The wast majority of programmers don't touch anything this low level, like web developers, app developers and most writing enterprise software in Java or C#, so they never develop an understanding of how it works.

bugWell, if you think about it, higher level languages actually trivialize multi-threading (think Java's executors, Erlang's spawn or Go's goroutines). The fact that even with this help programs don't fully load cores is further proof things we routinely do don't really need that many cores.

efikkanThis only really works if you're writing something that spawns independent worker threads, and each of them do a fairly large chunk of work(so the average overhead becomes small). This mostly applies to typical server workloads, and is hard to apply efficiently in normal desktop applications.
Some languages have ways to distribute functions across several worker threads, but it usually creates more synchronization overhead and problems than it solves.

NdMk2o1oSo octo cores are OK now they're mainstream but anymore and it's a no no. Gotcha, let us know when it's OK by you when we can use more than 8 cores

bugBuying CPUs by the core disregarding your actual needs is a no no, but seemingly also beyond your comprehension ability.
Where the hell did you pull that 8 core limitation from anyway?

EarthDogThe real winners here, and I've said this before, are the cheap quad/hex/octo w/SMT. Much more than that, few need to care.

NdMk2o1oSo octo cores are OK now they're mainstream but anymore and it's a no no. Gotcha, let us know when it's OK by you when we can use more than 8 cores

AquinusHonestly, if this pans out to be true, I might consider going with this 16c chip. I'm already at the point of thinking about upgrading since X79, at this point, is a pretty dated platform and I wanted to replace it with a 2950X, but if I can get 16c/32t for 500 USD instead of 800, I'm all for it (forget the cost of a TR motherboard.) In reality I don't need all of that PCIe goodness and if dual-channel DDR4 can keep at least 12c/24t fully fed under memory intensive tasks, then I think I found my next upgrade.

I've waited this long, so let's just wait and see what happens. :D

TheLostSwedeExpect X570 boards to be pricey. This might be a reason why AMD is keeping the CPU prices on the low. Don't expect the exact pricing from AdoredTV's leak though, as prices have changed since then. Two weeks to go...

TheLostSwedeExpect X570 boards to be pricey. This might be a reason why AMD is keeping the CPU prices on the low. Don't expect the exact pricing from AdoredTV's leak though, as prices have changed since then. Two weeks to go...

lsevaldWhat is driving the price of x570 boards up so much? I guess we can previous generation boards if its that bad?

lsevaldWhat is driving the price of x570 boards up so much? I guess we can previous generation boards if its that bad?

AquinusExpensive, sure, but TR expensive? Probably not. We'll know soon enough. :D

LeakedWill the 16 Cores released later or with the other CPUs?

lsevaldWhat is driving the price of x570 boards up so much? I guess we can previous generation boards if its that bad?

HTCPossibly the lack of volume with the X570 chipsets? I've read the reason Zen 2 had been delayed was for it to wait for the chipset because the CPUs themselves were ready for a while, but i'm not 100% sure if this is true or not.

OTOH, it could very well be board makers attempting to squeeze us consumers ...

TheLostSwedeProbably not, but expect a $30-50 premium over current boards, if the board makers don't shoulder any of the cost.

juisemanJust remember; we would all still be on 4 cores if AMD didn't force the 6 and 8 core CPU's into the mainstream.
AMD doing good is good for everybody. AMD or Intel fans.
I'm all Intel now myself; but if AMD puts out a good CPU at a good price; I could make use of all those extra cores..
There is a large amount of people that would say the same.