Sunday, June 9th 2019

Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming"

AMD is on the verge of launching its 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors that are widely expected to take the performance crown from Intel. At its Computex 2019 reveal, AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su claimed that these processors beat the competition in all areas, including gaming. Motherboard manufacturers threw their weight behind AMD by pulling out their most premium brands for the AMD "Valhalla" desktop platform that consists of these processors, mated with an AMD X570 chipset motherboard. Ahead of its E3 2019 keynote Monday afternoon, Intel has come out with a challenge. Chipzilla dares AMD to beat it in "real-world gaming."

At its "gaming performance for the real world" address in Los Angeles Jon Carvill, VP of marketing, challenged AMD to beat it in real world gaming with its upcoming processors. "So you're going to hear a lot about gaming CPUs this week," he began. "They may or may not come from certain three letter acronyms. That said, here's what I want to challenge you. I want to challenge you to challenge them. If they want this crown come beat us in in real world gaming, real world gaming should be the defining criteria that we use to assess the world's best gaming CPU. I challenge you to challenge anyone that wants to compete for this crown to come meet us in real world gaming. That's the measure that we're going to stand by."
AMD's latest stab at Intel is the "Zen 2" microarchitecture at the heart of the new Ryzen 9 3900X 12-core/24-thread processor, leading a gaming-focused processor lineup that also includes the Ryzen 7 8-core/16-thread, and Ryzen 5 3600X 6-core/12-thread. These processors feature a 10% increase in clock-speeds, and a whopping 15 percent increase in IPC over the current "Zen+" The processors, when combined with motherboards based on the AMD X570 chipset, also put out a total of 40 PCI-Express gen 4.0 lanes. Unlike previous generations, much of AMD's engineering effort has been focused on shoring up gaming performance. The company is explicitly marketing these processors as "Gaming CPUs." The processors launch on the 7th of July.
Source: PCGamesN
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96 Comments on Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming"

#26
IceShroom
Didn't Intel recently said that benchmark dont matter, quality of service matter!!! :rolleyes:
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#27
Easo
Intel? Have you ever heard of a term price/performance? Or is it too much... glued... together for you?
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#28
PanicLake
MistralIntel is 5% to 10% faster on average at the moment, while being a good deal more expensive. What are they evening making noise about?
Good evening to you too sir.
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#30
micropage7
they should use krunker.io for gaming test
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#31
Crackong
rtwjunkieWell I am completely at a loss then why he even mentioned that.
So you have no idea how CS:GO is optimized.
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#32
XiGMAKiD
What is "real world gaming", is it the kind of gaming where as long as it runs smoothly it doesn't matter if the fps is just 70 instead of 80 or 90, or is it the kind of gaming where you need at least 144fps 0.1% lows?
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#33
DeathtoGnomes
XzibitI don't expect AMD to win but if they keep getting closer and closer, AMD looks better. Intel by try'n to call them out will just bring more attention to AMDs already solidified value position.

I just find it all silly because Intel is calling on people to challenge them


Like hiding behind a buffer in case things don't go your way.
The challenge is carefully worded to act as a smoke screen, Intel is not challenging anyone here directly. Its calling the on everyone to run naked in the street, something you wouldnt do yourself. I somehow doubt Intel could create a fair challenge and live up to it, while AMD fudges numbers to look better via press releases.
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#34
Metroid
DeathtoGnomesThe challenge is carefully worded to act as a smoke screen, Intel is not challenging anyone here directly. Its calling the on everyone to run naked in the street, something you wouldnt do yourself. I somehow doubt Intel could create a fair challenge and live up to it, while AMD fudges numbers to look better via press releases.
AMD have always posted much better results than what it product offers, so people are careful to base things just yet, I remember people were like this to intel back in 2006 with Conroe. I guess amd with bulldozer made people rethink what is real and what is "want it to be real". If intel is challenging amd x single thread then they know things we dont, so we have to wait for reviews before we start pointing fingers here.

Funny, back in 2006, amd wanted to overshadow intel's conroe by buying ati. This time Intel is doing the same in a different way.
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#35
qcmadness
MetroidAMD have always posted much better results than what it product offers, so people are careful to base things just yet, I remember people were like this to intel back in 2006 with Conroe. I guess amd with bulldozer made people rethink what is real and what is "want it to be real". If intel is challenging amd x single thread then they know things we dont, so we have to wait for reviews before we start pointing fingers here.

Funny, back in 2006, amd wanted to overshadow intel's conroe by buying ati. This time Intel is doing the same in a different way.
AMD bought ATi because AMD knew Intel would step up in IGP.
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#36
Metroid
qcmadnessAMD bought ATi because AMD knew Intel would step up in IGP.
The date coincides, july, july ehhe

That was the worst mistake amd ever did to some extent, amd bought ati for 6 billion and few years later amd itself was worth less than that hehe

"On July 24, 2006, a joint announcement revealed that Advanced Micro Devices would acquire ATI in a deal valued at $5.6 billion.[8] The acquisition consideration closed on October 25, 2006,[9] and included over $2 billion financed from a loan and 56 million shares of AMD stock.[10] ATI's operations became part of the AMD Graphics Product Group (GPG),[11] and ATI's CEO Dave Orton became the Executive Vice President of Visual and Media Businesses at AMD until his resignation in 2007.[12] The top-level management was reorganized with the Senior Vice President and General Manager, and the Senior Vice President and General Manager of Consumer Electronics Group, both of whom would report to the CEO of AMD.[13] On 30 August 2010, John Trikola announced that AMD would retire the ATI brand for its graphics chipsets in favor of the AMD name.[14] "

Core 2 Duo E6600
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#%22Conroe%22_(65_nm,_1333_MT/s)

At that time nvidia ceo was afraid of intel, few years later we see that was a failed assumption intel would compete x the gpu market and amd was thinking about their amazing fusion gpu hehe which came as an apu that we know today. Anyway, mistake or not, amd survived somehow because of the gpu market, some mistakes come to be good or maybe if amd had not done that then it could have used the money to build a worthy cpu successor of their fx line. Leading a company when all the cows are fat is easy, i want to see leading a company when the cows are starving hehe, lisa has my respect.
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#37
phill
Looking forward to the next release whatever happens :) This just makes me laugh from Intel.. Will a $500 CPU be faster than something that's $300?? Well you'd kinda hope so but.....
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#38
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
Real world Gaming Starts with the Budget for the Build

Build both PC's for the same budget (within say $40 difference between intel system and AMD system).
who wins Then...................
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#39
BorgOvermind
CrackongCS:GO - The Real World Gaming ?

I bet the 7700k will win on CS:GO benchmarks vs ANY AMD CPUs now and near future :roll:
I propose they do the benchmarking in UT99.
This game, set with no FPS limit, can still overheat most of today's CPUs and GPUs.
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#40
TheDeeGee
AMD should challenge Intel to make a CPU that isn't Swiss Cheese branded.
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#41
phanbuey
Musselsare they competing for 1080p 60FPS? 144FPS? 240?
What about 4k60?
Where do 'real gamers' draw the line?

Hell i just started gaming on my VR rig on my 4k TV last night with my ryzen 1400 and forgot it was at stock clocks after a BIOS update, and didnt frigging notice.
Haha +1

Has to be high FPS and game specific.
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#42
qcmadness
MetroidThe date coincides, july, july ehhe

That was the worst mistake amd ever did to some extent, amd bought ati for 6 billion and few years later amd itself was worth less than that hehe

"On July 24, 2006, a joint announcement revealed that Advanced Micro Devices would acquire ATI in a deal valued at $5.6 billion.[8] The acquisition consideration closed on October 25, 2006,[9] and included over $2 billion financed from a loan and 56 million shares of AMD stock.[10] ATI's operations became part of the AMD Graphics Product Group (GPG),[11] and ATI's CEO Dave Orton became the Executive Vice President of Visual and Media Businesses at AMD until his resignation in 2007.[12] The top-level management was reorganized with the Senior Vice President and General Manager, and the Senior Vice President and General Manager of Consumer Electronics Group, both of whom would report to the CEO of AMD.[13] On 30 August 2010, John Trikola announced that AMD would retire the ATI brand for its graphics chipsets in favor of the AMD name.[14] "

Core 2 Duo E6600
  • SL9S8 (B2)
  • SL9ZL (B2)
22.4 GHz4 MiB1066 MT/s0.85–1.5 V65 WLGA 775July 2006
  • HH80557PH0564M
  • BX80557E6600
$316


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#%22Conroe%22_(65_nm,_1333_MT/s)

At that time nvidia ceo was afraid of intel, few years later we see that was a failed assumption intel would compete x the gpu market and amd was thinking about their amazing fusion gpu hehe which came as an apu that we know today. Anyway, mistake or not, amd survived somehow because of the gpu market, some mistakes come to be good or maybe if amd had not done that then it could have used the money to build a worthy cpu successor of their fx line. Leading a company when all the cows are fat is easy, i want to see leading a company when the cows are starving hehe, lisa has my respect.
The sole reason that AMD did not merge with NVIDIA is that Huang demanded to be the CEO of the combined company.
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#43
nemesis.ie
In a few hours:

LS: "So, there was a bit of talk about our Ryzen 3000 series gaming performance - hold my beer, sorry, I mean't to say, Robert, I think you have some game demos for us? ...".
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#44
Octavean
Once Intel gets their exploit patches in place I bet my old Ti 83 graphing calculate from my College days can beat their best processor.

Seriously, get your $#!t together before talking smack like that.
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#45
TheGuruStud
OctaveanOnce Intel gets their exploit patches in place I bet my old Ti 83 graphing calculate from my College days can beat their best processor.

Seriously, get your $#!t together before talking smack like that.
Bullys always bluff. They're insecure.
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#46
trparky
OctaveanOnce Intel gets their exploit patches in place I bet my old Ti 83 graphing calculate from my College days can beat their best processor.

Seriously, get your $#!t together before talking smack like that.
Hey Intel... something about glass houses.
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#47
Zubasa
The last time I checked, PUBG was a very successful game in the "Real World".
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#48
kapone32
I laugh at this proposition from Intel. They do not have any traction in the innovation argument and can anyone who has a 7700K to a 9700K say that they have seen the performance improvements of those compared to Ryzen from 2017 vs today? This actually reminds me somewhat of the car industry before cars from Japan became popular. There was an oil crisis in the 70s at that time 1 out every 3 cars sold in North America were GM based. Then the Japanese came on the market. Most people who had North American made cars laughed at the imports especially when Hyundai released the pony. Intel like GM has been the king of the hill for over a decade and came out on top of the CPU wars of the 80s and 90s. Today AMD stands for one word for me, innovation. 8 core/16 thread CPUs for $199 that hit 4.0 GHZ then release a 6 core / 12 thread chip that can be had for under $199 with a 300 MHZ jump in clock speed. Now there is AMD news on forums everyday. Stadia, Samsung, PS5 are all for the consumer. Nvidia gives us Ray tracing (which is not new) and AMD responds that they will do it at the software level. As far as I am concerned Lisa Su should be exec of the year. It is so bad perceptively, (they cannot make enough chips to satisfy demand) for Intel that they have to resort to things like this and Cambridge Analytica debacle that happened when Ryzen was first released. Don't worry I did not forget about the 28 core CPU that was being cooled by a in home air conditioner. There are others too when AMD was surging before. I would suggest anyone who does not know read the Dell/Intel/AMD saga that Intel had to pay over 2 billion to settle.
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#49
srsbsns
If anyone from intel shows you 1080p or 720p benchmarks you can safely ignore their claims. I think 1080 is starting to be overtaken by 1440p for "real world gaming".
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#50
EarthDog
So, innovation means more cores (which already exist in HEDT) at a cheaper price than the competition and (an assumption) it's just as fast.

I'm glad they caught up, but at a high level, I dont see bringing more cores to a market which doesnt needed it, innovation. I call it moving the goal posts and watching the unadorned and ill advised get giddy. ;)
srsbsnsIf anyone from intel shows you 1080p or 720p benchmarks you can safely ignore their claims. I think 1080 is starting to be overtaken by 1440p for "real world gaming".
No.

Read the steam stats. A full 78% are using 720p and 1080p. 4.6% is on 2560x1440.
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