Friday, July 24th 2020
Intel 7nm CPUs Delayed by a Year, Alder Lake in 2H-2021, Other Commentary from Intel Management
Intel's silicon fabrication woes refuse to torment the company's product roadmaps, with the company disclosing in its Q2-2020 financial results release that the company's first CPUs built on the 7 nanometer silicon fabrication node are delayed by a year due to a further 6-month delay from prior expectations. The company will focus on getting its 10 nm node up to scale in the meantime.
The company mentioned that the 10 nm "Tiger Lake" mobile processor and "Ice Lake-SP" enterprise processor remains on-track for 2020. The company's 12th Generation Core "Alder Lake-S" desktop processors won't arrive before the second half of 2021. In the meantime, Intel will launch its 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake" processor on the 14 nm node, but with increased IPC from the new "Cypress Cove" CPU cores. Also in 2H-2021, the company will launch its "Sapphire Rapids" enterprise processors that come with next-gen connectivity and updated CPU cores.
It's interesting to note that Intel was specific about "CPU" when talking about 7 nm, meaning that Intel's foundry woes only affect its CPU product stack, and not a word was mentioned in the release about the company's discrete GPU and scalar compute processors that are being prototyped and validated. This is probably the biggest hint we'll ever get from Intel that the company's dGPUs are being designed for third-party foundries (such as Samsung or TSMC), and that the Xe dGPU product roadmap is disconnected from that of Intel's fabs.
Given the delays in Intel's 7 nm foundry node, the first Intel client-segment processors based on the node won't arrive before late-2022 or 2023, which means refinements of the current 10 nm silicon fabrication node should support Intel's client-segment product stack for the foreseeable future. The first enterprise 7 nm processors will arrive by the first half of 2023. Intel also mentioned that they expect to see "one full node improvement" from a refined 10 nanometer process, which isn't surprising, given how much experience they have improving their 14 nanometer process.
The company mentioned that the 10 nm "Tiger Lake" mobile processor and "Ice Lake-SP" enterprise processor remains on-track for 2020. The company's 12th Generation Core "Alder Lake-S" desktop processors won't arrive before the second half of 2021. In the meantime, Intel will launch its 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake" processor on the 14 nm node, but with increased IPC from the new "Cypress Cove" CPU cores. Also in 2H-2021, the company will launch its "Sapphire Rapids" enterprise processors that come with next-gen connectivity and updated CPU cores.
Intel is accelerating its transition to 10 nm products this year with increasing volumes and strong demand for an expanding line up. This includes a growing portfolio of 10 nm-based Intel Core processors with "Tiger Lake" launching soon, and the first 10 nm-based server CPU "Ice Lake," which remains planned for the end of this year. In the second half of 2021, Intel expects to deliver a new line of client CPU's (code-named "Alder Lake"), which will include its first 10 nm-based desktop CPU, and a new 10 nm-based server CPU (code-named "Sapphire Rapids"). The company's 7 nm-based CPU product timing is shifting approximately six months relative to prior expectations. The primary driver is the yield of Intel's 7 nm process, which based on recent data, is now trending approximately twelve months behind the company's internal target.Intel's post results call also revealed a handful interesting tentative dates. For starters, "Tiger Lake" is shipping in "a matter of weeks," indicating an imminent launch ahead of the "Back to School" shopping season. Next up, the company's high-performance scalar compute processor, codenamed "Ponte Vecchio" remains slated for 2021-22, and given that it's reportedly being designed for 7 nm, we have our next big hint confirmation that these dGPUs will be built on third-party 7 nm fabs. Intel did mention that the Foveros packaging technology could be further developed over the years, and its upcoming discrete GPUs could combine dies (tiles) from multiple sources, which could include its own fabs.
Given the delays in Intel's 7 nm foundry node, the first Intel client-segment processors based on the node won't arrive before late-2022 or 2023, which means refinements of the current 10 nm silicon fabrication node should support Intel's client-segment product stack for the foreseeable future. The first enterprise 7 nm processors will arrive by the first half of 2023. Intel also mentioned that they expect to see "one full node improvement" from a refined 10 nanometer process, which isn't surprising, given how much experience they have improving their 14 nanometer process.
175 Comments on Intel 7nm CPUs Delayed by a Year, Alder Lake in 2H-2021, Other Commentary from Intel Management
Intel excuses are well past lame think they just enjoy milking the monkey just adding more +++++++++++
Confusing to say the least..
In the case of AMD, that "innovation-minded leader" is Lisa Su. Intel needs their own "Lisa Su".
As for this , given the trends intel have set NEWS would be Intel actually hitting a target, any target.
Ice Lake/Sunny Cove has been ready for over 2 years, and their next-gen Sapphire Rapids/Golden Cove is in the final testing stages. We have nothing to indicate these are inferior to AMD's upcoming counterparts, and just imagine if the 10nm node were not holding these back, then AMD would have gotten real tough competition.
People are attributing far too much to single leaders in general, both in business and in politics. The reality is higher management are mostly important for funding and to "stay out of the way". Middle management and team management is far more important, and of course good engineering. I don't care if it's Lisa Su, Jim Keller, Raja Koduro, Jensen Huang or whomever, it's the real engineering that matters.
'Hij loopt in zeven sloten tegelijk'
Translated: "He walks into seven ditches at the same time"
Intel won't even make 7... :rolleyes:
I can imagine the conversations at Intel 5 years ago. I have seen these kind of conversation before.
Engineer: We need to get going on the next node, and we need significant capital investment to do that.
Bean Counter:Are we behind on process technology?
Engineer: No, but we have to keep moving forward or we will be.
Bean Counter: How much do you need?
Engineer: Billions
Bean Counter: Will this new process node make us more profitable than the last, will it give us higher productivity?
Engineer: No
Bean Counter: So you want me to spend billions on something that won't benefit the business?
Engineer: You won't have a business if you don't push this.
Bean Counter: Get this jerk out of here, he doesn't understand how business works, I never want to talk to him again!
5 years later
Bean Counter: What is going on with all this negative press about our process node?
Engineer: TSMC passed us up, and AMD is using their node.
Bean Counter: So? We're still making a lot of money.
Engineer: We won't be if this continues.
Bean Counter: Well where are we on this node, we've been talking about it for years. Why can't you guys do your job?
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When will these companies get it through their heads, if you need things done... don't turn to the bean counters. Turn to the engineers, they'll get it done.Bean counters, always putting the blame on someone else.
Intel Meteor Lake 13th was always scheduled for late 2022
And everyone already knew about Intel Alder Lake scheduled for late 2021
This is fake news.
As I have been preaching about Meteor Lake for 2022 for over a year.
"There are three ways to go bankrupt: Women, liquor, and engineering. Of those, women are the most enjoyable but engineering is the most certain".
They should stop entertaining those shitty side projects and M&A, Mobileye and focus on their bread and butter CPU and Lithography. I don't know with the way how that California is looking everyday with all political nonsense atmosphere, Intel has to get proper talent who is capable of handling the corporation and it's principles. It's pathetic. 7nm delay again and 10nm high performance is nowhere to be found. Goldmont trash in x86 Sunny Cove is insane, and that awful 8C12T RKL-S parts, still PCIe 3.0 on Z5xx. Damn it Intel. Get you things straight cut the fat off those side useless projects. Oh and that fool Bob Swan sold out 5G R&D and Patents to Apple for immediate cash instead of benefiting from them with higher R&D and talent with ROI they put less money and spend more on the useless PR trash = failure.
Weird ideas - big-little, half-done HT... lack of direction - this is mission, strategy, vision at the highest level - politics and policies included.
11th gen Rocket Lake is PCIe 4.0.... Is out in Q1 2021 (14nm++)
New architecture 16 Cores (big.Little)
12th gen Alder Lake is PCIe 4.0..... Is Q4 2021 (10nm++)
13th gen Meteor Lake is PCIe 5.0.... Is Q4 2022 (7nm+)
People like to talk about PCIe 4.0 technology yet its very short lived as Both AMD and Intel have PCIe 5.0 with DDR5 and USB-4 WiFi-6E 5G technology in two years.
PCIe 4.0 is only on two generations from both sides AMD and Intel.
Not sure why would anyone buy Intel H5 LGA 1200 socket when we all know that H6 LGA 1700 socket is coming, at the same time as AMD has AM5 coming!
Intel 13th generation (Meteor Lake-S) 7nm+ on second generation H6 LGA 1700 socket PCIe 5.0 with DDR5 and USB-4 WiFi-6E 5G technology.
Intel Meteor Lake (7nm+) is there most important upcoming project that Jim Keller worked on directly (Ocean Cove) new core design.
Meteor Lake is Intel first 7nm+ CPUs out of there brand new Fab42 factory.
Intel 7nm+ EUV technology is using Graphene
We will have to change the name from Silicon Valley to Graphene Valley very soon.
That's why at least some say so.
And you know this only the first delay announcement. Another will come.