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AMD Overtakes Intel in Puget Systems Processor Sales
Historically, system builders have been very good indicators of the market situation and demand for the latest processors available. Today, we have the report coming from Puget Systems, a system builder making PCs and laptops for any task needed. Having been present in the PC building business for 21 years, the company was able to notice some trends and look at the market like no one else could, simply by analyzing its orders. Today, we have the report that showcases just how much the CPU market has fluctuated and how dominant forces have shifted. The two main players, AMD and Intel, have been present for lots of years and we now get to see the latest trends in the consumer marketplace.
Back in 2015, Puget Systems quietly dropped AMD processors from their offerings, amid the very low demand the company saw for them. The sales of AMD processors accounted for a single-digit percentage of all of the total sales, and no one was interested in such systems. With the introduction of the Ryzen generation, Puget Systems re-introduced AMD processors back in their offerings. As the company analyzes its processor sales, it has concluded that, currently, AMD processors account for over 50% of the total CPU sales. That is quite a comeback for AMD, as the latest generation Ryzen 5000 series processors have taken the performance crown, and consumer demand is showing the need for new high-performance processors. You can take a look at the graph representing processor sales in the last five years below.
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Puget Systems
Back in 2015, Puget Systems quietly dropped AMD processors from their offerings, amid the very low demand the company saw for them. The sales of AMD processors accounted for a single-digit percentage of all of the total sales, and no one was interested in such systems. With the introduction of the Ryzen generation, Puget Systems re-introduced AMD processors back in their offerings. As the company analyzes its processor sales, it has concluded that, currently, AMD processors account for over 50% of the total CPU sales. That is quite a comeback for AMD, as the latest generation Ryzen 5000 series processors have taken the performance crown, and consumer demand is showing the need for new high-performance processors. You can take a look at the graph representing processor sales in the last five years below.
48 Comments on AMD Overtakes Intel in Puget Systems Processor Sales
Look at a stock/price tracker for your region like CamelCamelCamel and you'll see that plenty of Ryzen 5000 series have spent two months being globally out of stock and price-scalped, followed by a return to norm this last month, but still in short-enough supply that it's been selling for 20% higher than MSRP.
When trying to ascertain a trend/generalisation, look for sample sizes with half a dozen zeroes on the end.
They've also been readily in stock at Micro Center for a while now for those of us with those nearby. Hell, they've also been stock at Amazon for MSRP.
But like Durvelle said, the 5900X and 5950X are another story.
Also a 5600X for comparison. Also available but the price may not be as great.
As for that Zen3 stock, you're basically confirming what I've been saying - prices are still way above MSRP; Anything will stay in stock if you price it high enough. I can find you a 3080 for $2000 if you want? It's easy....
Yes prices are above MSRP but these products are available and you can buy them. That's should be your take away.
It will take some time before the prices normalize that's for sure. That is why I'm not buying 5000 series CPU now. I'm simply waiting for the prices to drop.
Besides Norway has a 25% tax on electronics. If you consider 5180NOK for 5800x that's around $612. Yeah it is a lot but if you exclude the 25% tax you will get around 3900NOK and that's around $461 vs $449 5800X official MSRP. That's not bad in my opinion.
5600x $299 MSRP => 328 Euro
5800x $449 MSRP => 438 Euro
(prices include 19% VAT)
Available at roughly those prices for many weeks.
(Given chip size of these guys, I can't help wondering, why are they so pricey vs what GPUs cost... )
Essentially, there was a bit more than 1 month of crazy pricing, between early November and mid Dec. That's it.
Zen3's biggest advantage over Zen2 is the removal of the CCX, making the 6-core and 8-core parts better than the previous gen's "2x3-core" and "2x4-core" parts with separate L3 cache domains.
With the 5900X and 5950X you still have cores forced to move data back and forth between CCDs at an enormous latency penalty with many extra steps and the far slower infinity fabric clock. The two CCDs still suffer the duplication of data in both caches (duplications reducing the effective L3 cache size).
So yes, the IPC of a 5900X is better than that of a 3900X by a decent chunk, but many heavily-threaded loads will not realise the same Zen2-to-Zen3 improvement as the single CCD models like the 5600X/5800X - because they still have to use the infinity fabric to communicate between CCDs.
I bought the 5800X for myself because it's the best example of Zen3 - it's a single top-binned CCD with none of the disadvantages of having to move threads from core-to-core over the infinity fabric. If I needed more cores, the relative price/performance of a readily available 3900X is close enough to a 5900X that I'm not in a huge rush to try and find a 5900X which is extra effort and still above MSRP as of right now, though hopefully that situation is changing based on 5600X and 5800X availability returning to normal these past couple of weeks.
You're conveniently ignoring all the other people in this thread talking about how 5600X and 5900X have been difficult to find even now, just for the sake of standing your ground. Fine, whatever makes you happy!
5900X is the only way to go here.
5600x you said, here you go (for some reason, I believed 5800x is the thing, based on on gaming forums at least, but oh well):
Oh, look, same slightly more than one month of crazy pricing, "cherry picking" eh? Or perhaps it's you failing to admit the obvious?
I see this claim coming back every now and then, but I never see any proof of it.
www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested Don't be sad. There are plenty of 5600X available on several countries, maybe not just where you live. You don't seem to keen on proving your point either, unlike medi01.
Just because it's out of stock at some places, I'd guess north america for instance, it doesn't have to be that everywhere.
There are loads of stores that have it in stock, not only DE, but also AT, PL, NO, SE, DK... unlike two months ago when there were nothing. Here are 76 stores, with many having it in stock -
€330 is about about 330USD + tax, Yup, 10 % over MSRP in USD.
geizhals.eu/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-100-100000065box-a2392524.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu
Now before you say it's just words, yeah, we won't know for sure until we buy one right now. But the thing is, this is what it looks like when it's out of stock: 5950X - 5 stores, and zero in stock.
Even Amazon currently has the 5600X (yes, at $299): www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5600X-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B08166SLDF/
A month ago stock was terrible, but that's not the case anymore.
Let's just be super clear here as you seem readily-willing to misconstrue what I say for the sake of making an argument: The 5900X is still a fantastic chip with huge IPC gains over the 3900X/XT. It's just not as much of a leap forwards over the previous generation as the 5800X is over the 3800X/XT. Given the smaller performance gap between the 5900X and the 3900X/XT, and then considering the discounts/availability of the the 3900X against the scalping/unavailabilty of the 5900X, it's not as much of a concern to most people interested in a 12-core CPU. Even if you find a 5900X at MSRP, the discounts on a 3900X make it better performance/$ in most tests. Whilst that's true, I read and watch English-speaking channels and sites. That means US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa. The top-5 tech streamers covering US, Canada, UK, and Australia have all realeased multiple videos in the last week mentioning stock shortages (presumably in those regions) and the same goes for websites and forums where you will have no problem finding up-to-date threads whining about availability and equally the existence of threads proclaiming that retailer X has Zen3 in stock right now. None of those threads would exist in abundance if there wasn't a widespread problem.
For what it's worth, I'm in the UK and have had no problem acquiring a 5800X and eight 5900X CPUs at close to MSRP in the last four weeks, though availability of the 5900X is terrible, I had to pull strings with my B2B account manager at the UK's largest tech etailer. That same site just had "call for pricing" on the 5900X for business accounts and "coming soon" for consumer logins. I did, days ago, in the post that seems to have triggered you.
CamelCamelCamel - you can check various regions and with the exception of Germany they all look either bad or terrible today for stocks/scalping:
You can also see the price history and despite Germany having stocks of some Zen3 models for two months now, Everywhere else is still above MSRP, sometimes by ridiculous amounts because any stock that hits the market gets instantly scalped.
We're finally starting to get somewhere with CPUs now. There's no end in sight to the crypto-mining bubble though so GPUs are still very much not a thing your average person can just go out and buy.
Oh, I made myself sad by saying "go out". Damn 'rona lockdown.....
What I see here in parts of EU doesn't match what I'm seeing elsewhere. Yeah, I wonder who started it in this very thread.. talk about going full circle: You started the conversation, and then you're complaining that the conversation is started. :confused: