I would buy Intel right now. Zen 3 is cool and all but I like overclocking and all that. Intel is way more fun for that stuff.

Also not even a week after I paid 800 cad for my cpu it dropped almost 80 bucks. Bullshit.

Steam surveys never seem to reflect sales trends, and it is far more likely that as others have said there is a surge of older PC's gaming again over the school holidays.

Looking at the best selling CPU charts from Amazon, it doesn't seem like Intel 11th or 10th gen pricing is responsible for the increased market share.

Amazon US: www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

AMD 8 out the top 10, Intel at 7 and 8.

Amazon AUS:

www.amazon.com.au/gp/bestsellers/computers/4913338051/ref=sr_bs_23_4913338051_1

AMD top 9, Intel at 10.

Amazon UK: www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-CPUs/zgbs/computers/430515031

AMD 7 of top 10, Intel at 7, 8 and 9.

I know Amazon isn't the world, but they are some pretty big markets that are consistently not reflecting a 72/28 split Intel's way. Nor are they changed significantly over the past 3 months, which again suggests this isn't due to a surge of Intel purchases but rather change in Steam usage (ie older PC's running Steam again over the holidays).

ValantarUntil then we're stuck with AMD mainly selling expensive and not very impressive value, but great performance CPUs.

Wow, what a great advert for AMD this is. So sad that it is true.

Gruffalo.SoldierWow, what a great advert for AMD this is. So sad that it is true.

That's how capitalism works, sadly. Since neoliberalism became the dominant ideology in capitalism and the dogma of profits being the main and ultimate goal of any enterprise, no large-scale for-profit business can make even the faintest claim to being out for anything but their own bottom line. And when the legal systems literally obligate corporations to seek profits above all else .... yeah. Us regular folk are left picking the least bad of the lot - or just giving up and giving in. Not a great advert for anyone, that.

ValantarThat's how capitalism works, sadly. Since neoliberalism became the dominant ideology in capitalism and the dogma of profits being the main and ultimate goal of any enterprise, no large-scale for-profit business can make even the faintest claim to being out for anything but their own bottom line. And when the legal systems literally obligate corporations to seek profits above all else .... yeah. Us regular folk are left picking the least bad of the lot - or just giving up and giving in. Not a great advert for anyone, that.

They take our cash, and hand us the shitty end of the stick.

Gruffalo.SoldierThey take our cash, and hand us the shitty end of the stick.

The government is practically the only one that takes your cash without your consent. In almost every other case you have a choice. Buy whichever stick you want, or don't.

NYC Talk: Wall Street and investors with deep pockets only know that AMD stock has been steadily declining since the good old days in 2020. Many of their institutional major investment firms have decreased and or carefully curtailed their AMD participation in the most recent quarters. Wall Street in turn noted: "Intel and with their soon to arrive Alder Lake product has great potential and is a recommended buy. The market loves new game-changing hardware and then its guaranteed on the shelf availabilities." Some financial analysts openly said: "AMD has essentially done nothing for us in 2021 and we are all about earnings and the money in the bank. In the end its all about the money and Wall Street has no memory.

Honestly I think the reason Zen 3 was so expensive was due to the shortages, the 5600x and 5800x are selling under msrp and are slowly going down in price. I don't think they'd be more expensive than the Zen 2 parts they replace if it wasn't for the shortages.

MistralThe government is practically the only one that takes your cash without your consent. In almost every other case you have a choice. Buy whichever stick you want, or don't.

But then the government (at least in countries with moderately functional governments - whether the US belongs on that list is debatable) does provide some rather basic funcitonality of society, no? Like ... roads, water, electricity, libraries, a justice system, a financial system, a modicum of predictability and accountability, standards that ensure stuff works, and the list goes on and on and on and on and on. Compared to what you get in return, taxes are dirt cheap. Even if you struck everything you don't like or use from the list and divided the taxes you pay between the stuff you need and/or like, it would still be dirt cheap. Whether the rest of the stuff you buy is "voluntary" and with consent ... well, that's open for debate. Late stage capitalism severely limits our options in many, many, many respects.

thegnomeHonestly I think the reason Zen 3 was so expensive was due to the shortages, the 5600x and 5800x are selling under msrp and are slowly going down in price. I don't think they'd be more expensive than the Zen 2 parts they replace if it wasn't for the shortages.

I think it was a very conscious move on AMD's part to signal that they are no longer interested in the "cheap, and decent too" alternative. They want to be #1, and to be seen as a contender across the board, including as a premium option. The MSRPs (again, except for the 5800X) weren't bad at all in the competitive landscape they launched into, they were aligned with Intel's pricing. It's just that a year later, rather than getting the normal downwards creep from MSRP they've mostly been out of stock and/or selling above MSRP the whole time.

Gruffalo.SoldierThey take our cash, and hand us the shitty end of the stick.

Pretty much, yeah. It's the eternal conundrum of attempting to live a good life under capitalism - unless you enjoy boredom and an extremely ascetic lifestyle (and are able to grow your own food, I guess), you're left with the grand old "choice" of where precisely to spend the money you've worked (typically harder the less of it you have) for. And what you get in return is typically the bare minimum needed to legitimize the cost.

Wouldn't it be funny if this could be attributed to the huge sale that featured the game Idle Champions? That game runs well on Atom netbooks :D

I kid, I kid.

Intel's main advantage has always been longetivity and reliability. Even if that is not the real scenario to average consumers it was. What they fail to do is going on massive PR recognition that they are as reliable and have more performance same time. Instead what they do? They increase the price of their cpu's....

ZoneDymo....but.....why...how....who would buy a PC today and go for Intel?

Dont get me wrong, im planning to go for Alderlake myself should that turn out to be worth a damn (its just a weird piece of tech for what we know so im interested)....but like if I had to get something now I would never ever go for Intel, thats just rediculous..(well unless the price is extremely agreable I guess).

Because the average consumer is an idiot. I'm convinced Intel's naming scheme is because of this, I've given up trying to understand which is faster... The i9 773847XYZ model or the i7 6969420ABC model

nguyenLots of kids just dusted off their old Intel PC to play Steam games, summer holidays start in June

lol myth busted

ZoneDymo....but.....why...how....who would buy a PC today and go for Intel?

Dont get me wrong, im planning to go for Alderlake myself should that turn out to be worth a damn (its just a weird piece of tech for what we know so im interested)....but like if I had to get something now I would never ever go for Intel, thats just rediculous..(well unless the price is extremely agreable I guess).

Well the 10700 was on sale for $370 cnd regularly while the 5800x was either not in stock or closer to $575

ZoneDymo....but.....why...how....who would buy a PC today and go for Intel?

Dont get me wrong, im planning to go for Alderlake myself should that turn out to be worth a damn (its just a weird piece of tech for what we know so im interested)....but like if I had to get something now I would never ever go for Intel, thats just rediculous..(well unless the price is extremely agreable I guess).

From a power to performance perspective, Intel is behind AMD at this point. However, from a price to performance ratio, I feel that is where Intel's heavily discounted Comet Lake and cheaper Rocket Lake i5 processors may have contributed to this increase in market share. I've recently setup an Intel i7 10700K because I got it at a very good price, i.e. cheaper than an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X. Even after factoring an Asus Strix B460-i in the cost, it was still cheaper than buying an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X. The 5800X is more powerful when running most applications, but the system I am setting up will only be used for gaming @ 1440p, which I don't see much of a problem. The 10700K gets very hot when running CPU stressful application/ benchmark, but generally don't go above 70 degrees in games with a 240 AIO and ambient temperature of 30 degrees.

AMD appears to be losing market share because they don't have a budget processor, and the Zen 2 chips is just not comparable to the Zen 3 and Comet Lake when it comes to gaming. But the reality is that AMD CPUs are still selling well, and I don't see them losing money anytime soon. On the other hand, while Intel appears to be gaining on AMD, it is doing so with a significant blow to its profit margins due to lower prices. So they can sell more, but does not mean they are making as much as they used to.

AMD have manufacturing volume than Intel so as long as it can't compete on that aspect, it's best for them to target the higher margin market to make as much money as possible with the capacity they have.

AMD is selling all the CPU they make. Once they catchup the market, they will release new APU and Threadripper, or produce more GPU, etc.

So no matter the accuracy of that report, AMD isn't in trouble

I'd probably get a Intel 9700K and motherboard from MicroCenter for $270 atm if building a PC right now. The supply constraints with TSMC is hurting AMD's pricing flexibility right now on the lower end of the spectrum where Intel can compete better against them.

this a small percent of a large group which can vary widely.
Like going into Wal-mart and surveying when ground beef is on sale. Then saying they're best ground beef seller in the united states.
Yet there is a whole bunch of other stores you need to survey.

MakaveliAll of the Zen 3 cpu's that I see are all far cheaper than I when I purchased one in Jan.

MakaveliI paid $650 for my 5800X which you can now get for $529 CAD

The 11900K is $689 CAD this is overpriced. AMD's loyalty is always to share holders first as they are publically traded company. The "Fans" are much lower on that priority list.

First off anyone with a clue wouldn't take a 11900K over a 11700K/11700KF/11700/11700F. Secondly Intel owns the budget gaming market atm.

www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i5-11400f-processor-review,1.html

www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-11400f/

www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/

Doesn't look like new hardware to me...
OSX +3.6%? We know there is a lot of gamers over there! :laugh:

ZoneDymo....but.....why...how....who would buy a PC today and go for Intel?

Dont get me wrong, im planning to go for Alderlake myself should that turn out to be worth a damn (its just a weird piece of tech for what we know so im interested)....but like if I had to get something now I would never ever go for Intel, thats just rediculous..(well unless the price is extremely agreable I guess).

Why wouldnt anyone go for intel ? They're cheaper than amd and have the same performance in gaming. Contrary to popular internet rhetoric, zen 3 didnt actually beat intel in gaming, they merely matched it. Intel is as solid an option as always. A few months ago, where im at you could get an intel cpu+cooler+mobo for the price of an amd cpu. amd was like 60-70% more expensive than its intel equivalent

PanicLakeDoesn't look like new hardware to me...
OSX +3.6%? We know there is a lot of gamers over there! :laugh:

Those increases are internal to each group - there's no "3.6% OSX" increase - within the 100% of OSX Steam users (however many that may be at any given time), there was measured a +3.6% shift in favor of CPUs in that frequency range - which likely means H-series mobile chips, though it could also mean some U-series. Overall the total group of users might still have shrunk or stayed entirely stagnant.

All of this speaks to the hypothesis someone else put forward earlier: that this is mainly due to people who don't typically game starting up Steam to play some games during summer holidays. On whatever hardware they already have.

This is just people using their old PCs to start trying PC games which probably has intel in it, and as well as AMD's supply struggles helping boost intel CPU sales when everyone and their grandma was trying to build a PC. Especially when their 10th gen was on a fire sale. Seriously, who would buy an AMD CPU when the supply was non existent a while back and 10850Ks were going for $300.

Hmm, just looked it up locally - prebuilts with a 10400F are almost £300 cheaper than the equivalent spec but 5600X. These things aren't rocking RTX 3080s so the CPU isn't going to be a bottleneck under any circumstances.

As for parts to DIY build a machine, £125 for a 10400F vs £275 for 5600X and it's criminal to waste the investment into a 5600X with shit RAM so DDR4-3600 CL16 is probably the price/performance sweet spot at a 50% premium over the bargain-basement DDR4-3000 which a 10400F cannot exceed. Nor do you need anything more than a cheap H410i board on clearance deal because the 10400F can't use overclocking features either.

Zen3 is amazing, but it AMD have completely ignored the mainstream market segment where 90% of people want to spend their money. Everything from the entry level-i5 and cheaper outsells the enthusiast, unlocked chips by a significant margin.

Most of the increase has been in CPUs with base frequency around 3Ghz and 6 cores and that could be OEMs packed with i5 9400-9500f or 10400-10500f