Tuesday, July 20th 2021

Intel Core i9-12900K Allegedly Beats AMD Ryzen 9 5950X at Cinebench R20

With qualification samples of the upcoming Intel Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake-S" processors and companion Socket LGA1700 motherboards hitting the black-market, expect a deluge of benchmarks on social media. One such that stands out makes a fascinating claim that the i9-12900K beats AMD's current flagship Ryzen 9 5950X processor at Cinebench R20, which has been AMD's favorite multi-threaded benchmark. At stock speeds, with liquid cooling, the i9-12900K allegedly scores 810 points in the single-threaded test, and 11600 points in multi-threaded.

To put these numbers into perspective, a retail Ryzen 9 5950X scores 641 points in the single-threaded test, and 10234 points in multi-threaded, in our own testing. The i9-12900K is technically a 16-core processor, just like the 5950X, but half its cores are low-power "Gracemont." The "Alder Lake-S" chip appears to be making up ground on the single-threaded performance of the "Golden Cove" P-core, that's a whopping 25% higher than the "Zen 3" core on the 5950X. This is aided not just by higher IPC, but also the max boost frequency of 5.30 GHz for 1~2 cores, and 5.00 GHz "all-core" boost (for the P-cores).
Given the multi-threaded scores, it's safe to assume that either Intel or Microsoft has figured out a way to leverage the P-cores and E-cores simultaneously in peak multi-threaded workloads. This is possible when both the "Golden Cove" and "Gracemont" cores have the ISA capability needed by the workload, which in case of Cinebench R20, is AVX. "Gracemont" is Intel's first low-power core to support AVX, AVX2, and AVX-VNNI instruction sets. "Golden Cove" features a more lavish ISA that includes AVX-512 (select client-relevant instructions).
Sources: OneRaichu (Twitter), VideoCardz
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155 Comments on Intel Core i9-12900K Allegedly Beats AMD Ryzen 9 5950X at Cinebench R20

#151
Makaveli
The red spiritI only focus on gaming.


That's still not how budgeting works and you paid over MSRP too. One good sale doesn't offset other poor buy. You still paid more than you should for 5800X, not to mention that 5800X was clearly intended to be overpriced since it was launched. Not to mention, that 3800X isn't all that much slower than 5800X. So it was bad idea from the start to even think about upgrading it. The final rub in a wound is that 3800X was priced quite poorly too and at least in gaming, it didn't make a difference between 3800X and 3600X or 3600.




The whole idea here is that neither of your AMD purchases made any sense to begin with. 3800X might have been passable if you kept it as long as i9, but you didn't and jumped after just a single generation. You would have saved a lot by not messing with AMD at all, buying i3 or i5 and keep it for minimum of 6 years.

Intel platform, over 6 years, would have cost you just 42 USD per year. And your whole Zen adventure is easily double that, closer to 90 USD per year.
lol you still don't get it.

Your focus on gaming means nothing to me I didn't build this computer to meet your needs lmao. You have no idea what my budget is only your own, so your opinon is based on your own budget. The final rub here is you don't get to determine what is a good buy or a bad buy for someone else.

You intel fans are ridiculous you are not converting anyone here. If I do another $250 upgrade when Zen 3d comes out you gonna tell me it was a bad choice and I should have gone intel.....

And this is my last response to you don't have time for your mental gymnastics.
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#152
TheoneandonlyMrK
londistePretty sure CB R20 has no idea about AVX512.
If the results are even remotely real, then those new Atom cores must have gained some AVX or AVX2 capability though.
This is CB23?!, No 20 it says, leads me to ask why other outlets listed CB23 a new version.
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#153
The red spirit
Makavelilol you still don't get it.

Your focus on gaming means nothing to me I didn't build this computer to meet your needs lmao. You have no idea what my budget is only your own, so your opinon is based on your own budget. The final rub here is you don't get to determine what is a good buy or a bad buy for someone else.

You intel fans are ridiculous you are not converting anyone here. If I do another $250 upgrade when Zen 3d comes out you gonna tell me it was a bad choice and I should have gone intel.....

And this is my last response to you don't have time for your mental gymnastics.
I don't think that you understand what I say. I'm saying that you shouldn't have bought any AMD chip or board at all and instead went Intel from the start. Not for fanboyism, but due to how dirt cheap those i5s were and still are. Despite low cost, they will last for a while too. It has nothing to do with Intel, it's just that they managed to make good, but way cheaper chip than AMD. If AMD did the same, I would recommend them too. And if you actually care at least a little bit about your cash, don't buy that Zen 3D. Unless it's 3 tiems faster than 5800X, it won't be worth upgrading from 5800X. Let that 5800X provide some value for you. You only get value if you upgrade as little as possible and if you upgrade, then get stuff as cheap as possible and buy something that will last. If you just buy every single gen (even if you sell it), you are not saving anything, but spending way more than you should for minimal gains. I could understand you, if you needed more cores for productivity and then kept that 3800X, but not when you upgrade every gen.
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#154
Makaveli
Lets get back on topic you can send a pm if you want to continue dicussing my upgrade decisions.
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#155
GURU7OF9
The Red Spirit "yes" you are an Intel Fanboy preaching Makaveli should have bought Intel.
Sounds like he has recovered his costs very well. Yes the 5800x is the most pricey of the 4 cpus but prices have come down a lot these days and is only marginally higher than the others. As for X570 motherboards, you can buy some good boards for around $200US.
It's his money, whether you think its a waste or not, is not your concern.
Give it a rest mate!
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