Wednesday, February 23rd 2022
Qualcomm Said to be Moving to TSMC for 3 nm Chips
Although nothing has been officially confirmed by Qualcomm, it looks like the company will be moving away from Samsung for its 3 nm based chips, in favour of TSMC. The Elec also mentions that Qualcomm has moved some of its Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 production to TSMC, something that has already been hitting the rumour mill. The first batch of 4 nm Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 chips are said to already have entered the early stages of production. The main reason for the move is said to be poor yields by Samsung Foundry on its 4 nm node.
The yield rates are said to be a measly 35 percent for the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, with Samsung's Exynos 2200 having even lower yields. This also helps explain why Samsung's mobile division has decided to limit the availability of its Exynos 2200 based phones to only a few regions. Apparently Qualcomm had to send staff over to Korea to help get the yields up to their current rate, but it's not hard to see why the company is shifting back to TSMC, as a 35 percent yield rate is simply not acceptable. Samsung is said to be auditing Samsung Foundry to find out what has gone wrong, as anything below 80-90 percent in terms of yield rate is simply not acceptable for mass production. Qualcomm will apparently continue to use Samsung Foundry for its 7 nm RF chips, where the yields must be within industry norms.
Source:
The Elec
The yield rates are said to be a measly 35 percent for the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, with Samsung's Exynos 2200 having even lower yields. This also helps explain why Samsung's mobile division has decided to limit the availability of its Exynos 2200 based phones to only a few regions. Apparently Qualcomm had to send staff over to Korea to help get the yields up to their current rate, but it's not hard to see why the company is shifting back to TSMC, as a 35 percent yield rate is simply not acceptable. Samsung is said to be auditing Samsung Foundry to find out what has gone wrong, as anything below 80-90 percent in terms of yield rate is simply not acceptable for mass production. Qualcomm will apparently continue to use Samsung Foundry for its 7 nm RF chips, where the yields must be within industry norms.
14 Comments on Qualcomm Said to be Moving to TSMC for 3 nm Chips
Keep in mind that TSMC are pretty much building their upcoming nodes to suit Apple's needs, so the focus is on making the nodes really good at making low-power chips.
High-power chips have different requirements and takes time to get to after the low-power chips have reached good yields. This can sometimes take up towards a year.
This is not news, as it has been the case since at least 28 nm from TSMC.
There's a reason why TSMC has all these sub-nodes and variants.
I'd suggest reading this for a better understanding.
fuse.wikichip.org/news/3398/tsmc-details-5-nm/
N7 - no EUV
N7+ - introduction of EUV
N7P - no EUV, compatible with N7 designrules
N5 - 2nd node using EUV
N6 - 3rd node using EUV compatible with N7 and N7P designrules, but easier to use
N5P and N4 are compatible with N5 designrules, N4 will be easier to use, like N6
The diagram doesn't even show the various design rules, nor the LP/HP versions.
I guess this is the most up to date diagram from Wikichipm, which further complicates things.
fuse.wikichip.org/news/6439/tsmc-extends-its-5nm-family-with-a-new-enhanced-performance-n4p-node/
I'm sure that the piss-poor efficiency also helped make the move back?
Yeah i can not game on it but discord etc. runs verry well,
even on my second one with the SD 425 and 2GB RAM in kiwi browser are sometimes 90 TABS open and dont have a problem (G Services etc. disabled):D
Did u know that google playservices runs in background and take from smartphones with 1GB RAM about 180MB for those services while u dont use it?
Not sure why the supercomputers are not doing active R&D on this. Maybe they already are...
There are alternatives of course, but which one will be mature and cheap enough for mass production?