VerpalI don't think sanctioning entire country is ever a right move, so many innocent people will suffer, but realistically even if Intel/AMD intended to continue sales, Russian will have major difficulty in clearing payment, so ultimately it doesn't really matter. Though, in terms of GPU sales, I suppose Russian will have greater incentive to secure more GPU than CPU, be it from AMD/Intel/NVIDIA, since cryptos are okay tool for bypassing sanctions.

while i wholeheartedly agree with not harming innocents, i believe these moves and other sanctions will not affect the class of russian citizen who are already suffering because of the war.

hit 'em in the oligarchy!

btarunrLet's...not get too political in this thread, can we?

Hah - The poll is on political subject, so that's wishful thinking!

I haven't read further down yet but I suspect there won't be {m}any replies supporting Putin, the real problem will be keeping language clean ;)

medi01What an embarrassingly ignorant parallel.

China - Taiwan is like North/South Korea.

Whereas what Putler is doing is akin Hitler's invasion into Poland.

Putin seems to be viewing Ukraine as a western-controlled puppet state that is supposed to be part of Russia—it certainly was in Soviet Union times. Regardless of the differences in the circumstances, China might feel more justified to act similarly with Taiwan now. AMD and Intel stopping shipments to Russia might only help consolidate a Russia-China block and further increase China's interest in more directly controlling Taiwan and its precious silicon chip production.

But all I was saying anyway is that it would be rather curious to see the same companies boycotting Russia do the same with China if that will ever happen. It was a sarcastic remark; I don't think they would do it since it would have enormous economic implications.

medi01"Whopping" 22%.
While 68% support the invasion.

State-run poll so the numbers are meaningless

Daisho11Lots of Russian citizens out there that oppose or have nothing to do with the war are going to suffer because of these types of virtue signalling PR stunts.

Not being able to buy a CPU is suffering... really. Have you been following the news at all? Russia is being so reckless now they won't even care about a Chernobyl 2.0.

Daisho11Lots of Russian citizens out there that oppose or have nothing to do with the war are going to suffer because of these types of virtue signalling PR stunts.

And? These Russian citizens who "have nothing to do with the war" are the ones who allowed Putin to stay in power for decades and they are not the ones getting killed and their cities turned to rubble. Let them feel at least this minimal inconvenience, maybe they'll have more time to think about what they can do about their psycho government.

Not being able to buy gpu is suffering, cpu not so much.
And they already did this to all of us, put us on hold for a year and more for not being in a war, not supporting a corrupt government or anything like that.

And as for the citizens allowing to stay in power that put.., pardon my french person. Well it is not so easy to remove him, they have tried and is impossible.

life is suffering in general. you have to try to navigate it without breaking your legs, only to die anyway.
If you are not in a closed system and live in a minimalistic self sufficient closed system like eskimo, you are generally asking to be dependant on any shortcoming life can offer. Anyone should learn to live offgrid or prepare to be suffering at some point.

TheDeeGeeNot being able to buy a CPU is suffering... really. Have you been following the news at all? Russia is being so reckless now they won't even care about a Chernobyl 2.0.

Whilst fighting over nuclear power stations is a breach of the Geneva Convention (Putin's already using internationally-banned cluster mines so....) the Zaporizhzhia reactor isn't an RBMK reactor like Chernobyl. It's a PWR type where every system is based on negative feedback. Just about every possible scenario of fire/damage/sabotage will cause the reaction to slow. If the reactor is shelled or bombed, radioactive matter could still be ejected but it wouldn't be an uncontrollable chain reaction like Chernobyl and it would be far easier to clean up. Easier is, of course, relative - it would still be a very significant and costly effort but it's something that could be wholly-contained within the span of months with no direct loss of life from radiation.

medi01

Solid State BrainThey should do the same when China will invade Taiwan.
I'm sure they will do it.

What an embarrassingly ignorant parallel.

China - Taiwan is like North/South Korea.

Whereas what Putler is doing is akin Hitler's invasion into Poland.

What an embarrassingly ignorant parallel. Indeed, but from you. Comparing any Russian leader with a Nazi founder is so pathetic, ignorant and outrageous at the same time. Well over 20 million Russians died in WWII fighting Nazis. I could go on...
As for Ukraine, you should know that about half of the country's territory is populated with Russians or is pro-Russian oriented.


I would urge the TPU administration to consider locking threads for these kind of news from now on. I consider and think of TPU as a refuge for tech savvy people and not a place for propaganda suckers to thrive and spread misinformation. Thank you.

I will stick to financial data alone, the silicon buried under Ukrainian soil, it will stay at non-western hands for ever.
Neither INTEL told us that we have buy CPU's made of stolen silicon from Afghanistan.
Today China is the fresh buyer of silicon from Afghanistan.

All war stories they are about money.

To all those saying that Russia will simply buy from 3rd parties, like China or India: Russians will have to convert their continuously crashing Ruble into USD or Euro, then pay a premium for the services of the 3rd party, and then pay for the hardware itself. This chain makes procurement of PC components for small companies nigh impossible, let alone for ordinary Russians who will simply not be able to afford anything.

Cancel culture is a bitch :D

PumperAnd? These Russian citizens who "have nothing to do with the war" are the ones who allowed Putin to stay in power for decades and they are not the ones getting killed and their cities turned to rubble. Let them feel at least this minimal inconvenience, maybe they'll have more time to think about what they can do about their psycho government.

As if they the had fully democratic elections to begin with? You're way off.
The Russian people have no say in this and we all know it.

Not being able to buy a new CPU is the least of their trouble right now.

ZeppMan217let alone for ordinary Russians who will simply not be able to afford anything.

Too bad that you are hiding your location.
Entire South EU this has so many problems, that we cannot afford buying anything too.

I'm amazed it took until page two for Godwin's Law to be invoked!
/thread.

You lads do know that the western european nations still buying oil and gas from Russia and paying almost 2 billion euros a DAY for it whislt they are banning oligarchs and etc... this is all smoke screen. they show they act, but they do not. in six months to a year, and everything will be back to before, bans all lifted and etc... only sufferer will be Ukraine... and you will all forget about it....

VeseleiloI would urge the TPU administration to consider locking threads for these kind of news from now on. I consider and think of TPU as a refuge for tech savvy people and not a place for propaganda suckers to thrive and spread misinformation. Thank you.

That's strange in TPU, one of the reason I like it here is politics are not allowed.
I second this, please lock this thread, it's just unhelpful.

amartharGives them an incentive to overthrow the government.

The delusional take that refuses to die in the west. Worked out so well in Iran and some other places, right?

Xex360That's strange in TPU, one of the reason I like it here is politics are not allowed.
I second this, please lock this thread, it's just unhelpful.

TPU added poll for political decissions to this article. I don't know what discussion you expect to see here

This is a good time for a dadjoke:
A friend wanted to buy a flag to support the Ukraine, being helpful I pointed out who has all the flags...

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/ontopic

IDK if anyone can see the difference in the two statements. AMD announces its following the sanctions without trying to be political about it, while Intels statement is political by they I/we/feel. One sounds like th3y are jumping on the already moving bandwagon, the other is trying to say they invented the bandwagon.

TurmaniaYou lads do know that the western european nations still buying oil and gas from Russia and paying almost 2 billion euros a DAY for it whislt they are banning oligarchs and etc... this is all smoke screen. they show they act, but they do not. in six months to a year, and everything will be back to before, bans all lifted and etc... only sufferer will be Ukraine... and you will all forget about it....

Yes we do.
But how much the world remembers of the 400 years occupation of Greece and of our suffering?
UK was gave us a loan, that was paid three times over.

Yeah, let's punish people for public relations!

Xex360Next is Israel, US, China, or victims of those terrorist states aren't human?

That's not fair, you already answered your question.;)

So, in the spirit of being reasonable to moderation request let's remain apolitical.

In these statements both AMD and Intel will not sell hardware. Where is the stuff going in the interim, and what kind of volumes are we realistically looking at?


I ask because the statements are less about the economics and more about the high level promises. If I were to look at this from the economic side I'd suggest that the short term actions by AMD and Intel will be negligible. They'll still largely sell their goods to distributors, and those distributors will be free to sell their goods as they see fit. This allows you to sell goods to all the adjacent territories, to have them get these goods at cheaper pricing due to being redirected from their old locations, and subsequently see a spike in pricing to the sanctioned area without really impacting the availability for those of means to get what they want.

The alternative is that Intel and AMD have physically redirected shipments to other areas where they can get the best price for them, which would likely mean a slight dip in costing for the EU as a whole because they could theoretically assimilate all the volumes and start delivering those goods to other areas more willing to pay.

The former situation would indicate that AMD and Intel are making the statement that they don't support the conflict, but tacitly implying that they see this as a short term bump in the road. They're betting on a very short conflict, so their supply lines will not change. The later situation would imply that the company is betting on a longer term conflict, and adjusting to what they believe will be a longer term restriction. While remaining apolitical, it is of note to review policies and determine how business believes resolutions can be brought about. Hopefully both AMD and Intel are only redirecting their flow of goods. That would mean they aren't planning for anything protracted.


Now, the next question that goes unanswered is exactly how much this is impacting either giant. If you'll allow me to be cynical, I have to ask exactly how much hardware was actually being shipped into Russia. Near as I can tell, they represent 0.1% of all semiconductor consumption in the world. If the rest of the world suddenly had 0.1% more supply, when the markup on GPUs and the like can run at 100%, will we really see losses? Don't get me wrong, the usage of sanctions sucks for all of us on the ground floor, but for the rest of the world we'll suddenly have 1000 semiconductors instead of 999. This isn't a great thing, but it could go a long way in alleviating shortages in other area in the extreme short term. Leveraged properly, that could mean some gains.
Sadly, it's not like Russia was a manufacturing powerhouse either. Losing their output in...agriculture and machinery...is not a loss. Unfortunately, their output of fuel and energy will be untouched...because it's one of those things that will never be touched. This means that the required raw resource situation will not appreciably dampen, though it may raise local energy costs. The supply of goods and services may be lessened, but likewise most of these do not leave the borders of their respective countries. Finally, a global resource shortage of semiconductors will only see a slight change, with virtually none to labor.

I feel for the people in the area...but this is largely not a place to make that statement. Their suffering isn't really what a technology website wants to cover. That being said, I hope this conflict is short. Without an ounce of political sides, it hurts already strained supply lines for everything. Hopefully whatever the resolution, the people involved can get back to some kind of normalcy soon. The world doesn't need another protracted drain on resources that serves only to hurt people.

VeseleiloWhat an embarrassingly ignorant parallel. Indeed, but from you. Comparing any Russian leader with a Nazi founder is so pathetic, ignorant and outrageous at the same time. Well over 20 million Russians died in WWII fighting Nazis. I could go on...
As for Ukraine, you should know that about half of the country's territory is populated with Russians or is pro-Russian oriented.


I would urge the TPU administration to consider locking threads for these kind of news from now on. I consider and think of TPU as a refuge for tech savvy people and not a place for propaganda suckers to thrive and spread misinformation. Thank you.

Both yours and the other take are pretty bad, but trying to apologize for a Russian leader that's currently bombing civilian cities (including a fucking nuclear power plant) is utterly ridiculous.

WWII is neither here nor there, Ukrainians also fought relentlessly against Nazi Germany, just as they will fight relentlessly against the imperialistic delusions of a Russian dictator who seems to have departed the realms of reality

There is a saying, "Do not touch" that is well known by many, others have no sense of the meaning by that, sadly.

Solid State BrainPutin seems to be viewing Ukraine as a western-controlled puppet state that is supposed to be part of Russia—it certainly was in Soviet Union times. Regardless of the differences in the circumstances, China might feel more justified to act similarly with Taiwan now. AMD and Intel stopping shipments to Russia might only help consolidate a Russia-China block and further increase China's interest in more directly controlling Taiwan and its precious silicon chip production.

There's a big difference here which is Taiwan isn't recognized as a real country by most other countries including the UN (only 14 countries recognized it out of 193, none "big power houses"). Taiwan is a disputed terroritory and as long as it doesn't make too much waves about it nothing will happen (most polls in the country point towards the wish to maintain the status quo, nether join China nor have independence).

Some analists also predict that after seeing the united western response to Russia's unprovocked attack on Ukraine they'd be a bit more cautious in any attempt at reunification (which will happen eventually and there are some grounds for as long as it follows proper channels and diplomatic processes)