Wednesday, March 9th 2022
AMD Asks Motherboard Makers to Remove Overclocking Options for Ryzen 7 5800X3D
TechPowerUp has verified a rumour posted over on VideoCardz that is quite puzzling, as AMD has asked motherboard makers to remove support for overclocking in the UEFI/BIOS for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. When we asked for a reason as to why this was the case, we were told that AMD was keeping that information to themselves for the time being. The details provided by AMD are short and to the point "5800X3D 8C16T 100-xxxxxxxxx 105 W AGESA: PI 1206b 1/28 Please hide Vermeer-X CPU OC BIOS SETUP options".
The information suggests that this happened back at the end of January, although it's no surprise that this information took some time to leak, as it's not the kind of information that would normally make its way outside of the motherboard manufacturers. AGESA 1.2.0.6 B is also the most current release for a wide range of motherboards, even though it doesn't seem to be offered as a final release from all of the board makers just yet. It's unclear why AMD has done this, but it suggests that there might be some issues related to the 3D V-Cache and overclocking.
Source:
VideoCardz
The information suggests that this happened back at the end of January, although it's no surprise that this information took some time to leak, as it's not the kind of information that would normally make its way outside of the motherboard manufacturers. AGESA 1.2.0.6 B is also the most current release for a wide range of motherboards, even though it doesn't seem to be offered as a final release from all of the board makers just yet. It's unclear why AMD has done this, but it suggests that there might be some issues related to the 3D V-Cache and overclocking.
115 Comments on AMD Asks Motherboard Makers to Remove Overclocking Options for Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Boils down to two things, stability and thermals, but thats stating the obvious\common issues. After that, there is overclocking doesnt actually work, and what else? OMG you killed kenny! I mean the memory!
Isnt it fun to speculate? :p
Since we don't even know if it's frequency or Voltage related, it's really hard to speculate about the reason.
Maybe the V-Cache gets decoupled somehow once certain speeds are reached?
In unrelated news, Vermeer OC keeps declining beyond AGESA 1203 for No Reason Whatsoever.
make grug think, it do
Latest Agesa is bugged/featured in a way that if you turn EDC past 140A your CPU voltages will not go past 1.4V much. Meaning Turbo will not work as it should. Under 140A everything is fine.
Reading this and seeing this newly added feature it seems it is intentional. Older BIOSes allow pretty high currents will almost no real time speed gains... unless you want your room warmer etc...
Theses day, if you want significant gain, you have to either get low ends parts just to get decent performance or do Memory optimization. I tried that and i hate it. I don't have that much time free and when i do, i want to game, not look at a mem test screen. I think people into that are masochist but that is my opinion.
No overclocking is one thing, but the key here is Does it will support PBO or not. I suspect that AMD might have to do special power management on it and don't want people to burn their CPU
Read some nonsense about auto is the new oc now
What they mean is heat produced from manual oc'ing isn't worth it to them because they only use an aio or air cooler :laugh:
Could have removed the X from 5800X3D if you ask me, though.
And it turns out that 5800x3D clocks like 300 MHz lower than 5800x and now you also might not be able to overclock it yourself?
Cache does improve performance
I was always disappointed in x299 crappy mesh topping out at 30 when most z chips can max at 50 and slaughter hedt in gaming benchmarks.
I'm still on AGESA 1203 Patch C and AGESA 1206 Patch B is just released for my board this week.
*edit* Actually never mind this post provides the details.
Running 1900+ FCLK stable with minimum fabric errors is an exercise in bruteforcing a working set of SOC/IOD/CCD voltages, which is boring - but doable.
And 4700+ Mhz in fairly light loads is hardly anything special - my 5800x could run 4850 Mhz at 1.25v in the light loads I barely recall. :- )
Apparently Fun is banned on AM4, sad!
Hopefully AM5 will be better, otherwise Intel is the only place to have fun making your hardware go choo-choo, and minimum framerate go up.