Wednesday, March 9th 2022

AMD Asks Motherboard Makers to Remove Overclocking Options for Ryzen 7 5800X3D

TechPowerUp has verified a rumour posted over on VideoCardz that is quite puzzling, as AMD has asked motherboard makers to remove support for overclocking in the UEFI/BIOS for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. When we asked for a reason as to why this was the case, we were told that AMD was keeping that information to themselves for the time being. The details provided by AMD are short and to the point "5800X3D 8C16T 100-xxxxxxxxx 105 W AGESA: PI 1206b 1/28 Please hide Vermeer-X CPU OC BIOS SETUP options".

The information suggests that this happened back at the end of January, although it's no surprise that this information took some time to leak, as it's not the kind of information that would normally make its way outside of the motherboard manufacturers. AGESA 1.2.0.6 B is also the most current release for a wide range of motherboards, even though it doesn't seem to be offered as a final release from all of the board makers just yet. It's unclear why AMD has done this, but it suggests that there might be some issues related to the 3D V-Cache and overclocking.
Source: VideoCardz
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115 Comments on AMD Asks Motherboard Makers to Remove Overclocking Options for Ryzen 7 5800X3D

#101
TheinsanegamerN
Regardless of wether PBO is useful, if manual overclocking is any good anymore, ece AMD asking OEMs to lock out overclocking on their upcoming CPU should be met with nothing but disdain and demands for a reversal of said decision. If Nvidia or Intel do this the community would be absolutely outraged. I remember how pissed people were when nvidia restricted OCing on mobile GPUs where OCing is a very bad idea.

Yet when AMD does this a good half of the comments doesnt see an issue with it. I'm sorry, but that is one hell of a slippery slope and should be derided so long as the decision is upheld.
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#102
Makaveli
TheinsanegamerNRegardless of wether PBO is useful, if manual overclocking is any good anymore, ece AMD asking OEMs to lock out overclocking on their upcoming CPU should be met with nothing but disdain and demands for a reversal of said decision. If Nvidia or Intel do this the community would be absolutely outraged. I remember how pissed people were when nvidia restricted OCing on mobile GPUs where OCing is a very bad idea.

Yet when AMD does this a good half of the comments doesnt see an issue with it. I'm sorry, but that is one hell of a slippery slope and should be derided so long as the decision is upheld.
If this was done across a whole range of models then I would be on board. However for one specific model and they are only locking it out from Bios overclocking settings you will still be able to via software I don't see a major issue with. I don't think we are going to be seeing this be a normal thing across their whole range of products and doesn't warrant major outrage.

And since this is only bios locking they may change there mind at a later date.
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#103
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
TheinsanegamerNRegardless of wether PBO is useful, if manual overclocking is any good anymore, ece AMD asking OEMs to lock out overclocking on their upcoming CPU should be met with nothing but disdain and demands for a reversal of said decision. If Nvidia or Intel do this the community would be absolutely outraged. I remember how pissed people were when nvidia restricted OCing on mobile GPUs where OCing is a very bad idea.

Yet when AMD does this a good half of the comments doesnt see an issue with it. I'm sorry, but that is one hell of a slippery slope and should be derided so long as the decision is upheld.
If the hardware has changed, BIOS settings can change too.
It's not any different to hiding IGP options for CPU's without an IGP, in reality.

What does matter, is how MUCH settings are removed in the end: Do they lock out a limited number of settings, or all of them? Do they replace them with anything else?


In the end if they just disable limited things to prevent sudden death of the CPU's, that's a good thing.
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#104
RJARRRPCGP
TheinsanegamerNAMD asking OEMs to lock out overclocking on their upcoming CPU should be met with nothing but disdain and demands for a reversal of said decision. If Nvidia or Intel do this the community would be absolutely outraged. I remember how pissed people were when nvidia restricted OCing on mobile GPUs where OCing is a very bad idea.

Yet when AMD does this a good half of the comments doesnt see an issue with it. I'm sorry, but that is one hell of a slippery slope and should be derided so long as the decision is upheld.
I'm wondering, too! I hope that this isn't a "war-on-overclocking" mentality like Intel had, when they believed they didn't have competition, or had so little competition, notably 2011-2016.
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#105
Greed4Speed
Give one to me i will keep it cool no problem, pretty sure 5800x3d will overclock eventually.
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#106
ThrashZone
Hi,
Maybe throttlestop will be able to get more out of these chips ;)
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#107
Makaveli
lol who is this Intel employee xXsurvivor came to the forum to 12 alerts on my post and this guy seem to be spamming the thread because he is angry.
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#108
Cutechri
Makavelilol who is this Intel employee xXsurvivor came to the forum to 12 alerts on my post and this guys seem to be spamming the thread because he is angry.
Ikr.



Speak to us, buddy... holding it in is bad...
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#109
Unregistered
Bong-JoviMy 5ghz 5600x says yes
Is it fixed all cores? The last time I looked at overclocking Zen3, it seemed I could lock the core clocks without compromising single core clocks.
#110
Totally
TheinsanegamerNRegardless of wether PBO is useful, if manual overclocking is any good anymore, ece AMD asking OEMs to lock out overclocking on their upcoming CPU should be met with nothing but disdain and demands for a reversal of said decision. If Nvidia or Intel do this the community would be absolutely outraged. I remember how pissed people were when nvidia restricted OCing on mobile GPUs where OCing is a very bad idea.

Yet when AMD does this a good half of the comments doesnt see an issue with it. I'm sorry, but that is one hell of a slippery slope and should be derided so long as the decision is upheld.
You serious? This is an obvious case of of them getting ahead of the inevitable flood of fried chips, bad press, and lawsuits that'll follow shortly afterwards. This is in direct contrast to Nvidia that does shit like this to protect product segmentation, "no, no, no can't have the consumer buying a cheaper part and oc'ing it to the performance levels of the more expensive part no, no, no." Are you honestly trying to conflate the two different issues here?
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#111
Batailleuse
zlobbyI find their own 'turbos' to be on par with manual OC when the mobo, cooling and the PSU are up to the task. Plus, it's way more stable and power efficient this way.
good yes, efficient not really.

if i set everything on auto the cpu puts 1.4v and does 4.7ghz if i do manually i can get 4.7ghz at 1.270v stable.

1270>1400 is a pretty huge difference when it comes to heat and stability.

but i agree that for 90+% of people the auto OC feature will do as good if not better than a manual overclock.
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#112
zlobby
Batailleusegood yes, efficient not really.

if i set everything on auto the cpu puts 1.4v and does 4.7ghz if i do manually i can get 4.7ghz at 1.270v stable.

1270>1400 is a pretty huge difference when it comes to heat and stability.

but i agree that for 90+% of people the auto OC feature will do as good if not better than a manual overclock.
Assuming a need for 24/7 @ max clocks, a manual OC will be more efficient than auto. More stable? Depends.

But in general usage auto OC will downclock and downvolt in the majority of cases, so on average you would get better efficiency. For the most part at least.
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#113
Why_Me
It's nice to see Team Red going the way of Team Blue and doing away with overclocking. Next thing you know they'll be copying Team Blue again by offering DDR5 builds.
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#114
Makaveli
Why_MeIt's nice to see Team Red going the way of Team Blue and doing away with overclocking. Next thing you know they'll be copying Team Blue again by offering DDR5 builds.
How is removing overclocking on one processor doing away with overclocking?
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#115
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
MakaveliHow is removing overclocking on one processor doing away with overclocking?
Honestly, this thread is proving that reading comprehension is second place to making dramatic statements
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