Razrback16Yep. I've bought my last two cards 2nd hand and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future as well. I used to buy direct from NVidia on launch and install my own waterblocks as soon as they became available...now I just wait for a good deal on a card that already has a block installed thanks to the ridiculous overpricing the last two cycles. This is the situation NVidia created and I'm happy to not buy their hardware new.

Same, I bought used cards since many years now. In fact my last new card was a HD5850, go figure. I wanted to buy a 3080 new so badly, but it was a trash model for 930€ so I rather bought something else for 200 bucks less that is almost same perf and way better model, i never looked back, it was also right before the mining boom in 2021.

MinxiePlease delay this inevitable failure of a generation, preferably forever. Nobody needs this power grid destroying garbagefest.

We live in strange times. World is aware of environmental damage now but somehow GPU makers and pc enthusiasts aren’t affected by this, like it’s still 1995 or something. Yea let’s release 450-600W cards, why not. Same with CPUs by the way, to a lesser degree. At least SLI/CF is dead, prevents insane people from having 2 of these in their damn gaming pc.

Where did this all come from? I'm kinda still standing with my toes dry, and someone is talking about flood?
Moore's Law is Dead is a f$#%in shmuck - he has no "sources", and only gained popularity after gettingguessing one thing right before everyone else (I don't even remember which one, that's how long ago that was), but you know what they say about blind squirrels....

After the experience with 2017 mining boom, and repeat in 2021 - miners won't sell cards en-masse. You may be able to get it a tad below scalping prices, but NOT at MSRP or lower. The reason - no one knows when these cards become super-profitable again, so they'll "hodl" the hardware. Heck, I remember during this hike something like an old P104-100 farm was pumping out over $30/day profit(only for a day or so, but still).

This doesn't sound logical to me at all.

The used market brings nothing to Nvidia's table. If they launched the 40-series now, it would only push down the price of used 30-series cards. Why would Nvidia even care?

ModEl4That's a logic assumption but it works only if a great percentage of the miners buy again in December, what are they gonna mine in December and with what profit, would it be financially enticing for the miners to invest again? Just asking!

It is speculation, so yea that is a big IF. Its hard to predict what the mining market will do, some might predict BTC will still drop down below $5k, others may see it as extremely volatile that it could gain enough by December to keep it profitable to justify the transition to newer cards. @trog100 know better than I on the market.

Dont miss the point that Nvidia will sell direct to the same miners as with 30 series. W ill that create another shortage of new cars or not remains to be seen.

eidairaman1And this is why nv got a slap on the hands for not reporting that mining is their primary business now.

Forget NV.

Shady is as Shady Does. Life is like a box of shaders, you never know who will deliver. :D

As far as I know crypto is dead for now, and the one relevant coin that was frequently mined is changing their algorithm so it’s not minable anymore, this means, another mining hike is unlikely this year or even next. Typical crypto, it’s a up and down, intervals. Every few years it comes and goes away again.

eazenAs far as I know crypto is dead for now, and the one relevant coin that was frequently mined is changing their algorithm so it’s not minable anymore, this means, another mining hike is unlikely this year or even next. Typical crypto, it’s a up and down, intervals. Every few years it comes and goes away again.

If you're right, we'll see good prices, if your wrong we'll see a repeat.

DeathtoGnomesIf you're right, we'll see good prices, if your wrong we'll see a repeat.

www.tomshardware.com/news/ethereum-hits-15-month-low-as-the-merge-is-delayed-again
Useful info

eazenwww.tomshardware.com/news/ethereum-hits-15-month-low-as-the-merge-is-delayed-again
Useful info

irrelevant when you're trying to predictspeculate several months down the road.

DeathtoGnomesirrelevant when you're trying to predictspeculate several months down the road.

Did you even read the article? Guess not. Oof, a lot of aggressive and unbalanced members in this forum.

DeathtoGnomesirrelevant when you're trying to predictspeculate several months down the road.

Also no speculation needed, inform yourself better instead of being aggressive. Imagine, reading helps.

eazenDid you even read the article? Guess not. Oof, a lot of aggressive and unbalanced members in this forum.


Also no speculation needed, inform yourself better instead of being aggressive. Imagine, reading helps.

No need to get nasty. I am so unbalanced I fell out of chair laughing at this.

I did read. The article is speculating based on other speculation of the Ethereum market, and Eth is not the entire market nor is it BTC. They might follow each others price trends but its not an exact match.

DeathtoGnomesNo need to get nasty. I am so unbalanced I fell out of chair laughing at this.

I did read. The article is speculating based on other speculation of the Ethereum market, and Eth is not the entire market nor is it BTC. They might follow each others price trends but its not an exact match.

Who exactly is nasty here? I posted you a website to give you some info and you reacted nasty, maybe stop projecting.

Nothing is speculation here, it’s well known by now that always after the bubble is burst everything takes years again to get to the next crypto bubble. Aside from the hard fact that ETH will not be minable anymore. Maybe inform yourself better, instead of falling out of chairs. Lol

eazenWho exactly is nasty here? I posted you a website to give you some info and you reacted nasty, maybe stop projecting.

Nothing is speculation here, it’s well known by now that always after the bubble is burst everything takes years again to get to the next crypto bubble. Aside from the hard fact that ETH will not be minable anymore. Maybe inform yourself better, instead of falling out of chairs. Lol

Stop baiting. Anything having to do with the future is not set in stone, its speculation.

Again I'll reiterate, what I said is NOT directed at Eth only.

DeathtoGnomesStop baiting. Anything having to do with the future is not set in stone, its speculation.

Again I'll reiterate, what I said is NOT directed at Eth only.

Not really baiting, try to be nicer person in the future, perhaps.

And? Maybe reread my posts , I didn’t talk about eth only either. Last time I checked the crypto bubble isn’t ETH only. Multiple times of “reading would clearly help” here.

eazenNot really baiting, try to be nicer person in the future, perhaps.

And? Maybe reread my posts , I didn’t talk about eth only either. Last time I checked the crypto bubble isn’t ETH only. Multiple times of “reading would clearly help” here.

That article was all about Eth or didnt you read it?

When you suggest someone is unbalanced, thats baiting. I never did say anything directly to you or about you, so I dont understand the hostility toward me or what I posted, I'm done with you, welcome to ignore.

DeathtoGnomesThat article was all about Eth or didnt you read it?

When you suggest someone is unbalanced, thats baiting. I never did say anything directly to you or about you, so I dont understand the hostility toward me or what I posted, I'm done with you, welcome to ignore.

Another good riddance, trying to be helpful and get a toxic reaction, yea I won’t miss that in my life.

The article isn’t 100% about eth, tell me you didn’t read it without saying it. And I surely didn’t talk about eth only. But eth was significant for the mining crisis, so.

Razrback16Yep. I've bought my last two cards 2nd hand and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future as well. I used to buy direct from NVidia on launch and install my own waterblocks as soon as they became available...now I just wait for a good deal on a card that already has a block installed thanks to the ridiculous overpricing the last two cycles. This is the situation NVidia created and I'm happy to not buy their hardware new.

I wouldn't bother buying it used either

silentbogoWhere did this all come from? I'm kinda still standing with my toes dry, and someone is talking about flood?
Moore's Law is Dead is a f$#%in shmuck - he has no "sources", and only gained popularity after gettingguessing one thing right before everyone else (I don't even remember which one, that's how long ago that was), but you know what they say about blind squirrels....

After the experience with 2017 mining boom, and repeat in 2021 - miners won't sell cards en-masse. You may be able to get it a tad below scalping prices, but NOT at MSRP or lower. The reason - no one knows when these cards become super-profitable again, so they'll "hodl" the hardware. Heck, I remember during this hike something like an old P104-100 farm was pumping out over $30/day profit(only for a day or so, but still).

The squirrels bit, you mean lemmings

AusWolfThis doesn't sound logical to me at all.

The used market brings nothing to Nvidia's table. If they launched the 40-series now, it would only push down the price of used 30-series cards. Why would Nvidia even care?

But it would still mean less new gen sales. They already went through this once before with Turing, the market was flooded with used mining cards and their sales suffered a lot. A lot of people will still prefer to buy new, but a lot won't and pushing prices down will help that.

TomgangIt would not surprize me. For what i have seen, Nvidia have all ready lowered the order of GPU chips from TSMC and with mining GPU flodding the used market.

This claim was made by that Youtuber as well, but anyone making a such claim doesn't understand how microprocessors are made. Production of a batch of chips takes ~4 months, so anything coming out of the factories in the next months was decided many months ago. The amount of wafers are decided years in advance, which is why Nvidia and AMD can't do much with their production volume in the short term. They can adjust which chips they make within their wafer allocations, but even that takes ~6 months to take affect in the market.
Also the Ampere chips are made by Samsung, so that's not even relevant, which limits this to RTX 40 series, which will be in very limited quantity anyways this year.
It's extremely unlikely that Nvidia would cancel some of their RTX 40 batches, as ordering more later would be much more cosyly. If Nvidia will be holding back anything artificially, they would just stockpile the chips.

TheDeeGeeWhy doesn't Nvidia buy them back, test them and refurbish... after all they sold them by the pallets directly to miners, fix ur own shit instead of letting people buy defective 70C damp shed abused miner cards.

It would be virtually impossible for Nvidia to determine how "worn" the GPUs are.

RecusWhy people keep watching these tech illtreated Youtubers and tech sites reposting them? Moore's Law Is Dead "sources" confirmed Nvidia stopped RTX 30, 3090Ti delayed indefinitely etc. etc. His report is based on Digitimes article. Why repost if new leak showed up?

www.techpowerup.com/296396/nvidia-to-cut-down-tsmc-5nm-orders-with-the-crypto-gravy-train-derailed-amd-could-benefit

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1544992248235847680

Tech news sites needs to stop caring about these random Youtubers all together. That guy is one of many who just searches Reddit, forums and news sites for trends and rumors and makes some guesses around that.
Anyone who stops to think about it would realize that there is no chance a random guy has numerous sources inside Nvidia, AMD, Intel, etc. willing to risk their careers for feeding him some spicy info.
And as I've been saying for years, you can debunk most of these guys from basic facts, like architectural features and hardware designs don't change last minute (while prices and clocks can), so when you catch them with any such discrepancy, then you know they are lying.

AusWolfThis doesn't sound logical to me at all.

The used market brings nothing to Nvidia's table. If they launched the 40-series now, it would only push down the price of used 30-series cards. Why would Nvidia even care?

Not to mention that the second-hand GPU market isn't widespread globally.
If anything, I would say mining has ruined the second-hand market.

Ngreedias prices won't change. They will charge AIBs what they charge them. AIB pricing will go all spastic if they don't come out of the gates selling like hotcakes and they won't, so they will. There is no way possible the AIBs or Ngreedia are ever going to come close to selling the volume they did in 20/21. They can wait a month or two or six to release, it isn't going to change anything. That's why this rumour is so utterly and completely garbage.

There is no crypto boom to prop the gpu turds up this time around. Now their share holders get to feel the pain. And as we all know doo doo rolls downhill :P

Nvidia should have looked after their legitimate consumers a long time ago. I'm not going to pay anywhere near rrp for a 30 series card.

They should sell them to consumers at a massive reduction as an apology to those who missed out in the last two years due to the way they handled their stock.

At least now all know where all those GPUs been all this time. Crypto miners had a splendid time with all the GPUs they got from NV. If you guys think NV didnt sell all those to miners remember they have refused to disclose profits from card sold to miners. Now the market is flooded but it would seem the prices are still high for NV cards. Bummer huh.
4000 series delayed, makes you think, Is NV waiting for another mining activity increase? God hope not.

Serves them well.

eazenThe sad thing is, even if Radeon is 2 months earlier, I doubt it will be a problem for Nvidia, their mindshare and popularity is still way too strong (and many don’t even know Radeon). Like I said earlier, the gpu market is very much more like a monopoly, Nvidia did whatever they wanted the last years, and they got away with it too.

That is why we had lower end GPUs beat 3080 on VRAM size... Oh wait, NV actually was forced by AMD to drop a tier, and drop price too (rendering 20GB too expensive).

The only thing NV "did whatever they wanted" with 3000 series was crypto-bazinga hype.

RDNA2 has apparently wrecked entire green lineup.

And there is no sign of AMD lowering the pressure.

ChaitanyaAMD went through twice with regards to pain of crypto crash and this time around with nVidia they are really going to suffer worse from looming recession, drop in sales(now that people are allowed to go outside) and crypto crash.

Agree, both will suffer. It seems ridiculous to write we're allowed outside now... the only reason I was prepared to spend 800 on a 6800xt was due to being stuck inside...

Not much market for 600w+ GPU, they'll have to be much cheaper.

HyderzJensen : No fix and sell! Just Sell!

Sir, you deserve a cookie!

Nvodoa do not care about mortal, neither do AMD :D