They will have no problem selling the 4000 series card, even with the flood of minings cards, they are faster cards, better cards.

They will have a problem selling the 4000 series at the absurd prices they want to sell them, especially when they flooded the market with cards trying to cash in on miners.

It's all a question of price, sell them lower, bring MSRP back down, you can do it, especially with all the money you got selling overpriced cards in the 2000 and 3000 series. You'll have no problem and you'll se the cards flying of the shelves.

Bomby569They will have no problem selling the 4000 series card, even with the flood of minings cards, they are faster cards, better cards.

They will have a problem selling the 4000 series at the absurd prices they want to sell them, especially when they flooded the market with cards trying to cash in on miners.

It's all a question of price, sell them lower, bring MSRP back down, you can do it, especially with all the money you got selling overpriced cards in the 2000 and 3000 series. You'll have no problem and you'll se the cards flying of the shelves.

corporate greed .....mother of all evil

Bomby569It's all a question of price,

I would add that is also a question of AMD releasing the 7xxx cards. If they do it earlier by a few months than Nvidia, then they might get more sales than if they release them at the same time or close to NV. But it is all about that corporate espionage and/or if AMD and NV have a back room deal to maximize profit for both, in this unusual times with a crypto crash and a economic recession in USA and EU.

Chrispy_Nvidia have shown quite indisputably that they don't care about gamers, so I'm not sure why gamers should be in a hurry to buy the next golden egg that Nvidia lay.

If you have a 3070 or better it's genuinely hard to find titles that don't run well on it. If you ignore the broken mess that is CP2077, buying a faster graphics card than that is just a solution looking for a problem until game developers start really releasing things that need more. The big-budget UE5 games that might fit that bill are 18 months out still...

It's the A.D.D. generation. 3-5 years minimum for me...................if there is something worthwhile. If not, longer then.

im going for a 3070 to complete this build dont see going any higher with the cpu i have

Damn Nvidia when AMD does everyone a favour and has lots of great GPU's all at very reasonable prices sometimes below retail just because they love us all and are not in business to make money at all.

AusWolfThis doesn't sound logical to me at all.

The used market brings nothing to Nvidia's table. If they launched the 40-series now, it would only push down the price of used 30-series cards. Why would Nvidia even care?

Not only that the first few months of the launches are usually higher-end gpus anyways so there's literally no reason why they can't release the 4080 and while just continue selling the 3000 series.

This is especially true for gpus like the 3050, 3060, 3060 TI. It's going to be at least March anyways before the successors to those are out so they can easily just sell them at a price reduction even with the high-end 4000 series launching in the fall

TiggerDamn Nvidia when AMD does everyone a favour and has lots of great GPU's all at very reasonable prices sometimes below retail just because they love us all and are not in business to make money at all.

we go back and forth on this, they are the same, exactly the same greed, but we also have this discussions.

Bomby569we go back and forth on this, they are the same, exactly the same greed, but we also have this discussions.

Sorry should have added the /s at the end. thought it might have come across as sarcasm without the /s

TiggerSorry should have added the /s at the end. thought it might have come across as sarcasm without the /s

i understood it was sarcasm, i was agreeing with you. I was just saying we always have some fanboy claiming one is so difference and much better (usually for amd) when it's so clear they are the 3 the same greedy bastards that couldn't care less about consumers, only care when things aren't going right. Intel now is the cheaper one and AMD is increasing prices and doing anti consumer shit (gpus lacking features and locked artificially for example).

tussinmanNot only that the first few months of the launches are usually higher-end gpus anyways so there's literally no reason why they can't release the 4080 and while just continue selling the 3000 series.

This is especially true for gpus like the 3050, 3060, 3060 TI. It's going to be at least March anyways before the successors to those are out so they can easily just sell them at a price reduction even with the high-end 4000 series launching in the fall

So why are you guys buying the premise of this article then?
Several of us have pointed out that the claims from this Youtuber is BS at best.

While there is no question that these companies are greedy, have you stopped a minute to consider that they may be weighing whether to launch early with limited availability or to launch a little later with better availability? (with AiB partner cards) This matter is something that "no one" seems to understand with every GPU launch, the fact that the GPUs coming from the factory is going to be a steady stream that Nvidia can't change at this point.
Regardless, the date that you will be getting your hands on one is probably going to be the same regardless of this card launching in October or December. And I expect a "4060" sometime next year anyways…

Both ngreedia and AMD are going to be sorely disappointed with this launch. People are getting sticker shocked here in the US left and right with the prices of literally everything going up. They could go back 2016 prices and it's probably not going to help them meet their quarterly projections (whatever they are). Like I said before, this isn't 20/21. It will make zero difference when ngreedia launches these cards. People aren't flush with cash this go around. They are worried about paying their mortgage and making those car payments and getting groceries! Combine that with crypto crashing...their formerly massive customer base has dried right up compared to the 3000 series. This shit is going to be hilarious. I can't wait to see what kind of retarded video leather jacket boy puts out this year. I predict a bathroom backdrop bidet and all hahaha.

I'm a PC hardware enthusiast, long time nerd, and have spent years of my life at a computer playing video games.

What can we do as normal people to get these graphic card prices down?

I know markets, resources, energy, and inflation are major uncontrollable factors that we can't influence, so what can I do as a consumer to try to change these behemoths?

Thanks

Ultra TacoI'm a PC hardware enthusiast, long time nerd, and have spent years of my life at a computer playing video games.

What can we do as normal people to get these graphic card prices down?

I know markets, resources, energy, and inflation are major uncontrollable factors that we can't influence, so what can I do as a consumer to try to change these behemoths?

Thanks

Honestly.
Stop buying gpus.
Not a very pleasant (or realistic for many) solution but its really the only way to force prices back down.

Edit- Where you been Taco? Haven't seen you in a long long time!

DeathtoGnomesI think the 'flood' is 30series is dual purpose, 1) the market crash trigger the flood 2) a sell off to prepare for 40 series cards.

Nvidia keeping track of the used card market looks like its a boon for them, and the delay gives miners time to sell off everything so they can purchase new 40 series direct from Nvidia, like they did with the 30xx cards.

That assumes there are enough people to buy all those mining cards, which is extremely unlikely given the number of cards they sold to miners.

Many people are already holding out of next gen. Moving it two to fourth months back is just going to piss people off and give them less of an incentive to buy. Mind you people already weren't expecting to be able to buy 4000 series cards at launch. From the constant increases in pricing to the tiered roll-out of cards to gouge customer's wallets to the lack of stock at launch, I have zero interest in GPU launches. There's no reason to get excited for something where you have to jump through so many hoops just to get screwed over.

Nvidia is good at inventing new ways to further that. I congratulate them on killing the excitement of enthusiasts around the world.

Ultra TacoI'm a PC hardware enthusiast, long time nerd, and have spent years of my life at a computer playing video games.

What can we do as normal people to get these graphic card prices down?

I know markets, resources, energy, and inflation are major uncontrollable factors that we can't influence, so what can I do as a consumer to try to change these behemoths?

Thanks

Upgrade less, don't buy unless you are getting a solid increase in price to performance that doesn't come with other drawbacks.

efikkanSo why are you guys buying the premise of this article then?
Several of us have pointed out that the claims from this Youtuber is BS at best.

Some people have limited capacity in assessing the plausibility of rumors.

There are a number of factors that NVIDIA has to weigh if they delay the GeForce 40 series.

The most pressing concern would be a lack of expected revenue. Shareholders have some revenue expectations. The market is forward focused. Not meeting expectations is one problem. The other big one that often affects the share price more is future guidance/expectations. If NVIDIA revises guidance down mid-quarter, the stock will get slaughtered (and it's already taken a beating in 2022).

The second issue is competition. If AMD can release RDNA3 first without NVIDIA barking at their heels, they can increase mindshare and hopefully marketshare. This isn't limited to the DIY after-market AIB market, this also includes graphics card availability from the large system builders (Dell, HP, etc.) which both companies gave prioritized allocations in 2020.

Both companies are expecting a certain amount of retraction in the gaming business (which includes crypto mining business).

For sure both companies will be more focused in the next few quarters on their datacenter business. Data Center is actually now NVDIA's large business (I believe it's 45% versus Gaming's 44%) and Data Center has a far higher YoY growth rate than Gaming. So NVIDIA holding back on Ada GPUs (or whatever they're called) will negatively impact Data Center business revenue.

There are a bunch of other factors as well, like currency rate fluctuation and the ability of certain markets to accept price increases. There's also the topic of gross margin.

And let's not forget that the flood of used graphics cards can't be used in notebook computers.

It's not like NVIDIA can release mobile GPUs long before they upgrade professional workstation and consumer desktop GPUs.

Nvidia can fall on this sword, alone. They were the ones that purposely sold massive crates and shipments to Miners and Scalpers. They were the ones that decided to freeze out the gamers. They were greedy and didn't even consider gamers until the cryptos crash. And by then, they had already flooded the market with additional cards for the above targeted parties.

Now retailers can't move inventory for the incoming 40 Series. Nvidia is trying to hold their inflated prices steady, but they're fighting a bad world economy, on top of stubborn gamers waiting for the next-generation

This is where gamers need to hold steady and not buy.

Otherwise, they'll just do it again. Don't buy used or new. Ignore them altogether until their prices are well below MSRP. They'll either take the hit for the rest of this generation or risk devaluation of their products due to overabundance, henceforth. Either way is fine.

I know a guy that got a used 2070 super for $170 recently. It's hard to argue with prices that low as long as you actually get a working card.

hatI know a guy that got a used 2070 super for $170 recently. It's hard to argue with prices that low as long as you actually get a working card.

I hear ya, I just saw a 2080super sell for $280 or $290 shipped (i forget the exact price, it was a couple of days ago). It lasted about 2 minutes. Granted, it was definitely not the norm but people aren't going to be able to help themselves with prices like that. Ngreedia will eventually have to come to terms with the fact that people love good deals. And new cards have to contend with the warm fuzzy people get when they buy a card at a fraction of it's original price. They've created a beautiful mess for themselves.

maxflyHonestly.
Stop buying gpus.
Not a very pleasant (or realistic for many) solution but its really the only way to force prices back down.

Edit- Where you been Taco? Haven't seen you in a long long time!

Got married, am a step father now, so I've been giving my step son all the video games and hardware I wished I had growin' up. That's one of the reasons its important to me- aside from my own lifetime of investment hunched over a computer screen - I built him a PC starting a year ago and the prices were insane for graphics cards so I waited, finally bit the bullet recently but paid $130 over msrp. I work for peanuts, so my money means hours of my life (like everyone else).

Waifu Hunter 2.0This is where gamers need to hold steady and not buy.

Otherwise, they'll just do it again. Don't buy used or new. Ignore them altogether until their prices are well below MSRP. They'll either take the hit for the rest of this generation or risk devaluation of their products due to overabundance, henceforth. Either way is fine.

LOL, you're directing your comments at the wrong readership.

Look at the GPU subforums. They are littered with requests for help finding factory BIOSes for newly acquired used graphics cards. I get the feeling that three quarters of the posts in 2022 have been of this type.

Don't forget what P.T. Barnum said...

:):p:D

Intel and Nvidia are usually ruthless with their pricing in general when they have peformance dominance in the market.
ZEN 1/2/3 brought down those 14nm Intel over priced CPUs down.

It's only strong competition form AMD that we even have cheap 10nm Alder Lake CPUs not that it came from intel loving their customers.

Yes AMD is there to make a profit just like all companys do but don't screw their customers over like how Intel and Nvidia has done so several times in the past.

If there was no AMD, intel would be on 14nm+++++..... :p and Nvidia GPUs prices would be :kookoo:.

Competition is good for everyone especially the end user.

ratirtAt least now all know where all those GPUs been all this time. Crypto miners had a splendid time with all the GPUs they got from NV. If you guys think NV didnt sell all those to miners remember they have refused to disclose profits from card sold to miners. Now the market is flooded but it would seem the prices are still high for NV cards. Bummer huh.
4000 series delayed, makes you think, Is NV waiting for another mining activity increase? God hope not.

Ofc they are waiting for mining, nv dgaf about anyone

The KingIntel and Nvidia are usually ruthless with their pricing in general when they have peformance dominance in the market.
ZEN 1/2/3 brought down those 14nm Intel over priced CPUs down.

It's only strong competition form AMD that we even have cheap 10nm Alder Lake CPUs not that it came from intel loving their customers.

Yes AMD is there to make a profit just like all companys do but don't screw their customers over like how Intel and Nvidia has done so several times in the past.

If there was no AMD, intel would be on 14nm+++++..... :p and Nvidia GPUs prices would be :kookoo:.

Competition is good for everyone especially the end user.

What competition? This move is essentially Nvidia competing with themselves.

cvaldesSome people have limited capacity in assessing the plausibility of rumors.

There are a number of factors that NVIDIA has to weigh if they delay the GeForce 40 series.

The most pressing concern would be a lack of expected revenue. Shareholders have some revenue expectations. The market is forward focused. Not meeting expectations is one problem. The other big one that often affects the share price more is future guidance/expectations. If NVIDIA revises guidance down mid-quarter, the stock will get slaughtered (and it's already taken a beating in 2022).

The second issue is competition. If AMD can release RDNA3 first without NVIDIA barking at their heels, they can increase mindshare and hopefully marketshare. This isn't limited to the DIY after-market AIB market, this also includes graphics card availability from the large system builders (Dell, HP, etc.) which both companies gave prioritized allocations in 2020.

Both are arguments not to postpone artificially, but might not matter a lot supplies will be limited anyways.

cvaldesBoth companies are expecting a certain amount of retraction in the gaming business (which includes crypto mining business).

We'll see. There are also a lot of gamers who have been waiting for prices to come down who probably have money put aside.
Anyways it's easy to forget that Nvidia sells millions of graphics cards and mining only makes up a few percent of these sales, and that Nvidia don't make more money from retailers selling over MSRP. Yet it doesn't take much shortage in the market and a group of customers willing to pay extra (miners) to inflate prices like crazy.

If anything, (lack of) media hype about mining/crypto will probably have more of an impact on stock prizes than actual miners.

And to address the inflation/economic struggles that others have mentioned repeatedly;
The struggles are absolutely real, but inflation has been this way for over a year now, and people seem to be spending too much on vacations and social activities for these hard times, so I don't expect a major drop in GPU sales.

cvaldesIt's not like NVIDIA can release mobile GPUs long before they upgrade professional workstation and consumer desktop GPUs.

Unlikely to happen as mobile GPUs usually are either cherry-picked chips or separate chip designs.