Monday, September 12th 2022

Intel Core i9-13900KS Could be World's First 6 GHz Processor

With Intel's 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" facing stiff competition from AMD's Ryzen 7000 series, and the "Zen 4" series being augmented with 7000X3D series in early-2023, it's becoming a foregone conclusion that Intel will launch a possible "Core i9-13900KS" SKU, which is on its way to being the world's first desktop processor that can boost up to the 6.00 GHz mark. The processor should be able to boost its 8 "Raptor Cove" P-cores to the 6.00 GHz mark, given that the maximum boost frequency of the stock i9-13900K is already rumored to be at 5.70 GHz.

At its Tech Tour event in Israel, Intel confirmed that "Raptor Lake" brings a 15% single-threaded, and 41% multi-threaded performance gain over "Alder Lake." The single-threaded gain is from the higher IPC of the "Raptor Cove" P-core, coupled with its frequency set as high as 5.70 GHz; whereas the multi-threaded performance gain is a combination of increased IPC of the P-cores, and increased frequencies for both the P-cores and E-cores. The E-core clusters get more shared L2 cache, which should improve their performance, too.
Sources: Ian Cutress (Twitter), VideoCardz, Andreas Schilling
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51 Comments on Intel Core i9-13900KS Could be World's First 6 GHz Processor

#1
JAB Creations
6GHz base clock would be impressive. Oh wait, boost clocks? Those don't count. That's like going to a race as a spectator, seeing the finish line before the race has even started and saying, "I finished!".
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#2
Crackong
8GHz OC WR?

Did they actually looked up the OC WR ?

Btw, That 'Ghz' is a terrible mistake if it is an official Intel PPT
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#3
john_
LOL. AMD's 5.7GHz spoiled Intel's marketing?

Anyway. Unnecessary move, considering they will have the opportunity to advertise the maximum number of cores on the mainstream market. But it will help them to get on the top spots on benchmark charts, making people think that Intel's CPUs are the most advanced.
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#4
ratirt
john_LOL. AMD's 5.7GHz spoiled Intel's marketing?

Anyway. Unnecessary move, considering they will have the opportunity to advertise the maximum number of cores on the mainstream market. But it will help them to get on the top spots on benchmark charts, making people think that Intel's CPUs are the most advanced.
Or maybe boosted Intels frequency and doubled the power consumed? Since Intel is advertising the 6ghz, the idea of an Intel top chip sucking 400watts seems plausible now.
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#5
Melvis
Worlds first CPU to combust at 6GHz......
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#6
fevgatos
Ipc increase over alderlake? Doubt
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#7
Unregistered
Given that high end AIOs struggle with 12900KS what kind of cooling solution you'd need to cool this alleged CPU?
#8
Fasola
Time to bring that old chiller out.
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#9
user556
MelvisWorlds first CPU to combust at 6GHz......
:)
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#10
Outback Bronze
Looking forward to reviews to see how much higher these can be clocked.
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#11
ratirt
I see that the advertisement and bragging is about the OC. Like it matters much though. It would seem this has nothing to cover except an OC numbers.
To be fair this does not look promising.
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#12
Solid State Brain
Lower-than-average silicon quality 12900KS had an internally programmed voltage target above 1.5V for the highest frequency point of 5500 MHz, I wonder if the 13900KS will go beyond that.

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#13
Dirt Chip
Well, thay need something to counter the 3D AMD magic chips.

A '6GHz first' can definitely do PR work very well.
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#14
Frank_100
FasolaTime to bring that old chiller out.
and the fish tank with 3m fluid.
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#15
ARF
JAB Creations6GHz base clock would be impressive. Oh wait, boost clocks? Those don't count. That's like going to a race as a spectator, seeing the finish line before the race has even started and saying, "I finished!".
What is "base clock"?

For example, on my Ryzen 9 5900X, it should be 3.7 GHz, but CPU-Z reports 3.599 GHz as the lowest, while the Task Manager 3.8 GHz as the lowest but most of the time around 4.0 GHz.
And even that is wrong reporting because the CPU must idle at much lower clock.
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#16
dgianstefani
TPU Proofreader
So the CPU can draw up to 400 w if pushed to 6 Ghz? Ok? The people who want that can cool it, it's a similar load to GPUs, which have been successfully watercooled with ambient hardware for years.

For the people who are happy with "just" 5.8ghz, i'm sure that will be doable on a single core within around 250 w.

Anyway, let's wait and see what happens before jumping to conclusions.
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#18
Richards
Intel 10nm is superior to tsmc's 5nm.. intel 4 will break the 10ghz
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#19
usiname
dgianstefaniSo the CPU can draw up to 400 w if pushed to 6 Ghz? Ok? The people who want that can cool it, it's a similar load to GPUs, which have been successfully watercooled with ambient hardware for years.

For the people who are happy with "just" 5.8ghz, i'm sure that will be doable on a single core within around 250 w.

Anyway, let's wait and see what happens before jumping to conclusions.
400w, but on ~240-250mm^2 at most.
The most power hungry GPUs were 350-400w with >600mm^2 die
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#20
dgianstefani
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usiname400w, but on ~240-250mm^2 at most.
The most power hungry GPUs were 350-400w with >600mm^2 die
Fixed with good IHS substrate and solder, further fixed if you delid and apply liquid metal. For the people who care about 200Mhz 6Ghz numbers, this isn't a significant obstacle.

There's also TEC coolers which Intel has recently pushed. Just an engineering/design challenge really. CPU's aren't going to change anytime soon in their die sizes compared to GPUs, and the bleeding edge of performance will always cost that exponential bit more.
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#21
ARF
RichardsIntel 10nm is superior to tsmc's 5nm.. intel 4 will break the 10ghz
Funny and wrong.
CPU micro-architectures have different designs which define the frequency potential and ceilings.
It might be that the intel micro-architecture has more pipeline stages.

I don't think there is a problem to clock a 45 nm chip up to 7 GHz. AMD Phenom II Processor is Overclocked to 6.93 GHz | WIRED
Or a 32 nm Bulldozer up to 8.4 GHz. AMD overclocks Bulldozer to 8.429GHz | bit-tech.net
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#22
fevgatos
dgianstefaniFixed with good IHS substrate and solder, further fixed if you delid and apply liquid metal. For the people who care about 200Mhz 6Ghz numbers, this isn't a significant obstacle.

There's also TEC coolers which Intel has recently pushed. Just an engineering/design challenge really. CPU's aren't going to change anytime soon in their die sizes compared to GPUs, and the bleeding edge of performance will always cost that exponential bit more.
Tec coolers are useless for all core workloads
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#23
dgianstefani
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fevgatosTec coolers are useless for all core workloads
Good thing 6 Ghz won't be an all core workload then.
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#24
Arco
The race to get the most power-hungry sand square of 2023 has started.
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#25
fevgatos
dgianstefaniGood thing 6 Ghz won't be an all core workload then.
Sure but then you dont need a tec. Im doing 5.8 on a small air cooler
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