Saturday, September 24th 2022

SiSoftware Tests the Ryzen 5 7600X, Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 9 7950X

The first reliable benchmark figures of AMD's Ryzen 7000-series CPUs have arrived, courtesy of SiSoftware. The benchmark suite software developer has released benchmark figures for the Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 9 7950X. Keep in mind that these benchmarks are limited to the different tests in SiSoftware Sandra. Also note that the graphs for the Ryzen 5 7600X have typos, as the SiSoftware wrote Ryzen 5 7760X instead of 7600X and the Core i5-12600K is listed as a Core i7 CPU. Starting with the 7600X, the CPU appears to perform similar to, or slightly slower than the Intel Core i5-12600K in the arithmetic tests. On the other hand, it handily crushes the older Ryzen 5 5600X in every test here, by somewhere between 17 and 36 percent depending on the test.

Moving on to the vector SIMD tests, AMD's Zen 4 architecture shows much greater performance improvements, beating the Intel Core i5-12600K in all but one of the tests, where it loses by a fairly small margin. Here it beats the Ryzen 5 5600X by anything from 28 to a massive 86 percent. Where AMD's Zen 4 architecture really kicks things up a notch is in the image processing test, at least compared to the Zen 3 architecture, thanks to its AVX512 capabilities. As such, it's over twice as fast in many of the tests, but it still loses out in half of the tests to Intel's Core i5-12600K. AMD has also improved the inter-thread/core latency in the same module, by a not insignificant amount. Where the Ryzen 5 7600X doesn't fare so well is when it comes to performance vs. power, largely due to the fact that AMD moved the TDP from 65 to 105 W, but it still offers better performance per Watt than Intel's current models.

Update 17:31 UTC: Updated with the Ryzen 7 7700X results.
Moving on to the Ryzen 9 7950X things are looking a lot more impressive, beating all the current competition by quite some margin. On average in the arithmetic test, the Ryzen 9 7950X beats its predecessor by anywhere from 30 to 45 percent, with the Intel Core i9-12900K falling even further behind. The latter wasn't unexpected, as the Ryzen 9 5950X was already beating it in this test. In the vector SIMD tests we're seeing similar results, with the Ryzen 9 7950X outclassing the competition by an average of 60 percent improved performance. Things are looking even better in the image processing test, with the Ryzen 9 7950X being twice as fast or faster than the Ryzen 9 5950X, in five out of eight tests. It does lose out to the Intel Core i9-12900K in one of the tests by a fair margin, but beats it in most of the other tests by an equally fair or sometimes even bigger margin.

As with the Ryzen 6 7600X, the inter-thread/core latency has been improved, but the inter-module latency has increased by almost 10 ns versus the Ryzen 9 5950X in SiSoftware's tests. Thanks to its huge overall increase in performance, the performance vs. power efficiency improves over the Ryzen 9 5950X, even though it's only by seven percent, once again thanks to AMD's change in TDP levels, this time from 142 to 230 Watt. It'll be interesting to see how Intel's 13th generation of Core i processors will compare, but based on the SiSoftware numbers, the Ryzen 9 7950X looks like it's going to be a performance beast when it comes to multitasking applications.

As SiSoftware had also tested the Ryzen 7 7700X, we thought it only prudent to add the results of the same tests that we did for the other two CPUs. It seems to be on par with Intel's Core i7-12700K in the arithmetic tests, but outperforms it with a reasonable margin in all of the vector SIMD tests. In the image processing tests it's some wins, some losses, but overall among all the tests, AMD comes out slightly on top of Intel. As the Ryzen 7 7700X is still a 105 W part, it performs the best in SiSoftwares performance vs. power comparison, being 39 percent more power efficient than the Ryzen 7 5800X.
Sources: SiSoftware Ryzen 5 7600X, SiSoftware Ryzen 9 7950X
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72 Comments on SiSoftware Tests the Ryzen 5 7600X, Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 9 7950X

#51
gruffi
ZetZetMan this generation is depressing me on both CPU and GPU sides. Nvidia barely lifted the performance/price (debatable if they did at all). And at the price 7600X comes in I would have hoped that it would demolish 12600K, not just match it for the most part. 12600K has already come down in price AND you can save a lot with DDR4.
The 12600K came down in price? Good joke. It's more expensive than it was after launch. It costs ~320 EUR here in Germany. At that price I would definitely go with Ryzen 7600X. Sure, the 12600K might still be somewhat competitive under full load because it has 67% more cores. But how important is that? Not very much for most people. Most daily tasks utilize up to only a few cores. The 7600X will be faster and more power efficient then.
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#52
ZetZet
gruffiThe 12600K came down in price? Good joke. It's more expensive than it was after launch. It costs ~320 EUR here in Germany. At that price I would definitely go with Ryzen 7600X. Sure, the 12600K might still be somewhat competitive under full load because it has 67% more cores. But how important is that? Not very much for most people. Most daily tasks utilize up to only a few cores. The 7600X will be faster and more power efficient then.
That's just EUR dropping compared to USD. You can't blame Intel for the collapsing economy. 7600X will cost around 370 EUR.
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#53
gruffi
DenverThe 4090 has twice the performance of the 3090ti
Yeah, like the 3080 had 2x the performance of 2080. At least according to Nvidia. Until reviews debunked that bold claim, showing only ~40-70% depending on the resolution. ^^ I wouldn't give anything about Nvidia's cherry picking. 2x+ maybe in selected games with gimmicks like DLSS and RT. If I look at the specs I would rather expect more like 50-70% uplift in general. I'm also unsure if I would use DLSS3 to boost performance. Some DLSS3 images I've seen so far show awful quality. Much worse than native rendering. The latency issue with DLSS3 might be another disappointment. Which definitely has to be examined. Pure fps is not everything.
ZetZetThat's just EUR dropping compared to USD.
I think it's not just because of that. Intel's client margins dropped to a disastrous level. They need to increase prices. They actually sold Alder Lake under value. And Raptor Lake will be even more expensive because it uses an almost 25% larger chip.
ARFI am quite sure that 99.9% of the users don't need AVX-512. Even moreso, when intel doesn't support it and doesn't see the need to include it.
Intel actually DOES support it on the p-cores. But with their awful hybrid design it's probably a hassle to use it in a reasonable way. Because the e-cores don't support it.
ARFIt better be. Jumping from 105-watt straight to 170-watt is a serious business and better you have a justification for that ugly and terrible move.
It's not ugly or terrible. It's necessary for upcoming designs with more cores, like Zen 5. Ugly and terrible is only the 350W unlimited mode of Raptor Lake. Which is pure desperation from Intel. Because they know they have no chance against Zen 4 at the same power limit. Even with more cores.
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#54
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
HD64GLook what they have posted and what they called it.

So, you didn't visit their website. Let me help you and your welcome. :toast:
They can call it what they will.

Also, what does this mean?

"The article contains only public information (available elsewhere on the Internet) and not provided under NDA nor embargoed. At publication time, the products have not been directly tested by SiSoftware and thus the accuracy of the benchmark scores cannot be verified; however, they appear consistent and do not appear to be false/fake."
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#55
ZetZet
gruffiI think it's not just because of that. Intel's client margins dropped to a disastrous level. They need to increase prices. They actually sold Alder Lake under value. And Raptor Lake will be even more expensive because it uses an almost 25% larger chip.
No it really is. 12600k is now around 280 USD and it's around 340 in the EU. That's pretty much exactly just VAT. Considering lots of EU countries have tariffs on imported electronics Intel is probably making LESS money from EU sales.
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#56
gruffi
I wasn't talking about VAT. That's another topic.
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#57
ZetZet
gruffiI wasn't talking about VAT. That's another topic.
It's not. You complained about Intel prices in EU. They look like they went up because EUR lost value. VAT was always there. The price went down, just the currency went down faster.
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#58
Valantar
gruffiIntel actually DOES support it on the p-cores
Architecturally, yes, but any BIOS update past a launch Z690 BIOS will disable it through microcode, so it hardly matters that it's there.
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#59
docnorth
mamaI don't agree. Platform longevity is a major factor. AM5 is at the start of the journey. Raptor Lake is the final hurrah for the platform. While Raptor Lake has a more mature platform with conceivably fewer teething issues, if one is putting together a new build then AM5 offers the 7000 generation and several further generations on the same platform which from an economic and eventual stability perspective is the better choice. While I always wait for reviews, those advocating for people to wait for Raptor Lake before jumping have discounted the wider view.
That’s why I expressed my own opinion and way to choose. In case my choice is not so wise or my needs change unexpectedly, I can sell CPU and motherboard (a CPU always needs a mobo, right?) and buy a new combo. It’s a bigger hassle for one day (for other people only a couple of hours), but provides FULL compatibility and functionality in the long-run.
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#60
HD64G
FrickThey can call it what they will.

Also, what does this mean?

"The article contains only public information (available elsewhere on the Internet) and not provided under NDA nor embargoed. At publication time, the products have not been directly tested by SiSoftware and thus the accuracy of the benchmark scores cannot be verified; however, they appear consistent and do not appear to be false/fake."
I have seen much worse "reviews" that were paid in advance to show products being better or worse than they were. Sisoft got the results from someone who got those CPUs and tested them with their software. And they gathered those results in an article that was named as a review which isn't wrong by definition (review=a critical appraisal of a book, play, film, etc. published in a newspaper or magazine). As I see it, those results if the CPUs were tested in stock power limits and not excessive cooling equipment are valid. In a day or so we will be sure.
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#61
trsttte
PepamamiProbably AMD use same CCDs for servers and users
Intel does too (workstation, not necessarily server, but same difference), they just choose the aproach of "it's not validated for consumer use" after the bashing they got on 11th gen because of the very high power consumption under avx512 workloads.
Count von SchwalbeThat sounds likely. What confuses and even baffles me is why Intel included it in the Golden Cove cores - when each CPU is monolithic and is not reused among multiple segments. If the hybrid architecture was to maximize core counts in a given die area, why in thunder did they add the space-hog of AVX-512
They also reuse the CPU in other segment, Xeon for example. The Golden Cove cores are absolutely to increase core count, avx512 is for workstation because they choose to not have it on consumer (as I said above, probably to avoid another round of bashing for high power consumption)
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#62
Xajel
ARFSo, intel doesn't use AVX-512, and somehow AMD thinks it will make use of it? How? When? Why?
Intel promoted it for consumers, And some intel fans were all over the world for this "advantage" over AMD. Now intel is disabling this for consumers.

AVX-512 can do things for consumers, among AV transcoding & AI/ML with the later getting more attention lately. The main reason intel is disabling it is because it caused some issues with their Hybrid architecture, they might get it back when they fix the issues.
ARFIt better be. Jumping from 105-watt straight to 170-watt is a serious business and better you have a justification for that ugly and terrible move.
Going to higher TDP is a market trend, the demand for more performance is stronger than the work on new process technologies and increasing the uArch efficiency, this has been happening since computers were invented, Intel has been increasing their power consumption earlier than AMD but they're doing it behind the scenes because their TDP definition helps them, their CPUs has been consuming a lot of power, 11900K consumed 205W while the newer 12900K is a little bit better at 197W (or 172W with DDR4 instead of DDR5). While the 5950X consumed 101W stock or 149W with PBO.

So you can expect Ryzen 7950X to be around 170W stock or around 230W with PBO if the rumors are true. AMD's definition of TDP always came closer to the actual consumption until you enable PBO, while intel actual consumption is higher than the TDP when in load, even at stock settings. Just a different TDP definition between the two companies where intel goes for Typical Design Power and AMD goes for Thermal Design Power.
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#63
ADB1979
SiSoft Sandra has been a joke for longer than many of the readers here have been alive.

On the plus side, today's youngsters can laugh as SiSoft Sandra making typo's today :D :D :D
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#64
ARF
XajelGoing to higher TDP is a market trend, the demand for more performance is stronger than the work on new process technologies and increasing the uArch efficiency, this has been happening since computers were invented, Intel has been increasing their power consumption earlier than AMD but they're doing it behind the scenes because their TDP definition helps them, their CPUs has been consuming a lot of power, 11900K consumed 205W while the newer 12900K is a little bit better at 197W (or 172W with DDR4 instead of DDR5). While the 5950X consumed 101W stock or 149W with PBO.

So you can expect Ryzen 7950X to be around 170W stock or around 230W with PBO if the rumors are true. AMD's definition of TDP always came closer to the actual consumption until you enable PBO, while intel actual consumption is higher than the TDP when in load, even at stock settings. Just a different TDP definition between the two companies where intel goes for Typical Design Power and AMD goes for Thermal Design Power.
Obviously, but they can't do it no more because there are physical laws and we have no means to remove that heat.
I am not going to buy a 170-watt CPU. EVER!! Whoever does, is not ok, either.

What do you mean by "market trend"? Someone has to accept the responsibility for these execution failures.
The society now demands LESS power, not more power. There are strict environmental/ecological regulations, there is a global warming to fight.
And these shenanigans because they are so incompetent, prefer to increase, not decrease the power consumption.

Honestly, I prefer that these boxes collect dust on the stores shelves, while their makers declare bankruptcies!
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#65
zaku49
So even if raptor lake happens to be a tad faster than the current Zen cpus coming out you know the 3D versions are going to come out later and be much faster where when it comes to intel the current line is what you get, end of support.
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#66
Arkz
Wow they can't even fill in a name properly. I'll wait for actual tests and reviews with various software and games.
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#67
Patriot
DarkswordThis is not very impressive if it's only trading blows with Intel's last-gen part.
ValantarYou're joking, right?
ARF is just a troll, don't feed it. Doesn't respond to anyone that proves them wrong, moves goal post etc etc.
Talks about not wanting a 170w cpu, tells people to wait for the 350w cpu. Sad really.
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#68
1d10t
7600X can only stretch its legs to 12600K, looks unimpressive but they've done it with fewer cores.
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#69
catulitechup
zaku49AVX-512 Patch Brings 30% Performance Uplift to PlayStation 3 Emulator | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)
However i like see zen 4 avx 512 performance because amd avx 512 implementation are different than intel implementation because zen 4 avx 512 i think use 2 fma x 256bit meanwhile avx 512 on intel use 1 fma x 512bit
thats remind me a similar problem with old ryzen with avx 2, in this time dont run enough good avx 2 because amd implementation use 2 fma x 128bit i think meanwhile intel avx 2 implementation use 1 x fma x 256bit

maybe zen 4 have same problem like old ryzen, dont can use full implementation because this use many space on chip aka cheap solution

:)
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#71
Valantar
Prima.VeraWhere are the games tests man??
Not in the SiSoft Sandra test suite, that's for sure.
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#72
Patriot
Prima.VeraWhere are the games tests man??
In the TPU reviews release After NDA today? Summery Wait for X3d or go raptorlake.
For production workloads that 7950x is a beast, runs hot, needs delidding, see debaur for that.
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