Monday, January 9th 2023

MSI Afterburner Developer Hasn't been Paid for a Year, Product Development in Limbo

MSI Afterburner is arguably the most popular graphics card overclocking utility that everyone from gamers to professional overclockers swear by. It is used across graphics card brands, and helps you tune up both NVIDIA and AMD GPUs. While you enjoy Afterburner with your new-generation GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" and Radeon RX 7000 series RDNA3 GPUs that were released in 2022, do remember that Afterburner's developer hasn't been paid a penny for it.

MSI Afterburner is developed by Russian national Alexey Nicolaychuk, who goes by the name Unwinder across tech forums. Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine in early-2022, MSI stopped payments to Unwinder citing "political reasons." Unwinder had been independently (read: without payment) supporting Afterburner out of personal interest throughout 2022 in hopes that MSI would figure out a way to pay him. Interestingly, MSI PC hardware continued to be sold in the Russian market throughout 2022. Despite continuing to develop Afterburner throughout 2022 without payment, MSI hasn't resolved its payments. In a community post, Unwinder announced that he is finally calling it quits, and is halting development of the app. This development ensures that the app works reliably with new GPUs as they're being launched, fixes bugs, and patches security issues.
War and politics are the reasons. I didn't mention it in MSI Afterburner development news thread, but the project is semi abandoned by company during quite a long time already. Actually we're approaching one year mark since the day when MSI stopped performing their obligations under Afterburner license agreement due to "politic situation". I tried to continue performing my obligations and worked on the project on my own during the last 11 months, but it resulted in nothing but disappointment; I have a feeling that I'm just beating a dead horse and waste energy on something that is no longer needed by company. Anyway I'll try to continue supporting it myself while I have some free time, but will probably need to drop it and switch to something else, allowing me to pay my bills.
MSI Afterburner is an important tool used not just for its overclocking features and monitoring on the app's UI, but the in-game overlay feature (ability to have GPU and other real-time stats overlaid on top of game streams). Discontinuation of Afterburner could potentially affect millions of game streamers that rely on this feature. Unwinder clarified that he will continue to support RivaTuner Statistics Server (RTSS), the backend component that makes Afterburner overlay work.

The discontinuation of Afterburner would place the whole graphics card overclocking field in jeopardy. The second most popular app, EVGA Precision X has effectively been discontinued, with the company's exit from the graphics card business; and now the Unwinder-developed Afterburner stares at an uncertain future, too. MSI's reasons for not paying Unwinder are debatable. There are several civilian payment channels to Russia still open. There are also neutral countries like India, which have direct settlement of Russian Rubles without involving US Dollars or SWIFT. MSI India, for example, sells graphics cards for Indian Rupees, and uses Indian banks that can settle Russian Ruble payments to Unwinder on behalf of MSI. Perfectly legal ways to pay Unwinder exist. Unwinder and Afterburner are two precious jewels for the DIY PC enthusiast community, and we hope MSI can sort this out, pay Unwinder his arrears for 2022, and fund continued development of Afterburner.

Update 15:53 UTC: MSI in a statement to Hassan Mujtaba of Wcctech says:
Our product marketing & accounting team are dealing with this problem now. Due to the war, our payment couldn't transfer to the author's bank account successfully. We are still keeping in touch with him and figuring out how to solve this
We will be periodically checking with Unwinder on whether he has been paid.
Source: Unwinder (Guru3D Forums)
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136 Comments on MSI Afterburner Developer Hasn't been Paid for a Year, Product Development in Limbo

#51
claes
I feel like everyone here is having a stronger reaction than unwinder is. Sounds like there was a problem paying him through his bank that just hasn’t been resolved yet. Screw-up on MSI’s part for sure, but unwinder seems to have expected that a resolution would come sooner than later.

Folks pointing to using a third-part as a solution are probably correct, but I could understand why unwinder might not want to deal with that hassle, especiallly while navigating sanctions. Hopefully something works out and he gets back-pay in full and can continue development. Sounds like a nice job.
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#52
lexluthermiester
@ MSI
Seriously? Get your fraking heads out of your bums and get your INTERNATIONALLY ACCLAIMED developer of the INTERNATIONALLY ACCLAIMED software paid!

Failure to do so will render him the right to take his code, strip out everything specifically related to MSI and make a universal utility.... Wait, that's a good idea! On second thought...

@ MSI
Don't do anything, keep screwing things up..
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#53
Dyatlov A
Penalizing such a good guy, who has absolutely nothing to do with this got damn war.
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#54
Diverge
Regardless of the ban on Russia, MSI just isn't a good company. They are shady and have been involved in a number of scandals.
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#55
phanbuey
Dyatlov APenalizing such a good guy, who has absolutely nothing to do with this got damn war.
There's only one man that can end this war.
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#56
KingSaul
DivergeRegardless of the ban on Russia, MSI just isn't a good company. They are shady and have been involved in a number of scandals.
What scandals?
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#57
Denver
They should pay in BTC and that's it... Not a big problem.
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#58
Diverge
KingSaulWhat scandals?
Just Google MSI company scandals. You'll see pages of them listed. There are so many, spanning a large amount of time. One of their CEO's even fell from their HQ and died...
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#59
Bruno_O
fuck msi, it's one bad market practice after another (check gamer nexus videos on them)
at this stage I will actively avoid their products
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#60
95Viper
Stick to the topic.
This is not a discussion about who is at fault for the war in Ukraine, who can stop it, or who the leader is that is responsible.
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#61
NRANM
I know it's considered cool and maybe even fun to hate on someone or something, but I want to be objective and point out that we have not heard MSI's comments on the situation. Granted, I doubt MSI would address this, but that doesn't change the fact that it would be unfair to form a final opinion/judgement based on only one side of the story. And it looks like there are plenty of people here ready to grab their (virtual) torches and pitchforks.

It is also interesting that Unwinder himself seems to understand MSI's position, at least to an extent, as he literally says in one of the posts there:
But it is not their fault at all. They'd love to keep the project alive, but they cannot and will not cancel or bypass sanctions and make SWIFT magically work here.
Of course, this still leaves a few questions: has either side attempted to find an solution; if yes, were there any alternatives; if yes (again) what were the hurdles that could not be overcome.
Based on the very sparse information we have thus far, it seems to me that both sides are being passive about this.

Let's keep our heads cool.
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#62
Udyr
I apologize if this is off-topic, but some proofreading is needed here:

"The discontinuation of Afterburner would graphics card overclocking in jeopardy"
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#63
Wirko
NRANMI know it's cool and maybe even fun to hate on someone or something, but I want to be objective and point out that we have not heard from MSI's comments on the situation. Granted, I doubt MSI would address this, but that doesn't change the fact that it would be unfair to form a final opinion/judgement based on only one side of the story. And it looks like there are plenty of people here ready to grab their (virtual) torches and pitchforks.

It is also interesting that Unwinder himself seems to understand MSI's position, at least to an extent, as he literally says in one of the posts there:


Of course, this still leaves a few questions: has either side attempted to find an solution; if yes, were there any alternatives; if yes (again) what were the hurdles that could not be overcome.
Based on the very sparse information we have thus far, it seems to me that both sides are being passive about this.

Let's keep our heads cool.
Now Tom's Hardware says MSI said they're finally doing something.
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#64
KingSaul
DivergeJust Google MSI company scandals. You'll see pages of them listed. There are so many, spanning a large amount of time. One of their CEO's even fell from their HQ and died...
I'll check, thanks
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#65
kiriakost
lexluthermiester@ MSI
Don't do anything, keep screwing things up..
Nothing worst than that :)

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#66
JAB Creations
I hope the developer gets his fiances on track one way or another, much luck to him!
ChomiqYet they're still doing business in Russia.
Yeah, that single developer of an entire GPU program was the one who started the war with Ukraine. :rolleyes: Have you ever stopped to think that what governments and people say and do don't match up? Nah, it's easier to go mouthing off in news articles about things you clerly don't comprehend and have zero respect for.
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#67
claes
Think you misunderstood… MSI is still selling cards in Russia. @Chomiq wasnt talking about the developer or who’s responsible for the war at all…
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#68
Emu
Regarding MSI Afterburner though, the whole situation is terrible. MSI needs to do something to allow development to continue and for the guy to get paid. Even if this means letting go of the licensing and allowing for the guy to get paid by others.
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#69
Muck Muster
Well, I'll have pass MSI as one of my prominent hardwear providers. I don't like it but I had to swear off my 'pride and joy' Nvidia for it's foul treatment of EVGA. It's the only way to protest such an incompetency. It's pretty 5h!tty when somebody decides they won't figure out a solution. I had a good friend who worked for a subsidiary of a networking firm. He worked tirelessly for months till he couldn't afford to support his family. They owed him thousands of dollars. He couldn't afford to sue them so his calls for rescue fell on deaf ears. Yeah, stuff like that is a travesty
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#70
claes
So weird that everyone here is writing off MSI while unwinder gives them the benefit of the doubt. Sanctions against banks are real — I can’t imagine what a pain it is to send money to someone in a country whose banks can’t accept foreign transactions. They probably just used direct deposit through a third-party payroll company before the war.

I have no allegiance to any corporation, but sounds like unwinder has a good relationship with MSI other than the bank problem which isn’t MSI’s fault. That said, they probably should’ve figured something out by now. I doubt sending a check is wise given the circumstances, and I personally would prefer cash to bitcoin or products I’d have to resell myself, but then again HR departments everywhere are awful at these things.
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#71
AusWolf
Let's be honest: we wouldn't even need Afterburner if Nvidia bothered to include an overclocking and monitoring tool in their GPU driver just like AMD and Intel do.

This is still a shady move on MSi's part, though.
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#72
claes
Somehow I don’t think those externalities have anything to do with this at all :rolleyes:
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#73
damric
This is unfortunate. Unwinder is a good guy. In the forums at G3D he's grouchy, but people ask dumbass things and never read his stickies. EVGA screwed him, and now MSI. I hope he put a code bomb in the latest version, but he wouldn't because he genuinely cares about the software.
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#74
Muck Muster
AusWolfLet's be honest: we wouldn't even need Afterburner if Nvidia bothered to include an overclocking and monitoring tool in their GPU driver just like AMD and Intel do.

This is still a shady move on MSi's part, though.
I've worked without pay at two differnet times in two different professions with two very good bosses. The later for 3 yrs. at a friend's computer repair business. It finally went bust because the city/county/state overwhelmed us with taxes, regulations, licenses, ordinace diffinitions (really a cr4ppy way for taking more money), etc.. It was a crazy time. A lot of small businesses went bust. We had one customer steal a list of our networking clients and give them to another computer business. With good friends, it's not unreasonable to make/take an offer (s) and accept consessions/provisions with working partners. We've worked under the table before, even to our disliking. But we do it to keep a working partnership in something we love or by means provides us with something of meaning. To do nothing is unreasonable. I wanted the hands-on working experience for my CompTIA A+ which proved invaluable. I'm really dishearten by MSI going nearly a year and do nothing.
Heh. I have a freind from Taiwan, who gets a revenue from stocks. He says his countrymen can be real cutthroat business people. Even to themselves.
damricThis is unfortunate. Unwinder is a good guy. In the forums at G3D he's grouchy, but people ask dumbass things and never read his stickies. EVGA screwed him, and now MSI. I hope he put a code bomb in the latest version, but he wouldn't because he genuinely cares about the software.
EVGA? Wow. Nvidia really treated them like trash. What comes around, goes around.
claesI feel like everyone here is having a stronger reaction than unwinder is. Sounds like there was a problem paying him through his bank that just hasn’t been resolved yet. Screw-up on MSI’s part for sure, but unwinder seems to have expected that a resolution would come sooner than later.

Folks pointing to using a third-part as a solution are probably correct, but I could understand why unwinder might not want to deal with that hassle, especiallly while navigating sanctions. Hopefully something works out and he gets back-pay in full and can continue development. Sounds like a nice job.
I've worked with bad clients and customers. Really giving much rope before I let go of hope. It's when the coldness get to you, you realize there's no recovery. You need to do something. MSI's been a topic of bad news before. I stay away from their products when it's needful.
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#75
raptori
I wish Unwinder didn't include Nvidia 40 series in its update, that would hit MSI hard, bunch of hypocrites.
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