Wednesday, December 27th 2023

Not Just TSMC, Even Samsung Running Behind Schedule with its U.S. Fab

Delays in the construction of its U.S. based semiconductor fab may have just cost the Chairman of TSMC his job, but the Koreans aren't faring any better. BusinessKorea reports that Samsung Electronics has pushed the timeline for mass-production in its upcoming Austin Texas-based fab to 2025. Its construction was originally slated to be complete by now, with risk production and testing through early 2024, and mass production later in the year, which has all been pushed to 2025. The company now hopes to push its first wafer toward the end of 2024, with mass production expected some time in 2025.

Samsung reportedly blames issues with U.S. Government subsidies and regulatory problems behind the delays. A key aspect of getting cutting edge Asian foundries such as TSMC and Samsung to invest in the U.S. had to do with government subsidies to help these fabs overcome the uphill task of doing so Stateside and making the venture profitable. The U.S. had a sense of urgency in bringing these companies over, as it saw a potential conflict across the Taiwan straits, which threatened to disrupt practically the entire global digital economy. The company's first production line in this foundry was expected to be 4 nm EUV FinFET. It remains to be seen just how relevant and cutting edge 4 nm EUV is in 2025, as both TSMC and Intel hope to have Nanosheet transistors and nodes such as the TSMC N2 and Intel 20A taking shape by then.
Source: BusinessKorea
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15 Comments on Not Just TSMC, Even Samsung Running Behind Schedule with its U.S. Fab

#1
Chaitanya
Part and parcel of doing business world's "top" economy.
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#2
Wirko
Buy electronics while chips are cheap. If anyone thinks they aren't, just wait until backside power delivery, ribbonFET, forksheets, high-NA, CFET, and real 3D packaging enter mass manufacturing.
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#3
Onasi
I mean, who would have thought that creating bleeding edge foundries on demand with the deadline being "we need it yesterday" would be somewhat of a tough task.
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#4
A Computer Guy
If you want delays in your project and wasteful spending just get the U.S. Government involved. :rolleyes:
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#5
R0H1T
Typical :laugh:
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#6
maxfly
A Computer GuyIf you want delays in your project and wasteful spending just get ANY Government involved. :rolleyes:
Fixed that for ya ;)

Any bureaucracy (city, state, fed, what have you)involved in high dollar business decisions is just asking for it right up the wazoo. Either get your funding wrapped up on the front end in iron clad, bullet proof contracts, or run the funk away.
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#7
thesmokingman
US senators be like, here's my money where's my fab?
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#8
mechtech
maxflyFixed that for ya ;)

Any bureaucracy (city, state, fed, what have you)involved in high dollar business decisions is just asking for it right up the wazoo. Either get your funding wrapped up on the front end in iron clad, bullet proof contracts, or run the funk away.
Which includes big business.............many layers there as well......................especially when there are 10 different subs which are also big businesses.

edit - Austin Texas-based
hopefully Texas is shoring up its power grid..........................
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#9
maxfly
thesmokingmanUS senators be like, here's my money where's my fab?
Usually right after their obligatory photo op at said fab construction site, with chromed shovel in hand. Dur
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#10
Minus Infinity
thesmokingmanUS senators be like, here's my money where's my fab?
Pork barreling goes back probably to ancient Roman times. Every single country on earth engages in it.
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#11
dicobalt
It's just the jobs nobody wants. /s
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#12
TechLurker
mechtechWhich includes big business.............many layers there as well......................especially when there are 10 different subs which are also big businesses.

edit - Austin Texas-based
hopefully Texas is shoring up its power grid..........................
They aren't. They passed a budget to increase power generation and weather hardening, but the money just went to pay off the CEOs of existing power providers while not actually doing anything. Which is why Texas still had brownouts during some of the nastier heat/cold fronts that passed through this year, on top of power provider-provided thermostats forcibly overriding users inputs to limit demand.

About the only thing growing in Texas power-wise are a few more solar and wind plants, but neither are winterized (have heating elements) and construction progress is slowing down now that Texas is afraid of wind power overtaking gas power (it's already on par, based on the average output).
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#13
ThrashZone
Hi,
Intel is such a wasteful company half their products should of never left the lab but did
Worst thing us gov should do is subsidize anything intel does.

AMD seems to be the opposite of ewaste intel.
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#14
mechtech
TechLurkerThey aren't. They passed a budget to increase power generation and weather hardening, but the money just went to pay off the CEOs of existing power providers while not actually doing anything. Which is why Texas still had brownouts during some of the nastier heat/cold fronts that passed through this year, on top of power provider-provided thermostats forcibly overriding users inputs to limit demand.

About the only thing growing in Texas power-wise are a few more solar and wind plants, but neither are winterized (have heating elements) and construction progress is slowing down now that Texas is afraid of wind power overtaking gas power (it's already on par, based on the average output).
That's too bad. I think (personally) that electric utility(s) should be a federal entity, it would probably be more robust and the whole country would be tied together. Here in Canada, they are provincial and ran by each province, which is decent given the size of the provinces. I think it would be beneficial to have a coast-to-coast backbone line.
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#15
ThrashZone
Hi,
Single payer rarely has low rates and those rates never go down lol

Texas say what you want about the big freeze deal I was there in Houston
My rate was fixed and very low about .10c per kw for 3 years which is really unheard of anywhere else on the planet :laugh:
Look at rates and they were north of 20c kw
People on variable rates were screwed because they were greedy
Blackouts hell just look at very liberal California they have them weekly :roll:
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