Tuesday, January 2nd 2024

AMD Ryzen 5 8600G to Feature Radeon 760M Graphics with 8 CU, 5.00 GHz Maximum CPU Boost

AMD's upcoming Ryzen 5 8600G Socket AM5 desktop APU will feature the truncated Radeon 760M integrated graphics, and not the previously believed Radeon 780M, or the full iGPU configuration present on the silicon. At this point, there are still conflicting reports on which exact silicon the Ryzen 8000G desktop APUs are even based on, with some of the older reports and Geekbench detecting 8600G engineering samples to be based on "Phoenix," and some of the newer reports suggesting that it's based on "Hawk Point." Both "Phoenix" and "Hawk Point" are nearly identical, except for the latter to feature a faster NPU.

The Ryzen 5 8600G is configured with a 6-core/12-thread CPU based on the "Zen 4" microarchitecture, with 1 MB of L2 cache per core, and 16 MB of shared L3 cache. The CPU base frequency is set to a healthy 4.35 GHz, and maximum CPU boost frequency of 5.00 GHz. These CPU clocks are very similar to those of the mobile Ryzen 5 7640H (which has a base frequency of 4.30 GHz, but the same 5.00 GHz boost), but in case of the 8600G, the 65 W TDP and possible 90 W PPT should help with boost frequency residency. The Radeon 760M gets 8 out of 12 RDNA3 compute units physically present on the silicon, giving it 512 stream processors. Geekbench detects an engine clock (GPU clock) of 2.80 GHz, compared to the 2.60 GHz of the Radeon 760M on the Ryzen 5 7640H. The 8600G ES was running on an MSI MEG X670E Ace motherboard, with 32 GB of dual-channel DDR5-6000 memory.
Sources: Geekbench Database 1, Geekbench Database 2, VideoCardz
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39 Comments on AMD Ryzen 5 8600G to Feature Radeon 760M Graphics with 8 CU, 5.00 GHz Maximum CPU Boost

#26
Kapone33
The question I have is how do we know how those perform if there is no HDMI or DP port on the MB used. Unless they were using USB C there is no way to test the APU by itself using that MB. There is also the fact that the Ace is one of the most expensive AM5 boards period. I hope TPU uses B650 and A620 boards when they get these for testing.
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#27
wNotyarD
kapone32The question I have is how do we know how those perform if there is no HDMI or DP port on the MB used. Unless they were using USB C there is no way to test the APU by itself using that MB. There is also the fact that the Ace is one of the most expensive AM5 boards period. I hope TPU uses B650 and A620 boards when they get these for testing.
The Ace has DP over USB-C.
Afaik, AM5 has HDMI and DP capabilities onboard by itself but it's up to the motherboard manufacturers to implement the outputs. As every processor bar the 7500F has a basic as it may be iGPU, at least one video out is expected.
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#28
Geofrancis
R0H1TOh zip it, you know when AMD first used the term APU? And why Intel doesn't use it? It's a marketing term, even if its utility has changed slightly over the years!
please show us what piece of silicone on the 7950x has both a CPU core and GPU core on it......
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#29
Kapone33
Geofrancis

[USER=131092]R0H1T[/USER]

Your total lack of knowledge is showing, please show us what piece of silicone on the 7950x has both a CPU core and GPU core on it......
So the 7950X has no video support? Even the 7950X3D has GPU cores. These are going to be APUs for AM5. If you didn't know the 5600G (AM4 APU) does support Freesync with it's Vega cores.
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#30
Geofrancis
kapone32So the 7950X has no video support? Even the 7950X3D has GPU cores. These are going to be APUs for AM5. If you didn't know the 5600G (AM4 APU) does support Freesync with it's Vega cores.
the graphics cores on the 7000 series are not on the same silicone as the cpu cores.....thats the difference with the APU chips
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#31
R0H1T
Geofrancisplease show us what piece of silicone on the 7950x has both a CPU core and GPU core on it
You mean Silicon or Silicone?

www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x
And yes it's still an APU :rolleyes:
Geofrancisthe graphics cores on the 7000 series is not on the same silicone as the cpu cores.....thats the difference with the APU chips
No the term APU used to refer to "CPU" with an IGP, before that they were usually on the motherboard. In case you missed it the CCD's (chiplet) also don't have a memory controller, I guess they're not CPU's then?
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#32
Geofrancis
R0H1TYou mean Silicon or Silicone?

www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x
And yes it's still an APU :rolleyes:


No the term APU used to refer to "CPU" with an IGP, before that they were usually on the motherboard. In case you missed it the CCD's (chiplet) also don't have a memory controller, I guess they're not CPU's then?
No they have only ever called the chips with the graphics and CPU on the same piece of silicone APU's, nowhere in any AMD documents is a Desktop Multi chip package referred to as an APU.
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#35
Kapone33
Geofrancisall are single pieces of silicone going back to am1 apart from 2 laptop chips 7945HX and 7845HX. no desktop mcm chips are called an apu.
What is an APU to you? To me it is a chip that has GPU cores period. What you are talking about was only true for AM4. I am not sure but I could swear there is a 16 core APU on laptop currently that is MCM that you just referenced (7945HX :) :) . Of course you can't be serious in thinking that those cannot come to the desktop with better cooling potential and more power and be called APUs but if you want to argue the scientific definition of an APU be my guest. All I know is that my 7900X3D shows its own GPU in HWinfo but I have been drinking so.


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#36
wNotyarD
kapone32What is an APU to you? To me it is a chip that has GPU cores period.
AMD's definition of an APU is a CPU with an iGPU capable of (albeit light) gaming on its own, without the need for a dGPU. The iGPU on the 7000-series CPUs isn't capable of that.
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#37
Kapone33
wNotyarDAMD's definition of an APU is a CPU with an iGPU capable of (albeit light) gaming on its own, without the need for a dGPU. The iGPU on the 7000-series CPUs isn't capable of that.
Of course, it is only 2 GPU cores but would a 3400G blow it away?
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#38
TumbleGeorge
kapone32Of course, it is only 2 GPU cores but would a 3400G blow it away?
563,2 GFLOPS FP32 vs 1971 GFLOPS(Vega 11 in Ryzen 5 3400G)
Edit: wrong number and link. Vega 11 in 3400G is OC and faster than variant in 2400G!
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#39
SL2
Maybe AMD just can't make their mind up..
We actually don't think of the Ryzen 7000 Series as an APU. It's a processor that has graphics, and I know that's a subtle difference.

To us, when we say "APU," it really means the product has powerful graphics, is capable of playing a game, has all the bells and whistles for video encode, display, drivers, etc.
www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-4-ryzen-7000-technical-details/

Llano is over a decade old now so stop using it as a reference, things change. AMD did try to highlight its IGP performance at the time, something I never saw them do with Raphael. AMD simply pointed out the 2CU IGP's existence, which isn't the same.
kapone32Of course, it is only 2 GPU cores but would a 3400G blow it away?
That's apples to oranges, or rather apples to old apples. By that reasoning you can't call a Phenom II X4 920 a quad core anymore because there are dual cores that beats it today.
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