wolfI can't recall a single time tbh, he very begrudgingly feels forced to admit (because Tim's upscaling testing conclusively bears it out) that DLSS is the superior upscaling tech if that matters to you as a buyer, and routinely says RT shouldn't matter to most buyers that are looking in the midrange or lower end of the market.

RedelZaVednoI'm betting on $1999 IF Jensen doesn't get carried away. IF he does, MSRP will likely be $2199 or higher.

DemonicRyzen666That whole comment he makes about D.L.S.S being superior, yet he has no physical evidence for that even to be true.
If someone want to actually claim something like that, they need to use a scientific method to prove it to be true.
Every time he makes this statement, he always states that is from his eyes, there for it nothing but opinion of the reviewer not fact.

john_They are pro for years. They just go with the flow. And as with most tech press, they will use harsh titles for AMD, they will be much more careful when having to talk about Nvidia or Intel.
Your example proves it.
They use the word "scam" for the 5700. They just avoided to use the same word for the RTX 3050 6GB. In fact they praised the card if I remember correctly as the best card at 75Ws. They also avoided using that word for Intel's fiasco with it's CPUs. You seem to not understand that the title in a video is much more influential than some excuses hidden in a video. Many tech sites do this constantly. Many tech sites keep certain companies happy by putting the right titles on their videos/articles.

So let's recap. A model with a different name is a scam, because it also comes with different specs. On the other hand, a model with worst specs and same name is not. CPUs that are becoming unstable and degrade in short time of use, they aren't either a scam. They are just Intel's mess. A mistake, but not a scam. Something that can be fixed. Not a scam. Selling CPUs at frequencies that aren't stable for at least the warranty period, is not a scam. Selling a graphics card with less CUDA cores, at lower frequencies with the same model name, is not a scam. Selling a CPU with less cache as a DIFFERENT model, is a scam. Am I saying it correctly?

Tim is praising DLSS and trashing FSR in every video he makes for the last year. He will lower the video speed at 25%, zoom by 4, and call any FSR pixel that is not at the same position that DLSS algorithm puts it, as being in the wrong position. As for Steve I will again repeat. He goes with the flow. Praising a 6 core/ 6 threads Intel CPU based on 720p benchmarking on games that couldn't see more than 4 threads against the R5 1600, then a few years latter praising the R5 1600 over that Intel CPU and the last couple of years praising Intel again, with chips like the 7800X3D being exceptions, because, let's face it, even Intel in a public review would had to admit that 7800X3D is one of the top options for gaming.


Blackwell for servers is a dual die chip. I will be surprised if Nvidia sells a dual die chip for gamers, except if it goes full AI push in the retail market and sell the 5080 with one full Blackwell die and then come latter with a dual die, dual memory 5090 at $3000 with the second die offering some extra performance/features in AI and other cases. While I can't think something specific, I bet a 2.5 trillions company will think of something.


LOL nice one.

DemonicRyzen666That whole comment he makes about D.L.S.S being superior, yet he has no physical evidence for that even to be true.
If someone want to actually claim something like that, they need to use a scientific method to prove it to be true.
Every time he makes this statement, he always states that is from his eyes, there for it nothing but opinion of the reviewer not fact.

wolfWhat physical evidence do you want? It's a consensus across every publication that tests upscaling, they show side by sides and you can literally see the difference. And it's plainly evident they're all correct, from the perspective of gamers who have access to use them all.

edge A.I.:
A side-by-side comparison often involves a degree of subjectivity, as it relies on the viewer’s perception and interpretation of the images. It can provide a visual representation of the differences between two images, but it might not offer quantifiable or factual proof of superiority.

For example, one viewer might prefer an image with more vibrant colors, while another might prefer an image with more realistic colors. Therefore, the “better” image can vary depending on individual preferences.

If you’re looking for a more objective or factual comparison, you might want to consider methods that involve measurable criteria, such as pixel count, color accuracy, or contrast ratio. However, even these methods might not capture all aspects of what makes an image “better” to a particular viewer.

In conclusion, while side-by-side comparisons can be useful, they often involve a degree of subjectivity and might not provide definitive proof of one image’s superiority over another. It’s always important to consider the context and purpose of the comparison.

subjectivity
the quality of being based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

AGlezBI was thinking about nVidia releasing the 5080 first and wondering what would motivate me to do the same if I was in their position. I found a simple answer.

If I release the 5090 first I'll get all the buyers looking for 5090s and maybe some of the 5080 buyers as well. Nothing new here.

But if I first release a limited batch of 5080 and immediatly after release the 5090s I'll sell all the 5080s but I will also leave a lot of potential 5080 buyers waiting.
That alone push a lot of 5080 buyers to upgrade their buying decision and take the 5090. There are several reasons for it, but creating scarcity to guide the buyers is also nothing new.

That explanation works if nVidia is trying to maximize profits in the RTX market but there is another, maybe more likely explanation: They'll concentrate their production in 5080s and use most of the production capacity allocated for 5090s (which require better binning) for AI and other enterprise products which are way more profitable for them. They'll still sell pretty much every 5080 they put on the shelfs and by making 5090s a rarer product it increases in perceived price so buyers will be more likely to pay for it. Its'a win-win for them.

This is complicated and I certainly don't have a crystall ball. We'll see in a few months how it goes.

nguyen@DemonicRyzen666
So when people tell you chicken wing is much better than a turd, they are not being objective but rather subjective? :roll: . Weird logic there man, also a copy paste answer from Edge AI? what the heck.

HOkayI think they generally go for the opposite approach though, release the 5090 first & tempt all those potential 5080 buyers into stepping up to a 5090 because it's right there & they could have it right now if they just pay a little (a lot!) more. I imagine that's probably the best tactic for pushing buyers up the stack since they keep doing it that way. Keeping the best silicon for AI products does complicate things though, they could give us something lower in the stack, or they might even just give us a much more cut down 5090 :oops:

HOkayYou seem more obsessed with their thumbnail choices

john_But Steve's wording in his conclusion will be carefully biased, based on which company's hardware is getting tested and what the findings are. And then there is Tim. He just can't hide it. Are there openings at Nvidia this period?

AGlezBThe whole point of a subscribing youtube tech channel is to hear what they think about stuff, a.k.a. what their bias is. Complaning about it is like going to the circus and complaining about the clowns.

AGlezBThere are no unbiased youtube channels.
There are no unbiased instagram reels.
There are no unbiased facebook posts.

Even scientific publications get their fair share of bias no matter how hard they try to keep it out.
And as a result there are, so far, no unbiased LLMs (AIs) because they're trained with biased datasets.

Complaining about bias makes no sense to me. That is the way to an early anxiety disorder.

john_Sorry, I can't understand this line as an argument.

AGlezBIt's very simple. Water is wet, fire is hot, circuses have clowns, humans have biases.

You talk about objectivity and the lack of it in a medium that is by definition biased.
That means complaining about their bias has the exact same value as complaining that water is wet or fire is hot or clowns in a circus.

This conversation wouldn't have gone pass the first post if you just said "I don't like them" instead of going out of your way to justify your own biases towards them.
You see, this whole time I've been trying to avoid the use of the word "hypocrisy".

john_OK, OK, you just try to convince me that HU being biased is normal and expected.
Sorry haven't realized that the whole time you where supporting my opinion.
Thanks?

GodrillaRumors changing by the day 5080 rumored to launch before 5090 with 4090d like performance with 16 gigs of vram and 95 sms on 4n node. With plenty of 4090s still in circulation Nvidia doesn't want a 3090ti like event where prices dropped by half. Hence the rumors changing every day. Daily reminder Nvidia is the master at market manipulation leaks rumors, misinformation and all!

64KIf the 5080 is only performing like a 4090 then that will be a disappointment indeed. The xx80 has always been a good bit faster than the previous generation gaming flagship GPU but as you said the rumor mill is churning right now.

GodrillaThere is always the smoke and mirrors trick at a premium called dlss exclusive to Blackwell features. Remember when Nvidia said dlss will reach level 10. When mid range 4000 series dropped I already knew that Nvidia will be moving away from the hardware improvement model to a software imrovement premium model. Who remembers those frame generation charts Nvidia dropped on us in 2022 that no one asked for and mostly no one wants/uses. If your hardware is strong enough you mostly will not use it or weak enough where you can't use it. Who wants to add lag and or artifacts to their experience? I know I don't outside maybe one or two titles where I am pretty sure I could have waited for the hardware to catch up without using it.

GodrillaRumors changing by the day 5080 rumored to launch before 5090 with 4090d like performance with 16 gigs of vram and 95 sms on 4n node. With plenty of 4090s still in circulation Nvidia doesn't want a 3090ti like event where prices dropped by half. Hence the rumors changing every day. Daily reminder Nvidia is the master at market manipulation leaks rumors, misinformation and all!