neatfeatguyMy brother was looking through the a game's graphic settings we were about to start playing a couple weeks back and asked me what DLSS is. I explained it to him and he said, "That's stupid, why would anyone want to use that?" He asked if I used it, I just laughed and told him no, that I don't have a need nor want to use it.

I'm just waiting to hear from Nvidia claiming they have a "new" way to make more frames or better downscaling to upscaling on a new AI software version that only works with the 50xx series.

Why don't you tell your brother to test it out himself LOL

I'm expecting underwhelming and way overpriced generation as AMD's Radeon division has droped the ball witrh RDNA4 so there is no incentive for Ngreedia to offer gamers a relatively good value. I'd bet on 5090 being 30 to 40% faster in standard rasterization, 40 to 60% in raytracing and cost 25% to 40% more than the 4090, somewhere in a ballpark of $1999 to $2199. If you want the fastest you'll have to overpay for it. I'm just hoping to get 4090 level of performance for 700 to 800 bucks so I can retire 4070TI Super as it's having hard time running MS Flight simulator 2020 in VR. Well maybe MS FS2024 will be better optimised, so I don't have to upgrade, but I highly doubt it:twitch:

nVidia shouldn’t do more than keeping the same CUDA core number as the 4090 and double the RT/Tensor cores.

The raster performance is irrelevant in this segment of gpus for me.

Neo_MorpheusThe so called tech reviewers whom i called bribed influencers, which will proceed to shove that 5090 down our throats as a must buy without saying that theirs are free.

Here's my recommendation for CPU, motherboard, video card and monitor reviews: Hardware Unboxed.

gffermarinVidia shouldn’t do more than keeping the same CUDA core number as the 4090 and double the RT/Tensor cores.

The raster performance is irrelevant in this segment of gpus for me.

How is the raster performance irrelevant in highest end tier GPUs? Most people who buy these things for gaming are older simulaton fans and VR nuts as most kids can't afford them and there rasterisation performance is still the king as DLSS and motion reprojection don't work well in fast 3DOF/6DOF moving action.

RedelZaVednoI'd bet on 5090 being 30 to 40% faster in standard rasterization, 40 to 60% in raytracing

I expect a 120 to 150% faster AI processing and not much more. :D

Solaris17I mean I was just gonna get mine off of newegg.

You will….with a coupon/voucher sent by Ngreedia:laugh:

Space Lynxaye, I don't care either way at the moment. I just do everything old school still whenever I can... native resolution only, no scaling, MSAA x4 and the other one x8 or x16. and then like a mixture of medium/high settings, unless its an old game and easy to achieve max fps for my monitor, then ultra.

this is how I have always done things and I am probably not going to change, at least not until like its forced upon me, like it is in some games, but in those games I'm like meh it is what it is.

Agreed.

Personally, i’m very disappointed in how everyone has forgotten how the PC industry used to deal with proprietary tech.

Ngreedia loves such things just to keep you locked into their hardware and i will commend them for perseverance.

They tried over and over with PhysX, Hairworks, etc until everyone magically bent over to DLSS.

Back then, a real reviewer would place DLSS on the Con box.

Now? Its called a must have “feature “.

Really sad of state of affairs.

It's hard to get excited purely on the price perspective. I'm sure the 5090 will be an awesome and bonkers video card, how could it not be.

In some ways I'm lucky I got the retro bug, I'm firmly invested in building/testing/benching/gaming on 15-25 year old hardware at the moment, so I can wait quite a while for a video card that's a big leap over my 3080 (which honestly is still a beast. to land in my lap at a compelling price - ie what I paid for my 3080 at launch.

AGlezBHere's my recommendation for CPU, motherboard, video card and monitor reviews: Hardware Unboxed.

Oh, the "DLSS is better than life" channel. The "AMD is crap" channel.
Good choice..... 2 years ago.

john_Oh, the "DLSS is better than life" channel. The "AMD is crap" channel.

That's not my experience so I was wondering where that came from. Do you mind sharing the links?

AGlezBThat's not my experience so I was wondering where that came from. Do you mind sharing the links?

You know they're fairly neutral when people from both sides claim they're fanboys for the side they don't like. Pretty balanced overall to me, they give crap / praise to either side when it's due. The thing that I don't really enjoy is Steve's lengthy opinion pieces, and how he sets up some tests purely to make whatever point he sets out to make, easy to do when you control the entire testing methodology.

Space LynxI am thinking they will do $1899 or $1999 price yep. 100%

those numbers are impressive though I won't lie. combine that with frame gen and DLSS, that card will easily last 10 years imo.

I am happy with 7900 XT though, so eh. I honestly don't blame Nvidia though, supply and demand, people just need to learn patience.

ChaitanyaWont be easy to purchase nor it will be any cheaper than $2000.

john_Well, people who pay for the top model (I see you have the 4090 and I am guessing you will be one of the first to go for a 5090), usually sell their current card months before the new one becomes available. So, I am guessing in the following months many will start putting ads for their 4090's at prices over $1400, sell them (easily thanks to the AI craze), stay with a mid range GPU until 5090 comes out and enjoy an upgrade (plus full new warranty) for less than $1000.
While GPUs are overpriced, one of the advantages of going RTX, is that the prices stay more or less stable over the years.

I think we all should take a bet what its going to be priced at. I highly doubt that the pricing is going to remain the same (IE MSRP 1500).

Shall we all take bets on what its going to be ? I am putting my money on $1799.

I'm good, no point in anything beyond 4090-level performance in my rig anyway.
Will just wait for cheaper cards in 2025 as planned.

I only have one kidney left so I won't be able to afford one.

GhostRyderShall we all take bets on what its going to be ? I am putting my money on $1799.

I'm betting on $1999 IF Jensen doesn't get carried away. IF he does, MSRP will likely be $2199 or higher.

Already pre-Ordered mine off of ebay

Nvidia is making too much money selling AI cards and with limited competition in the gaming space they can push the release of new products without impacting the bottom line.

wolfYou know they're fairly neutral when people from both sides claim they're fanboys for the side they don't like. Pretty balanced overall to me, they give crap / praise to either side when it's due. The thing that I don't really enjoy is Steve's lengthy opinion pieces, and how he sets up some tests purely to make whatever point he sets out to make, easy to do when you control the entire testing methodology.

For testing methodoly I take guidance from the other Steve. If both get the same results you know Hardware Unboxed did it right and so far they usually do.

Obviously there is going to be "opinion" involved. Bias is unavoidable. The question is whether the level of bias is acceptable and their opinions useful to me as a buyer.
As I see it, Hardware Unboxed is half-way between LTT (entertainment) and Gamer's Nexus (accuracy). They're accurate enough to be useful but not technical enough to make your brain hurt if you're not "a computer person", plus they cover the most relevant parts you need to build yourself a PC.

Sorry, for the rubbish input.

If consider, how big the hype is over 4090, right now, and the price inflation it has, there's no wonder, why Nvidia wants to release the top of the crop 5090 first. Because like 4090, it most likely to satisfy the AI croud first, with the actual margins over the roof. And the actual gamers, that want some more reasonable hardware... screw them, let them wait half year more, when the profits will go down, and since gamers don't bring the money, the enterprise, and handicaped people, that want the AI stuff. I guess, the prices on newly launched 5090, would be so high, that buying one will be only possible, by the time the rest of the line being released. But these are just thoughts.

And yeah, I think, that nobody in right mind really needs it to play games, anyway. Most of the games being developed with the consoles in mind, so if the PC version requires tthe top GPU to run the game comfortably, it means they should do some optimization, make the code more streamlined, you know... Not just brute force it. That's why I think, that the game devs need to stay aside of advertising expensive GPUs with their products, as it is just cheeky, as absolute majority won't go and buy any. This isn't 2008, or 2015. The gamer/multipurpose cards being "missupplied" to the wrong audience.

Space Lynxnah most people want DLSS these days I think, that being said I am really happy with my shiny new 7900 XT.

I don't care about most people's trashcan wishes. The more reasonable to want the the videocard, that is able to run the games solid 60fps with everything max at 4K natively, without need of killowatt PSU, and that costs no more than $500. But I guess this is too much to ask. The GPU manufacturers and the game developers, push the "soapers"/upscallers and frame generation, and sadly, people consume that.
I get, that this benefits the owners of low end VGAs, who cannot afford themselves a new, powerful one. But advertising the top class card along with the upscaller and denoiser, is BS. Especially, after JHH have said during RTX lineup announcement with RTX2080, that e.g. "now the videocards are capable of RTRT", and this is third gen of RTX cards, and yet they are not able to push RTRT natively even at 4K, let alone 8K both Nvidia and AMD trying to advertise.

This being said, I would still glad to get 7900 GRE, since it's covers all my needs. I'd rather tinker with options and bring down some settings, rather than use an upscaler. The games visuals, concearn me the least, as the actuall gameplay of most, is so boring, they aren't even worth of watching the playthrough on Youtube.

Random_UserSorry, for the rubbish input.

If consider, how big the hype is over 4090, right now, and the price inflation it has, there's no wonder, why Nvidia wants to release the top of the crop 5090 first. Because like 4090, it most likely to satisfy the AI croud first, with the actual margins over the roof. And the actual gamers, that want some more reasonable hardware... screw them, let them wait half year more, when the profits will go down, and since gamers don't bring the money, the enterprise, and handicaped people, that want the AI stuff. I guess, the prices on newly launched 5090, would be so high, that buying that will be only possible, by the time the rest of the line release. But these are just thoughts. And yeah, I think, that nobody in right mind really needs it to play games, anyway.

I don't care about most people's trashcan wishes. The more reasonable to want the the videocard, that is able to run the games solid 60fps with everything max at 4K natively, without need of killowatt PSU, and that costs no more than $500. But I guess this is too much to ask. The GPU manufacturers and the game developers, push the "soapers"/upscallers and frame generation, and sadly, people consume that.
I get, that this benefits the owners of low end VGAs, who cannot afford themselves a new, powerful one. But advertising the top class card along with the upscaller and denoiser, is BS. Especially, after JHH have said during RTX lineup announcement with RTX2080, that e.g. "now the videocards are capable of RTRT", and this is third gen of RTX cards, and yet they are not able to push RTRT natively even at 4K, let alone 8K both Nvidia and AMD trying to advertise.

This being said, I would still glad to get 7900 GRE, since it's covers all my needs. I'd rather tinker with options and bring down some settings, rather than use an upscaler. The games visuals, concearn me the least, as the actuall gameplay of most, is so boring, they aren't even worth of watching the playthrough on Youtube.

What's stopping you from playing games at 720p on an iGPU if visual is the least of your concern? that's 550usd saved from buying 7900GRE

nguyenI'm getting 80-100FPS @ 4K Pathtraced + DLSS Balanced + Frame Generation in both Cyberpunk 2077 and Alan Wake 2, if 5090 can get 2x the RT performance of 4090 then it would sit comfortable in the 160-200FPS range.

I'm interested in trying Path Tracing in Dragon Dogma 2 and RE4 Remake too.

How does that look? Is it like playing something in real life, or better?

Rakhmaninov3How does that look? Is it like playing something in real life, or better?

It's astonishing, but still it can be better with an 5090 :D

nguyenWhat's stopping you from playing games at 720p on an iGPU if visual is the least of your concern? that's 550usd saved from buying 7900GRE

Dunno, why you being triggered that much. But that obviously means, that games nowadays, has the great visuals, and this is the strongest part of them. Often, the gameplay, the concept being sacrificed in sake of great graphics.

Unfortunatelly though, I need either of them. And iGPU doesn't come free, BTW. But I must commend your salty effort. Thanks for caring about fellow posters.

zo0lykas

What's the R.O.P change then because it it's still got the same R.O.P's it's only going to increase performance by 20-35%

Random_UserDunno, why you being triggered that much. But that obviously means, that games nowadays, has the great visuals, and this is the strongest part of them. Often, the gameplay, the concept being sacrificed in sake of great graphics.

Unfortunatelly though, I need either of them. And iGPU doesn't come free, BTW. But I must commend your salty effort. Thanks for caring about fellow posters.

Asking a valid question is considered triggered?
You did say visuals concern you least, or you mean something else but can't express it properly.