fevgatosHave no idea why people care about stock power draw

fevgatosNo, not because of power consumption, because of efficiency. These 2 are different. Put a 7900xtx and a 4080 both at 250w and see which one is faster. That's efficiency. Power draw is irrelevant, a card can draw 2 kilowatts and its fine, if you can limit it to 300w and have it still be fast, no issue.

londisteSlightly more than that:

oxrufiioxoI think what he meant is there are probably 5 games where RT actually meaningfully improves the visuals....

fevgatosHaving 5 games with meaningful RT, that's a LOT.

oxrufiioxoI do expect more and more games over time to get amazing RT

oxrufiioxoanyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

oxrufiioxoton of games that the performance hit doesn't justify the visual upgrade.

AusWolfIMO, what we need is better surfaces on humanoids and other living things, especially in the rain, and better animations. Map detail and lighting are awesome, but humans still look and act like porcelain dolls.

Neo_MorpheusPersonally I dont care much for it, but as I mentioned in another thread, people dont care about it until they can use it against AMD.

Neo_MorpheusThere is a point there, but conveniently, you left out why in this particular case, theres a difference and its down to the foundry node used.

ARFMaybe you both are trolls, no?

Which product is slow?

There must be a global professional investigation against nvidia for cheating, using dlss as the default setting, making slow GPUs appear good on the charts.

Let's compare the slow RX 7600 with the even slower RTX 4060, which is a junk, leftover byproduct, rebadge of something GT **30 class, or *50 LE class.

RTX 4060 vs RX 7600:

vs

oxrufiioxoOnly uses software lumen on PC/Console I believe there is no way the reflections on water would look as bad as they do if it was hardware lumen otherwise the game looks fantastic and other than resolution even looks great on console.

Honestly it looks much better than a lot of games with RT......th

Vayra86D4?! Lmao. Hellblade doesnt need it either... or ghostwire.

I see we have journeyed into green vs redu and RT fantasy land... I guess thats all this thread's gonna ginow.

fevgatosI've explained it to you twice now but you still don't get it

fevgatosAmds problem isn't power draw, it's efficiency. You can limit the power draw on an amd card just like you can on an nvidia card, but it will still draw more power for the same performance.

fevgatosWho cares about the why? The end result is what matters.

fevgatosPersonal preference. If you wanna buy a card and keep it long amd is better because 2-3 years down the line RT won't be playable on your old card even if it's an nvidia one. If you upgrade every gen nvidia is clearly the better option though.

Neo_MorpheusSame for you. I am clearly talking about the usage. Playing the words game at this point.

See? Thats what I’m talking about, it doesnt matter until it does.


See above.
Looking at my XTX during gaming, i see it reporting using around 350W without undervolting.
Per reviews, the 4080 is at around 305W for less performance. So I dont see an issue there neither care enough to be hounding someone on a forum for it.
But as i said, when convenient, power consumption/efficiency is indeed an issue. :peace:

ChomiqLuckily RT performance is still not needed as much as pure raster performance.

oxrufiioxoI think what he meant is there are probably 5 games where RT actually meaningfully improves the visuals....

For me it's

Witcher 3 NG
Cyberpunk 2077
Alan Wake 2
Ratchet and Clank
Control
Metro Exodus EE
Spiderman
Quake 2 RTX
Portal RTX
Minecraft (haven't played this but it does look way better with RT)

Most games do it pretty terribly though RE 4 Remake is absolutely trash when it comes to RT those F1 games and countless others I'd say probably 1 in 10 games that has RT does it well and that might be generous....

LabRat 891500W + Transient Peaks, over the 12V-2x6? :roll:

Looks like Intel is setting precedent:
It's okay to engineer products that will fail inside warranty.

fevgatosThe important question is, for how many games do you upgrade your GPU? Cause 5 is a lot. I mean I've played 10-15 games with my 4090 but half of them worked fine with my old card, I upgraded my GPU just for a couple of them. Having 5 games with meaningful RT, that's a LOT.

Visible NoiseTheoretical specs are meaningless. Modern raytraced games run like dogshit on AMD and you know it.


Ah, thanks for the correction!


I’ll just assume you haven’t played them with RT. Because you know developers have all this spare time to go back to older releases to add features that provide no benefit, right?

Visible NoiseI’ll just assume you haven’t played them with RT. Because you know developers have all this spare time to go back to older releases to add features that provide no benefit, right?

THU31If these are correct, it could mean the 5060 will be based on the GB205 like the 5070, and both cards will have 12 GB of VRAM.

That would be great news for the 5060, but not for the 5070. 12 GB on a card that will probably cost $600+ is not acceptable in 2025.

ARFSince when? Have you asked AMD? And how many Radeons and intel Arcs exactly use this new low quality power connector?

RuruHasn't Asrock been so far the only AIB from camp AMD to use this stupid connector?