oxrufiioxoIt's a 10% ish increase likely due to them wanting to push it a bit since the node isn't significantly better.

Ada can be really power tuned with almost no loss in performance guessing it'll be the same with this.

My 4090 at 350w loses almost no performance definitely not enough to be noticed without using an overlay at 320w it's less than 5%.

Guessing the 5090 is going to be some monstrosity that is borderline HPC with a price to match.

Launcestonian500W TDP for RX 5090! yikes... & I thought my RX 7900 XTX with 350W TDP was overkill. When gaming at 3440x1440p, ultra settings in Starfield, It does spike to 510W, but avgs 350w during a session.

ARFOnly the hardcore nvidia fans will bear this utter engineering junk. Will have 800-watt spikes, and will require 1200-watt PSUs, especially when coupled with a 300-watt intel oven. :kookoo:

fevgatosI'm running mine on 320w with some oced memory, it's 2-3% faster than stock, lol :D

Have no idea why people care about stock power draw, just change it in 5 seconds, seriously who really cares?

TumbleGeorgeI need of much more (real)increase for to be staggered. Please, no more fake teraflops!

phints4070 Super is 225W TDP, keeping the 5070 at 220W TDP sounds good. It'll be a solid performance/watt increase

Neo_MorpheusThe funny thing is, everyone calls the whole Radeon 7000 series trash because of power consumption,

oxrufiioxoNot every sample will do that though but I'd make a bet almost every 4090 can be dropped to 350w with almost no loss in performance.

Mine boost to almost 2900mhz stock and stays there is my guess why there is some slight performance drop at 350w it sticks around 2600mhz

fevgatosThe card is memory limited so yeah, the core dropping clocks doesn't impact performance. Just clock your memory a bit and it should be faster than stock. I'm running +1400 on mine

MxPhenom 216He doesnt know either. Theres nothing really keeping a user of atx 3.0 PSU using these new cards. The connector, even tho its not the newer revision adopted with atx 3.1 will still work.

fevgatosTry horizon zero dawn. Yeah the old one. Medium just destroyes the graphics, it removes all shadows etc. I used fsr high instead of native medium on my laptop, looked way better

oxrufiioxoIt's a 10% ish increase likely due to them wanting to push it a bit since the node isn't significantly better.

Ada can be really power tuned with almost no loss in performance guessing it'll be the same with this.

My 4090 at 350w loses almost no performance definitely not enough to be noticed without using an overlay at 320w it's less than 5%.

Guessing the 5090 is going to be some monstrosity that is borderline HPC with a price to match.

fevgatosI'm running mine on 320w with some oced memory, it's 2-3% faster than stock, lol :D

Have no idea why people care about stock power draw, just change it in 5 seconds, seriously who really cares?

Neo_MorpheusThe funny thing is, everyone calls the whole Radeon 7000 series trash because of power consumption, but magically that is not an issue with Ngreedia in this case. Granted, these are rumors, but still.

Personally, I hated AMD pricing and naming though. Each one should’ve been named a tier less and priced accordingly.

Example the 7900 XTX should’ve been 7800 XT and priced at 799.

Then again, in many raster games (you know the ones that compromise like 90% of the whole Steam catalog) the 7900 xtx is on average 20-30% slower than the 4090 but priced up to 60% less, depending on vendors, rebates and packed in games.

ARFWhen we desperately need their healthy competition.

Neo_MorpheusBut thats the thing, i do think that the 7000 series is competitive up to the 4080.

Neo_MorpheusThe “problems “ at least for gamers, is the gimmicks, like fsr, dlss and RT.

FSR and dlss plus fake frames are there to cheat over native rendering and hide their perhaps limited performance at the given resolutions.

And RT is simply the influencers (formerly known as reviewers) earning their free 4090s. We have less than 5 games that properly use RT yet we are made believe otherwise.

AusWolfIt's from 2017. I highly doubt you need medium graphics with a 7900 XT in it to run properly.


It's 10% now, but let's not forget that power requirements have been steadily increasing ever since Turing. The GTX 1060 had a TDP of 120 W. That's x50 card territory now.


Because that's what you see before you boot into windows, install your tools and apply your own power limit, maybe?

ARFI don't think that RX 6400, RX 6500 XT and RX 7600 are exactly competitive. The first two are junk leftover from some hybrid laptop systems, which do need a CPU + dGPU, in order to use the CPU's media engine as the default video accelerator, while the latter is too weak - it's a 6nm chip with 0% performance improvement over the older RX 6600/6650 XT.

ARFAMD doesn't innovate, it simply follows the nvidia leadership. This is in fact duopoly, with all the legal consequences that arise from this.

ARFI don't listen to their marketing BS. I use the classic approach - use low and medium setting where needed to achieve high enough FPS.

ARFI don't think that RX 6400, RX 6500 XT and RX 7600 are exactly competitive. The first two are junk leftover from some hybrid laptop systems, which do need a CPU + dGPU, in order to use the CPU's media engine as the default video accelerator, while the latter is too weak - it's a 6nm chip with 0% performance improvement over the older RX 6600/6650 XT.

oxrufiioxoAs the gains from the process node diminish that is just the reality the days are gone of both getting a massive performance increase at lower power for people who actually want progress when it comes to performance this is just the reality.... I am sure whatever the 5060/5070 end up being anyone who cares will be able to slim down the power target quite a bit.

The 5090 will likely be 80-100% faster than the 3090ti at the same or lower power though so anyone who want's to pay for it can still get massive performance per watt improvements.

Vayra86I wouldnt be too quick to say that. AMD isnt really trying so we only have Nvidia ergo Huangs blue eyes to believe this. Nvidia is simply in a position to say this right now. And look how it works for their margins.

Meanwhile, on CPU, where a real competitor exists and both are REALLY trying to make the best cpus, we see lots of progress irrespective of the node. From chiplet, to interconnects, big little, X3D... and then we see that power really doesnt have to keep going up.

Neo_MorpheusThe funny thing is, everyone calls the whole Radeon 7000 series trash because of power consumption, but magically that is not an issue with Ngreedia in this case. Granted, these are rumors, but still.

Personally, I hated AMD pricing and naming though. Each one should’ve been named a tier less and priced accordingly.

Example the 7900 XTX should’ve been 7800 XT and priced at 799.

Then again, in many raster games (you know the ones that compromise like 90% of the whole Steam catalog) the 7900 xtx is on average 20-30% slower than the 4090 but priced up to 60% less, depending on vendors, rebates and packed in games.

oxrufiioxoAmd has also stagnated when it comes to cores or at the very least cores per tier the 9900X really should be the R7 with the 9700X being the R5.

R0H1TNot really no for desktops I'd still say the biggest issue is bandwidth & till that is addressed, either with 4 channel MC or something else, the practical limits at teh top end will remain roughly the same. Zen is still a pretty lean core so they can go even wider & then they will need to make it work with even higher memory speeds/wider memory interface at the lowest end which includes desktops.
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oxrufiioxoYeah but gaming specifically it's slowing down quite a bit a lot of that has to do with developers for sure but we are seeing 5-10 ish per year improvements while getting 50%+ at the top for gpus generation every two years.

Amd has also stagnated when it comes to cores or at the very least cores per tier the 9900X really should be the R7 with the 9700X being the R5.....

MT performance in general has been nice an 3Dvcache keeps amd competitive with Intel in gaming but intel hasn't shipped a new desktop arch since 2022 and amd is barely faster depending on the gaming suite benchmarked not really impressive to me

To me it feels like decent pricing after launch ofc has been the only real winner with cpus at launch they've all been overpriced as well.

It's really just the 500 and under market that has really gone to shite with graphic cards and pricing in general not actual improvements at the top generation after generation.

AusWolfI guess there's also the fact that one doesn't need more than 8 cores in a mainstream desktop, just like one doesn't need more than a 6700 XT for 1440p and below with sensible graphics settings and FPS expectations. The enthusiast range expanded downwards to the x80, or even x70 level while game hardware requirements haven't increased rapidly like we saw in the '90s and early 2000s.

Legacy-ZAMore interested to see if they stopped sniffing glue; meaning, if this generation will be affordable and have more than enough VRAM.

ChaitanyaWith GPU along sucking 500W, this time around wont be surprised to find 1kW PSU being bare minimum for High end WS builds(with single GPU).

ARFI wouldn't be so rude to point the finger onto normal people who value the better product.

Visible NoiseIf slow, hot and lacking features is how you define the better product maybe its best to have a finger pointed at you.