Tuesday, July 16th 2024
Intel Planning P-core Only "Bartlett" LGA1700 Processor for 2025
In a surprising development, Intel plans to extend the longevity of its Socket LGA1700 platform even as the newer LGA1851 platform led by the Core Ultra 200 "Arrow Lake" remains on track for a late-Q3/early-Q4 2024 debut. This, according to a sensational leak by Jaykihn. It plans to do this with a brand-new silicon for LGA1700, codenamed "Bartlett." This should particularly interest gamers for what's on offer. Imagine the "Raptor Lake-S" die, but with four additional P-cores replacing the four E-core clusters, making a 12-core pure P-core processor—that's "Bartlett." At this point we're not sure which P-core is in use—whether it's the current "Raptor Cove," or whether an attempt will be made by Intel to backport a variant of "Lion Cove" to LGA1700.
This wouldn't be the first pure P-core client processor from Intel after its pivot to heterogeneous multicore—the "Alder Lake" H0 die has six "Golden Cove" P-cores, and lacks any E-core clusters. Intel is planning to give launch an entire new "generation" of processor SKUs for LGA1700 which use the newer client processor nomenclature by Intel, which is Core 200-series, but without the "Ultra" brand extension. There will be SKUs in the Core 3, Core 5, Core 7, and Core 9 brand extensions. Some of these will be Hybrid, and based on the rehashed "Raptor Lake-S" 8P+16E silicon, and some "Alder Lake-S" 8P+8E; but "Bartlett" will be distinctly branded within the series, probably using a letter next to the numerical portion of the processor model number. There will not be any Core 3 series chips based on "Bartlett," but Core 5, Core 7, and Core 9.
The Core 5 "Bartlett" series will feature an 8-core configuration. That's 8 P-cores, and no E-cores. The Core 7 "Bartlett" will be 10-core, no E-core. The Core 9 "Bartlett" will draw the most attention, as being 12-core. If Intel is using "Raptor Cove" P-cores, these should be 8-core/16-thread, 10-core/20-thread, and 12-core/24-thread, respectively. Depending on the K- or non-K SKUs, these chips feature a processor base power value of 125 W, or 65 W, or even 45 W.
Intel is planning to launch these non-Ultra Core Socket LGA1700 processors in Q1-2025, but the "Bartlett" silicon won't arrive before Q3-2025.
Source:
Jaykihn (Twitter)
This wouldn't be the first pure P-core client processor from Intel after its pivot to heterogeneous multicore—the "Alder Lake" H0 die has six "Golden Cove" P-cores, and lacks any E-core clusters. Intel is planning to give launch an entire new "generation" of processor SKUs for LGA1700 which use the newer client processor nomenclature by Intel, which is Core 200-series, but without the "Ultra" brand extension. There will be SKUs in the Core 3, Core 5, Core 7, and Core 9 brand extensions. Some of these will be Hybrid, and based on the rehashed "Raptor Lake-S" 8P+16E silicon, and some "Alder Lake-S" 8P+8E; but "Bartlett" will be distinctly branded within the series, probably using a letter next to the numerical portion of the processor model number. There will not be any Core 3 series chips based on "Bartlett," but Core 5, Core 7, and Core 9.
Intel is planning to launch these non-Ultra Core Socket LGA1700 processors in Q1-2025, but the "Bartlett" silicon won't arrive before Q3-2025.
140 Comments on Intel Planning P-core Only "Bartlett" LGA1700 Processor for 2025
Its weird given Once Human only minimum requires an i5 4460 and recommends an i7-7700 both of which are only 4 cores one with better IPC and HT being the 7700. So it really struggles with 8 and HT??
What about other games. Any need or big benefit from more than 8 cores even in 4K?
I have heard so many conflicting stories on this?
But many gamers do not want hybrid or dual CCD setups so stick to 8 P core only models with SMT/HT (7800X3D, 7700X, 5800X3D) or Intel 12th to 14th Gen with e-cores disabled) and if a 12 P core came about, many gamers who want no scheduling or heterogenous or dual CCD would jump on it with such a game example of desiring more than 8 cores.
But I have not heard anything since about this Bartlett Lake so not sure how much legs this rumor has.
Still, if Intel releases a 12P CPU with all AVX-512 extensions enabled, it'll make for a fine Core non-Ultra Series 2 processor line.
Or maybe the small server segment that wants a ring bus and AVX512 than package it as enthusiast :LGA 1700 chip as a beta test run for us gamers niche who want more than 8 P cores and all such cores on one die of homogenous arch and if it works good produce more for small server and network edge market.
Maybe they intend to use us as a beta test run which could mean even worse problems when they milk us as we run out to buy it the chip we so waited for that never was made and they scrap it and hang up on our RMA requests when it degrades like a paper tiger and has stability issues like the current 8 + 16 chips do. And I am skeptical even of the microcode update.
But a new 12 + 0 die on a ring bus maybe its good. I may be wiling to take that risk.
But we know most games are made for consoles with 8 cores and the best PC gaming cpu has 8 cores. It will certainly do worse in multi-threaded performance. Still... A lot of people seem to really not like ecores so that alone might sell a good amount of chips.
I'm sure there's some niche use cases where it would be beneficial, otherwise why would they make it? I heard networking, but not sure about that.