Friday, August 2nd 2024

NVIDIA Hit with DOJ Antitrust Probe over AI GPUs, Unfair Sales Tactics and Pricing Alleged

NVIDIA has reportedly been hit with a US Department of Justice (DOJ) antitrust probe over the tactics the company allegedly employs to sell or lease its AI GPUs and data-center networking equipment, "The Information" reported. Shares of the NVIDIA stock fell 3.6% in the pre-market trading on Friday (08/02). The main complainants behind the probe appear to be a special interest group among the customers of AI GPUs, and not NVIDIA's competitors in the AI GPU industry per se. US Senator Elizabeth Warren and US progressives have been most vocal about calling upon the DOJ to investigate antitrust allegations against NVIDIA.

Meanwhile, US officials are reportedly reaching out to NVIDIA's competitors, including AMD and Intel, to gather information about the complaints. NVIDIA holds 80% of the AI GPU market, while AMD, and to a much lesser extent, Intel, have received spillover demand for AI GPUs. "The Information" report says that the complaint alleges NVIDIA pressured cloud customers to buy "multiple products". We don't know what this means, one theory holds that NVIDIA is getting them to commit to buying multiple generations of products (eg: Ampere, Hopper, and over to Blackwell); while another holds that it's getting them to buy multiple kinds of products, which include not just the AI GPUs, but also NVIDIA's first-party server systems and networking equipment. Yet another theory holds that it is bundle first-party software and services to go with the hardware, far beyond the basic software needed to get the hardware to work.
Another aspects of the antitrust complaint holds that NVIDIA charges more for its data-center infrastructure products, specifically its networking equipment, if customers want to buy AI GPUs from NVIDIA's competitors—AMD and Intel. AMD's Instinct CDNA and Intel's Gaudi accelerators receive attention from cloud customers bit by pricing or long delivery timelines from NVIDIA, which holds 80% of the AI GPU market.

NVIDIA released a statement on this matter, where it assured full cooperation with the investigation. "We compete based on decades of investment and innovation, scrupulously adhering to all laws, making NVIDIA openly available in every cloud and on-prem for every enterprise, and ensuring that customers can choose whatever solution is best for them," an NVIDIA spokesperson said in a statement to Reuters.
Sources: The Information, Reuters, Reuters (2)
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50 Comments on NVIDIA Hit with DOJ Antitrust Probe over AI GPUs, Unfair Sales Tactics and Pricing Alleged

#26
Unregistered
Good, but don't give them a corporate slap on the wrist please (make it hurt).
#27
Neo_Morpheus
Ngreedia pulling an Intel move that illegally affects AMD?

Noooooo, i don’t believe it.

Lets see what the local white knights will spin on their defense.

Meanwhile, this week karma has come full force in AMD favor. Only company missing in getting a karma slap is dell.

Really happy otherwise with this week.
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#28
kapone32
Neo_MorpheusNgreedia pulling an Intel move that illegally affects AMD?

Noooooo, i don’t believe it.

Lets see what the local white knights will spin on their defense.

Meanwhile, this week karma has come full force in AMD favor. Only company missing in getting a karma slap is dell.

Really happy otherwise with this week.
As someone that supported AMD because they were the underdog this post is priceless.
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#29
pcminirace
The starting price of 1080TI was $699
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#31
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
QUANTUMPHYSICSI really miss EVGA
Too bad nvidia was abusing them
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#33
stimpy88
CUDA is the only reason nGreedia is in the finantial position it is right now.

If somebody could get it to cork with AMD cards, and AMD kept their prices fair and met production demand, then we can say goodbye to nGreedia, who would suddenly remember " THE WAY IT’S MEANT TO BE PLAYED" again.
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#34
DeathtoGnomes
after months of rumors, it finally come to pass, I hope $NVDA loses
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#35
Sound_Card
Nvidia will never lose so long as they have an army of sheep that drop over two grand for a graphics card. Let's be real here.
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#36
wolf
Better Than Native
What a fun hate circlejerk this thread is. Nvidia lives rent free in quite a few minds it would seem.

Hopefully the truth is found out, and if any wrongdoing is proven, then it must be punished.
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#37
kapone32
Where is Dr Dro now with his making fun of me supporting AMD morally? You cannot really speak about Nvidia in this light without getting political so I won't.
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#38
Geofrancis
wolfWhat a fun hate circlejerk this thread is. Nvidia lives rent free in quite a few minds it would seem.

Hopefully the truth is found out, and if any wrongdoing is proven, then it must be punished.
I lost money getting stuck with defective laptops during bumpgate, I havent bought nvidia since.
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#39
fevgatos
kapone32Where is Dr Dro now with his making fun of me supporting AMD morally? You cannot really speak about Nvidia in this light without getting political so I won't.
Why do you think amd is moral? Do they have better behaved shareholders or what? What is your theory?

Im fully certain that all of them are trying to scum us out our money. All of them.
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#40
kapone32
fevgatosWhy do you think amd is moral? Do they have better behaved shareholders or what? What is your theory?

Im fully certain that all of them are trying to scum us out our money. All of them.
Show me any article that AMD has the same tactics as Intel and Nvidia. History is on the side of my argument. Here is some food for thought on it. AMD has not yet released the 9000 chips to everyone (with the 13th/14Th iisue) and guess what? They are actually cheaper than 7000. That totally belies your argument. I could also use Freesync/VRR or the fact that AMD supports Linux since whenever but other than the fact that they are in the same space there is no comparison between AMD and Nvidia. One has been adding partners while the other screwed one of the most beloved companies in this space (EVGA) and no one blinked. As said before this is a DOJ investigation.
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#41
fevgatos
kapone32Show me any article that AMD has the same tactics as Intel and Nvidia. History is on the side of my argument.
Define "same tactics".
kapone32AMD has not yet released the 9000 chips to everyone (with the 13th/14Th iisue) and guess what? They are actually cheaper than 7000.
And the zen 3 were ~50% more expensive than zen 2. Does that make them immoral? If not, then how does them lowering the prices makes them moral? They lower the prices cause their eg. R7 can't compete with intel's' i7. Has nothing to do with morality. Last gen they offered half the core counts (literally) for the same MSRP as Intel. That didn't go so well so they had to quickly drop prices.


Can your boss call you immoral cause you didn't accept a price cut? I mean I don't see how prices have anything to do with morality.
kapone32I could also use Freesync/VRR or the fact that AMD supports Linux since whenever but other than the fact that they are in the same space there is no comparison between AMD and Nvidia.
How does them support linux make them more moral? Maybe we have a different definition of morality.
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#42
Sound_Card
fevgatosWhy do you think amd is moral? Do they have better behaved shareholders or what? What is your theory?

Im fully certain that all of them are trying to scum us out our money. All of them.
Bro...

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#45
fevgatos
Sound_CardYou scummed yourself.
Totally, buying the fastest graphics card is scumming yourself. Buying the slowest one makes you the real winner chief.
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#46
kapone32
fevgatosDefine "same tactics".
Paying Dell to not recommend that AMD exists. Telling board partners that they cannot use the same nomenclature. Threatening a YT channel with loss of sponsorship money to not giive negatve reviews. Nickel and Diming customers for 10 years with MB updates every 6 months that break compatibility. Do you need any more ?
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#47
wolf
Better Than Native
fevgatosWhy do you think amd is moral? Do they have better behaved shareholders or what? What is your theory
AMD gets away with as much screwing us as they possibly can, fortunately (?) for them, they have far more limited reach and ability to do so. But a fair few examples do spring to mind. The problem is, if you bring them up, buy there's a good half dozen or so people in this thread frothing at the mouth with the chance to explain away or defend those actions. Rent free.
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#48
Zazigalka
It's hard for me to reconcile the fact that nvidia clearly abuses its market position with practices that hurt everyone but themselves with the fact that their products are really good. My personal experience with GF is better than my experience with GCN/RDNA2 cards I had. Not that the latter was really that bad, but it required more troubleshooting for sure.
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#49
RJARRRPCGP
The Eth-bull-run-PoW era, sure seemed to have started the "glorified display adapter" trend!
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