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Puget Systems Releases CPU Failure Report: AMD CPUs Achieve Higher Failure Rate Than Intel 13th and 14th Generation

A fleet of recent reports have highlighted stability issues affecting Intel's 13th and 14th-generation desktop processors, raising concerns among consumers and industry professionals. The problem, which has gained significant attention over the past few months, is related to the processors' physical degradation over time. Custom PC builder Puget Systems has shared insights from its experience with these processors, revealing a nuanced perspective on the issue. While it has observed an increase in CPU failures, particularly with the 14th-generation chips, its failure rates remain notably lower than those reported by some game development studios and cloud gaming providers, who have cited failure rates as high as 50%. An interesting observation is that Puget Systems recorded a higher failure rate with AMD Ryzen 5000 and Ryzen 7000 series than Intel's 13/14th generation, with most failures happening at Puget's shop rather than the "field" in customers' hands.

Puget Systems attributes their more modest failure rates of Intel processors to their conservative approach to power management settings. By adhering strictly to Intel's specifications and developing their own power settings that don't hurt performance, they've managed to mitigate some of the stability issues plaguing other users. Intel has acknowledged the problem and announced plans to release a microcode patch by mid-August, with extended warranty program. This update is expected to prevent further degradation but may not reverse existing damage. Despite the elevated failure rates, Puget Systems' data shows that the issue, while concerning, still needs to be at critical levels for their operations. The company reports that failure rates for 13th and 14th gen Intel processors, while higher than ideal, are still lower than those they experienced with Intel's 11th gen chips and some AMD Ryzen processors. In response to the situation, Puget Systems is taking several steps, including maintaining its current power management practices, promptly validating Intel's upcoming microcode update, and extending warranties for affected customers. Below, you can see failure rates by month, by Intel's Core generation, as well as by "shop" vs "field" testing.
Source: Puget Systems
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127 Comments on Puget Systems Releases CPU Failure Report: AMD CPUs Achieve Higher Failure Rate Than Intel 13th and 14th Generation

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WreckenballEvery time I have set up a new motherboard for AM4, I've had to adjust the cpu voltage. Asus motherboads in particular blast the cpus with way too much voltage. dropping the voltage by 50 to 60 millivolts results in a much cooler cpu and doesn't seem to hurt reliability at all. i have had a working 3400g fried by a new asus motherboard before i changed the voltage. the 3400g worked fine for a year before it was transferred to the new motherboard. I put a 3700x in it, lowered the voltage by 75 millivolts and put a replacement 3400g in the socket. I had no futher problems with that motherboard. I understand that AM5 has had much the same problems, manufacturers blasting the cpus with excessive voltages. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the root cause of the failures.
It probably is, although I've seen it differ with different hardware combinations and settings.

For example, the 7700X in my MSi Pro B650M-A Wifi board gets around 1.4 V max on the cores, while the 7800X3D barely exceeds 1 V in full use.
Also, turning EXPO on with my 6000 MHz RAM bumps up the SoC voltage to 1.3 V, while a bog standard 4800 MHz RAM speed lowers it down to a much healthier 1 V.

So, a 7800X3D with 4800 MHz RAM with full auto settings gives me such low voltages and power consumption that I don't even have to touch CO, or fiddle with anything else.
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