AnotherReaderOf course, until we get the reviews, everything is a conjecture. As for the picture, it also positions the 7700 XT below the 4060 Ti whereas, in TPU's review, the 7700 XT dominates the 4060 Ti.

On old rasterized workloads. That’s not AMD’s target.

Visible NoiseThere‘s some people that are really disconnected from reality on Anandtech’s forums. They are saying better than 7900 XTX performance for $479.

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Yes, that sounds extremely unlikely. If it matches the 7900 XTX, then it will likely surpass the 5070 Ti as well, and in that case, AMD would have to be stupid to price it at $ 549, let alone $ 479.

Visible NoiseOn old rasterized workloads. That’s not AMD’s target.

The 4060 Ti is too slow for ray tracing in games like CyberPunk so it is fair to judge it by its rasterization performance.

AnotherReaderYes, that sounds extremely unlikely. If it matches the 7900 XTX, then it will likely surpass the 5070 Ti as well, and in that case, AMD would have to be stupid to price it at $ 549, let alone $ 479.


The 4060 Ti is too slow for ray tracing in games like CyberPunk so it is fair to judge it by its rasterization perfromance.

Fwiw, I believe $479 was the initial proposed MSRP, with AIB model going for $549. For some reason, that appears to have landed AMD in hot water with retailers, so, until that is settled, the price is anyone's guess. I still say, if it doesn't conclusively (i.e. raster, RT, the whole enchilada), it can't go for more than $549.

AnotherReaderYes, that sounds extremely unlikely. If it matches the 7900 XTX, then it will likely surpass the 5070 Ti as well, and in that case, AMD would have to be stupid to price it at $ 549, let alone $ 479.


The 4060 Ti is too slow for ray tracing in games like CyberPunk so it is fair to judge it by its rasterization performance.

That’s perfectly fine for Cyberpunk. It‘s not a twitch shooter. Turn on DLSS for a smooth output.

Visible NoiseThat’s perfectly fine for Cyberpunk. It‘s not a twitch shooter. Turn on DLSS for a smooth output.

This low performance isn't limited to Cyberpunk either. Alan Wake sees it perform even worse and even the 7700 XT is faster than it there.

AnotherReaderThis low performance isn't limited to Cyberpunk either. Alan Wake sees it perform even worse and even the 7700 XT is faster than it there.

Yes, it can barely push FHD, I'd say is not up to the task. And you can't upscale either, upscaling from less than FHD looks pretty bad, iirc.

bugMany people were going to compare RDNA4 and Blackwell in the $500-ish segment and decide what to buy. They can't can't do that now.

Are kidding me? 5070 series comes in February and 9070 series comes in March. Are you saying people are so OCD that they can’t wait a couple of weeks? Nice try dude.

A personal Twitter post is not an announcement.

AnotherReaderThis low performance isn't limited to Cyberpunk either. Alan Wake sees it perform even worse and even the 7700 XT is faster than it there.

What‘s your point? That AMD doesn’t know the performance of their own GPUs? Ok, you win, AMD is full of idiots. Is that better?

Let me add that in AMDs material the 7700 XT overlaps with the 4060 TI. So no, you do not know more about AMD’s product than AMD themselves.

AusWolfA personal Twitter post is not an announcement.

From a company executive, identifying themselves as such it is. Ask Elon.

Visible NoiseFrom a company executive, identifying themselves as such it is. Ask Elon.

So where's the date? "March" is not a date.

Visible NoiseThere‘s some people that are really disconnected from reality on Anandtech’s forums. They are saying better than 7900 XTX performance for $479.

Someday. This is not that day. Or year. Or decade.
There's going to be a performance floor like ~7900XTX level just to push the pixels on our 2K/4K screens.
As in that will be the minimum silicon scrap to launch. It sounds weird, right?
It will be when 8K becomes somewhat common and priced well under $1000 USD.

DavenAre kidding me? 5070 series comes in February and 9070 series comes in March. Are you saying people are so OCD that they can’t wait a couple of weeks? Nice try dude.

These aren't high end cards by any means but the first interesting products in a new lineup.
This also bootstraps the trajectory for UDNA, whenever that happens.
Many of us don't want or need anything new and that's GREAT.
Many of us have been waiting on new drops for a while.
I passed up the 5700XT, 6800XT and couldn't manage the 7900XT.
Maybe the 9070XT is okay but then all this weird secrecy and aversion to launch details happens. Not cool.
Do you see how maybe this would be a little frustrating?
Now add creators and content brains that need these for work.

We already suffer weird problems with launches because of cryptobros, sneakerheads and other garbage infecting this space.
Then there's the Chinese chopping block that makes a buck off the pain by selling mutilated mining cards.
Then vendors get in on the action because "oh, normies are now buying THIS slop, time to capitalize and make it a race to the bottom!"
The rest of us are left behind because a card that was originally the target for gaming gets co-opted and ruined by non-gamers.
I hope the entire marketing team gets fired for this.

AusWolfSo where's the date? "March" is not a date.

Dude, seriously? I know you aren’t in the US, but you must of heard of this thing we have called the Securities and Exchange Commission? There are rules around what company executives can say in public.

Quit shifting the goalposts and listen for a change. You just may learn a thing.

Visible NoiseDude, seriously? I know you aren’t in the US, but you must of heard of this thing we have called the Securities and Exchange Commission? There are rules around what company executives can say in public.

Quit shifting the goalposts and listen for a change. You just may learn a thing.

So what prevents AMD from turning around in a month and saying that there's never been an announcement?

AusWolfSo what prevents AMD from turning around in a month and saying that there's never been an announcement?

JFC. This isn’t some stupid school yard he said she said shit. This is United States Securities law which AMD is subject to as a publicly traded company. Making false statements is called fraud.

Are you clueless about what happen between Elon Musk and the SEC over his tweets?

Visible NoiseJFC. This isn’t some stupid school yard he said she said shit. This is United States Securities law which AMD is subject to as a publicly traded company.

Are you clueless about what happen between Elon Musk and the SEC over his tweets?

Yep how is that fine that they gave Intel to pay AMD?

kapone32Yep how is that fine that they gave Intel to pay AMD?

More of your lies. Intel was never fined by the SEC.

But do try to keep on the subject of the thread, ok?

Visible NoiseMore of your lies. Intel was never fined by the SEC.

But do try to keep on the subject of the thread, ok?

Ok I am lying. There is no such Company as Dell.

Visible NoiseJFC. This isn’t some stupid school yard he said she said shit. This is United States Securities law which AMD is subject to as a publicly traded company. Making false statements is called fraud.

Are you clueless about what happen between Elon Musk and the SEC over his tweets?

Let's just hope you're right, then.

kapone32Ok I am lying. There is no such Company as Dell.

Wut?

Visible NoiseWut?

Exactly

kapone32Exactly

I’m assuming you mean the 2009 settlement between AMD and Intel? A settlement isn’t a fine.

www.amd.com/content/dam/amd/en/documents/pdfs/corporate/amd-intel-settlement-agreement-full.pdf

Visible NoiseOn old rasterized workloads. That’s not AMD’s target.

Maybe read the review before making an ignorant comment? The 7700XT spanks the 4060Ti in RT too. That's pathetic lol I didn't even realise the 4060Ti was that bad a piece of shit

Visible NoiseI’m assuming you mean the 2009 settlement between AMD and Intel? A settlement isn’t a fine.

www.amd.com/content/dam/amd/en/documents/pdfs/corporate/amd-intel-settlement-agreement-full.pdf

I would open a can of worms because I've experienced first hand what 'unlawfulness' intel was up to at the time but i'll stop. But yes, a settlement isn't a fine. Not sure how that matters though because in short, AMD sued Intel and Intel paid them to 'settle' the lawsuit. They wouldn't be paying if they weren't in the wrong.

mkppoMaybe read the review before making an ignorant comment? The 7700XT spanks the 4060Ti in RT too. That's pathetic lol I didn't even realise the 4060Ti was that bad a piece of shit

I think you are having difficulty. I see a 4060 Ti quite a ways up the list from the 7700 XT. 123% vs 115%.

I’m sure you just missed that and weren’t trying to cherry pick a particular result to push a narrative. Everyone makes mistakes. Of course it can be rather embarrassing calling someone else‘s comment “ignorant“ in such a case.

Visible NoiseI think you are having difficulty. I see a 4060 Ti quite a ways up the list from the 7700 XT. 123% vs 115%.

I’m sure you just missed that and weren’t trying to cherry pick a particular result to push a narrative. Everyone makes mistakes. Of course it can be rather embarrassing calling someone else‘s comment “ignorant“ in such a case.

Nah man, you are.

There's no memory configuration listed in AMD's slides, but clearly the 8GB 4060Ti i'm talking about is bright green at the bottom of the chart and considerably slower than the 7700XT. You're talking about the 4060Ti 16GB, you know the one that has been ridiculed to infinity and no one even talks about.

Even if we assume AMD meant an average of 8/16GB 4060Ti's, it would still come to ~112% which is still slower than a 7700XT in RT.

I'll ignore your second line altogether but no need for theatrics. I guess you got worked up over the word ignorant, so let's just go with incorrect.

To be honest I'm interested in the news but not in the mid-range cards launch date / price whatever. Why don't they launch a Maybe kick ass 9900xtx First? doesn't make sense