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So their first three excuses were all lies? Now the problem is their drivers are shit.


And as far the conjecture about pricing, well the only one that got jebaited was AMD. By their own software team. Great that “AMD is now a software company“ according to their CEO.

No the issue isn't the drivers are "shit" but I expect no less from the geforce parade to move the goalposts out of sight.
AMD wants to get FSR4 right which so far seems to be a big deal, as even HW Unboxed praised how good it looked at CES. If AMD rushed these to market and FSR4 didn't work on more than a few games the nvidia buyers would still be shi$%ing on it.

If your drivers are in such bad shape that after years of development they are preventing you from even announcing a product, they are by definition “shit”.

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So their first three excuses were all lies? Now the problem is their drivers are shit.


And as far the conjecture about pricing, well the only one that got jebaited was AMD. By their own software team. Great that “AMD is now a software company“ according to their CEO.

Next, they discover the horoscope in unfavorable during that period.

Whatever dude, leave them be. They'll release when they'll release.

DenverNone of these products have a high margin, you just have no idea what you're talking about. Which is no big deal, most people don't.

A product that you've invested billions to develop, hundreds of millions to support, and only sells chips, so that AIBs, retailers and intermediaries get a slice of the profit from the final product is not "high margin", especially now. Hardware will inevitably become more expensive, and it's not because of AMD's greed, it's because silicon is simply nearing its limits, making everything more expensive, complex and inefficient. Secondly, TSMC has no competition, ASML has no competition, so there's no point grumbling. That doesn't change reality.

I agree, I don't. But I was saying that only except AMD knows how much R&D, Manufacturing, Marketing/Advertising, etc., all costs to eventually bring out, say GPUs. My Guesstimation would be total cost per unit is approx. $250-$300.

My point was that they've been losing market share rapidly. And to turn it around, they need effective marketing and effective pricing. At the moment, RDNA2 was overpriced and RDNA3 was well overpriced. It also didn't help when retail outlets also overpriced the GPUs well above AMDs price recommendations.

AusWolfIncome - expenses = profit. Market share has nothing to do with it. The only thing a high market share does is it gives you a bit more leeway in setting prices (aka. Nvidia's price gouging).

I get your point but this topic of market share = profits is subjective. A larger market share does allow a company to produce more at a lower cost per unit and open up more favorable distribution channels. Oh look we are now talking about Nvidia aren't we.

Super XPI get your point but this topic of market share = profits is subjective. A larger market share does allow a company to produce more at a lower cost per unit and open up more favorable distribution channels. Oh look we are now talking about Nvidia aren't we.

That's not entirely accurate. A larger market share can allow to to produce for cheaper via getting bigger discounts for placing more orders.
It can also let you sell for cheaper, see how Nvidia made sure that AIBs, along with their custom, more expensive models, also sell one model at MSRP.

Of course, that is little consolation as long as silicon demand far exceeds supply.

bugThat's not entirely accurate. A larger market share can allow to to produce for cheaper via getting bigger discounts for placing more orders.
It can also let you sell for cheaper, see how Nvidia made sure that AIBs, along with their custom, more expensive models, also sell one model at MSRP.

Of course, that is little consolation as long as silicon demand far exceeds supply.

TSMC isn't known for offering discounts; the Intel rumour was probably a mudslinging attempt against Gelsinger. However, a larger market share allows you to amortize R&D costs over more units so it matters even for costs.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

One has to wonder if AMD's discrete graphics division purposely screws up. I mean how can these people still have jobs based on launches over the past several years. They can't get out of their own way. Seriously, if market share was the real reason RDNA4 will have no halo products, they NEED to hit fast with way better pricing than the competition. What an absolute JOKE!

ZareekOne has to wonder if AMD's discrete graphics division purposely screws up. I mean how can these people still have jobs based on launches over the past several years. They can't get out of their own way. Seriously, if market share was the real reason RDNA4 will have no halo products, they NEED to hit fast with way better pricing than the competition. What an absolute JOKE!

I don't think they're that stupid. Maybe they don't have as much wriggle room as we think. Seems like they're getting squeezed between the fabs raising prices and partners resisting price adjustments. If that doesn't turn out to be the case then I'd agree that it's absolute incompetence.

Event HorizonI don't think they're that stupid. Maybe they don't have as much wriggle room as we think. Seems like they're getting squeezed between the fabs raising prices and partners resisting price adjustments. If that doesn't turn out to be the case then I'd agree that it's absolute incompetence.

I'm willing to bet the margins are still fantastic, god knows Nvidia's are. Again, as long as they aren't selling them at a loss, it's worthwhile if they want a chance at competing again at some point, they are quickly becoming irrelevant in PC gaming.

My intent was to express that who ever is in charge of the hardware launches is incompetent. Not stupid, I seriously doubt very many people get high level positions with publicly traded companies that are just plain stupid. You can be highly educated, smart as hell and still be completely incompetent at some things.

So many people in the comments out of touch with reality gee. Listen up.. everyone knows by now that the 9070 XT equals 4070 Ti Super and that 5070 Ti equals 4070 Ti Super as well, it could not even get there honestly. Absolutely for sure the 9070 XT will be better than the 5070 Ti, that's out of question. The huge question mark here is: what is the price going to be? Will AMD do just like last gen where they priced their "equivalent card" $50 below Nvidia, in this case launching the 9070 XT for $700 OR are they going to go extreme mode and ask $500 for it? People are completely insane to suggest "if it's not $400 I will not buy it", go buy Nvidia then bye. If AMD pulls the $500 card you can bet I'm buying one (or two lol) day one . People saying "I'm not going to wait" just give your hard earned money to Ngreedia then and life goes on, just don't cry if AMD actually stomps over Nvidia this time. Everybody should wait and see what they do, simple. Worst case scenario they do price the 9070 XT those $700 after all, but they will still sell the 9070 for $500 anyways and that card also.has 16GB VRAM and will perform above the 5070 as well, 4070 Ti level while the 5070 will trade blows with the 4070 Super. So.. $500 for a 16GB 4070 Ti isn't that bad, it's not as exceptional as almost a 4080/7900XTX at half last gen price but it's also better than what Nvidia is asking

They had years to optimise that software, it's not like Navi 48 is designed in a week or so.
It's obvious that they have problems, but if they have problems the right thing to do is to make changes in the management, not to delay a critical launch.

oofdragonSo many people in the comments out of touch with reality gee. Listen up.. everyone knows by now that the 9070 XT equals 4070 Ti Super and that 5070 Ti equals 4070 Ti Super as well, it could not even get there honestly. Absolutely for sure the 9070 XT will be better than the 5070 Ti, that's out of question. The huge question mark here is: what is the price going to be? Will AMD do just like last gen where they priced their "equivalent card" $50 below Nvidia, in this case launching the 9070 XT for $700 OR are they going to go extreme mode and ask $500 for it? People are completely insane to suggest "if it's not $400 I will not buy it", go buy Nvidia then bye. If AMD pulls the $500 card you can bet I'm buying one (or two lol) day one . People saying "I'm not going to wait" just give your hard earned money to Ngreedia then and life goes on, just don't cry if AMD actually stomps over Nvidia this time. Everybody should wait and see what they do, simple. Worst case scenario they do price the 9070 XT those $700 after all, but they will still sell the 9070 for $500 anyways and that card also.has 16GB VRAM and will perform above the 5070 as well, 4070 Ti level while the 5070 will trade blows with the 4070 Super. So.. $500 for a 16GB 4070 Ti isn't that bad, it's not as exceptional as almost a 4080/7900XTX at half last gen price but it's also better than what Nvidia is asking

using all your logic, you could find the 7800xt for around 400usd, and it's just 27% slower than the 4070 ti super, if AMD prices a 9070 that performs like a 4070ti for 500usd that's still not a great deal, 25% more performance for 25% more price, that's shit. And i'm ignoring RT, DLSS, better drivers, etc...

And unlike Nvidia, where some of their cards go up in value and the others retain most of their value, the AMD cards are like Alfa Romeos, they are worth less what you pay as soon as you take them home. You can find very cheap RDNA3 cards, making the new ones a hard sell unless price is very competitive

and this is why AMD doesn't sell

I switched from a RX 580 to RX 5500 XT to RX 6600 XT to a 4070 mainly because of the missing Linux HDMI 2.1a 48GB/s support (don't suggest me adapters,, this is not how it's supposed to be or they all have issues) and the power scaling issues for RDNA3 (maybe due to the chiplet design?), DLSS is another one now. With RDNA4 AMD has now the chance to fix all these issues: It looks to be a monolithic chip design (no power scaling issues hopefully), first coverage shows FSR4 to have greatly improved upscaling and finally AI based like DLSS and now only the HDMI 2.1a support must be fixed before I consider an AMD GPU again (for me it's ok if AMD uses binary blobs on Linux to fix the issue, because the HDMI Forum doesn't allow HDMI 2.1a implemented as open source).