Wednesday, January 22nd 2025

US Prepares for Stargate Project: 500 Billion Dollars of AI Infrastructure Buildout

On Tuesday, the newly inaugurated United States president, Donald Trump, announced a massive AI infrastructure expansion in the US called Stargate Project. Stargate is an idea that brings private investments across the US land, with up to 500 billion US dollars committed to the project over the next four years. This is single-handedly one of the most significant infrastructure projects ever planned, and this time it is all about AI and data centers. The initial phase involves deploying 100 billion US Dollars immediately, while the remaining 400 billion will be deployed periodically over the next four years. OpenAI and SoftBank are leading this project, with Softbank's CEO Masayoshi Son being the project's chairman. Major equity partners include SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. Major technology partners who will supply the know-how, planning, software, and hardware are Arm, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, and OpenAI.

Leading the entire operation will be up to OpenAI, who is gaining operational lead in the project, while Softbank oversees financial planning. Interestingly, the buildout has already begun. OpenAI is currently exploring a few sites in Abilene, Texas, which includes ten 500,000 sq. ft. data centers with 20 planned for the future. Interestingly, the infrastructure expansion will most likely be present in every US state that can provide ample land and power capacity. OpenAI is looking for partners to help with the massive data centers' power, land, and construction. The most significant impact of this project will be on the power grid, which will require additional buildout and implementation of small nuclear reactors running locally nearby to satisfy the power draw from hundreds of thousands and even millions of GPUs. OpenAI is praising NVIDIA for its almost decade-long partnership, meaning that most GPUs will likely be NVIDIA-sourced.
For AI, this means that the rapid acceleration of AI infrastructure availability will allow new technologies to be deployed broadly and the GPU capacity to expand to accommodate additional model training, inference, and, as of recently, scaling test-time computing. The current top-performing models from OpenAI, o1, and o3 use inference time scaling, where models spend a significant amount of time "reasoning"—creating a chain of thought before providing an answer, thus improving their intelligence for every situation. This is also called test-time scaling, which requires massive computational capacity, which the new Stargate Project plans to deliver.
Sources: OpenAI, CBS News
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26 Comments on US Prepares for Stargate Project: 500 Billion Dollars of AI Infrastructure Buildout

#1
kondamin
If it’s just private capital there isnt much I can say about it, I was expecting the ai bubble to pop this year though.

i do think it’s a giant waste of money and resources For a nation with an ancient crumbling infrastructure.
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clopezi
kondaminIf it’s just private capital there isnt much I can say about it, I was expecting the ai bubble to pop this year though.

i do think it’s a giant waste of money and resources For a nation with an ancient crumbling infrastructure.
AI it's not a bubble. Maybe it's the perception that some people have about it and maybe it's a bubble for end users, but for big companies and corporations, AI it's a new industrial revolution.
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#3
katzi
Disgusting...

Besmirching one of my all-time favourite Sci-fi IP's by association with this shit.
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#4
kondamin
clopeziAI it's not a bubble. Maybe it's the perception that some people have about it and maybe it's a bubble for end users, but for big companies and corporations, AI it's a new industrial revolution.
The internet was a bubble at the beginning of the century, huge amounts of money were dumped in ventures that didnt have the means to make that money back in a reasonable time. It collapsed.

the exact same thing is true for ai, it will stay around and become an industry that is worth its capitalisation but that is still years away.
its far To expensive to run in its current form to be commercially viable and the QE stimmy money of the past decade and a half is gone to fuel the venture capital that’s being blown on it.

just Like real estate it needs to go pop.
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#5
Bwaze
kondaminThe internet was a bubble at the beginning of the century, huge amounts of money were dumped in ventures that didnt have the means to make that money back in a reasonable time. It collapsed.

the exact same thing is true for ai, it will stay around and become an industry that is worth its capitalisation but that is still years away.
its far To expensive to run in its current form to be commercially viable and the QE stimmy money of the past decade and a half is gone to fuel the venture capital that’s being blown on it.

just Like real estate it needs to go pop.
But when the dot com bubble collapsed it lost so much money that it took literally decades for the investors to spend their money at that level.

Even if the AI bubble would suddenly collapse, I imagine it would take a long time for instance for Nvidia to start looking at gamers as a income possibility. I think they'd sooner try to make home cryptomining great again than that.
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#6
kondamin
BwazeBut when the dot com bubble collapsed it lost so much money that it took literally decades for the investors to spend their money at that level.

Even if the AI bubble would suddenly collapse, I imagine it would take a long time for instance for Nvidia to start looking at gamers as an income possibility. I think they'd sooner try to make home cryptomining great again than that.
bitcoin is now done on asics.
there is little money left on the table for nvidia mining wise after etherium moved to proof of stake and many coins followed.
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#7
Bwaze
kondaminbitcoin is now done on asics.
there is little money left on the table for nvidia mining wise after etherium moved to proof of stake and many coins followed.
Yes, right now it doesn't make any sense.

But that doesn't mean that in desperation, with the certain amount of backing of GPU mineable coin, sudden large investment from the unknown entities, sudden enthusiasm in the crypto circles (paid influencers suddenly talking just about that) it couldn't come back with etherium fork, or even some other new coin.

Wrap it somehow in "AI" buzzwords, market it as perfect for mining on AI acceleration hardware that would be lying around after AI collapse - in fact it could start even without AI collapse - just with a bit of downturn.
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#8
kondamin
BwazeYes, right now it doesn't make any sense.

But that doesn't mean that in desperation, with the certain amount of backing of GPU mineable coin, sudden large investment from the unknown entities, sudden enthusiasm in the crypto circles (paid influencers suddenly talking just about that) it couldn't come back with etherium fork, or even some other new coin.

Wrap it somehow in "AI" buzzwords, market it as perfect for mining on AI acceleration hardware that would be lying around after AI collapse - in fact it could start even without AI collapse - just with a bit of downturn.
So you can waste a lot of money in setting up a proof of work system or just put that money in proof of stake and start of with more of it....

When a bubble bursts it's companies like nvidia/supermicro that stop receiving the massive multi billion dollar orders and developers who see projects dry up.
Companies and universities won't be unplugging their servers and trying to get rid of them.
They will just use them and try to make the most of it and won't expand on them until they somehow manage to find a viable product and thats when things propperly take off
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#9
Jtuck9
I hope they remember to leave their recycling out for collection
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#10
LittleBro
Yes, this is what USA really needs, more dumb as f* chips that transform enormous energy into heat.
What a waste of money and resources.
Why not investing that money to space instead? That would be MUCH MORE BETTER investment than this "AI".

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#11
R0H1T
clopeziAI it's a new industrial revolution.
Sure, if you say so :rolleyes:
kondaminWhen a bubble bursts it's companies like nvidia/supermicro that stop receiving the massive multi billion dollar orders and developers who see projects dry up.
The problem over there is it will take a lot of churn/time for that to materialize. So, like crypto, we can debate this ad nauseam, but there's just way too much money invested in this Ponzi scheme for it to pop like tulip mania :shadedshu:
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#12
Bwaze
R0H1TSo, like crypto, we can debate this ad nauseam, but there's just way too much money invested in this Ponzi scheme for it to pop like tulip mania :shadedshu:
I don't understand this reasoning - I'd think the more money invested, the more pressure for technology to deliver revenue - revenue from the end user, not just more investor money because of the hype.

Dot com bubble collapsed at the height of investment, and at the rising revenue from customers - but the investors suddenly noticed they were overly optimistic and that it would take too long to return their investment and generate profit, so they pulled out, crashing the bubble.
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#13
Jtuck9
I thought they were saying that the whole "reasoning" angle might develop more fruits as it can be applied more specifically. I'm not sure if that's what these people are pursuing, rather than their AGI dream?!

"When space agency officials discuss why people should care about human exploration, they often say it's for the benefit of humanity."
www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-well-never-live-in-space/
The gilded age indeed...
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#14
Zaqq
American military-industrial complex is dead, welcome your new AI-military-industrial complex...
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#15
tpuuser256
Holy cow. Stocks will go wild, things are moving, I'm excited for the future.
kondaminIf it’s just private capital there isnt much I can say about it, I was expecting the ai bubble to pop this year though.

i do think it’s a giant waste of money and resources For a nation with an ancient crumbling infrastructure.
I feel like there is enough momentum for AI to develop into something everybody 'needs' in our daily lives. It's NOT going anywhere
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#16
dalekdukesboy
tpuuser256Holy cow. Stocks will go wild, things are moving, I'm excited for the future.


I feel like there is enough momentum for AI to develop into something everybody 'needs' in our daily lives. It's NOT going anywhere
My instincts line up with this.
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#18
kondamin
tpuuser256Holy cow. Stocks will go wild, things are moving, I'm excited for the future.


I feel like there is enough momentum for AI to develop into something everybody 'needs' in our daily lives. It's NOT going anywhere
The internet bubble burst, it’s still here.
just like there are still tulips in the Netherlands.

investments will just stall,
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#19
tpuuser256
kondaminThe internet bubble burst, it’s still here.
just like there are still tulips in the Netherlands.

investments will just stall,
Looking at graphs, it's obvious that investments are there to cash-on the growth of a new high demand field. The dot com bubble allowed to build the foundations of the internet as we know it today because of massive investments after that whatever has real value stays and mostly follows inflation. NVDA stock will fall hard for obvious reasons once they start losing their monopoly/competitiveness

What I'm saying is all speculative but this massive investment will shape the age of machine learning
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#20
kondamin
tpuuser256Looking at graphs, it's obvious that investments are there to cash-on the growth of a new high demand field. The dot com bubble allowed to build the foundations of the internet as we know it today because of massive investments after that whatever has real value stays and mostly follows inflation. NVDA stock will fall hard for obvious reasons once they start losing their monopoly/competitiveness

What I'm saying is all speculative but this massive investment will shape the age of machine learning
It’s a nice chunk of change that’s being tossed at it, but in the scheme of things I think a multiple of that half a trillion has been dumped in ai already.
nvda being a nearly 4 trillion usd company…
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#21
onemanhitsquad
kondaminIf it’s just private capital there isnt much I can say about it, I was expecting the ai bubble to pop this year though.

i do think it’s a giant waste of money and resources For a nation with an ancient crumbling infrastructure.
we will try to fix it all at once...
ZaqqAmerican military-industrial complex is dead, welcome your new AI-military-industrial complex...
good
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#22
ScaLibBDP
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#23
GodisanAtheist
Sounds like the tech companies scratched Trump's back by letting him announce/take credit for something they were already in the process of doing.

Now we wait for the quid pro quo...
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#24
Rightness_1
At this point, I actually feel sorry for AMD. The incompetence in the Radeon division needs booting out, it just cost them tens of Billions in contracts.
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#25
Bokkie
dalekdukesboyMy instincts line up with this.
Feels like this "AI needed in everyday life" is coming very soon at the current rate of change!
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