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In all of the 9070XT reviews I read I never saw that it was said that the claim from AMD was wrong. Did we see the same when Nvidia claimed the 5070 was as fast as a 4090? I have not seen any traffic on "AMD lied to us about the performance of the 9070XT".

Nvidia essentially got a free pass for the "5070 as fast as a 4090" claim.
The 9070XT is like the 7900XTX but $400 less with better RT and upscaling, I would consider that a win.

Hecate91Nvidia essentially got a free pass for the "5070 as fast as a 4090" claim.
The 9070XT is like the 7900XTX but $400 less with better RT and upscaling, I would consider that a win.

Apparently so do 200,000 new users.

PunkenjoyRight now is one time were all GPU you make is getting sold out. With RDNA4 in hands, the only things AMD have to do to get back market share is to ship volume.

They even use GDDR6 instead of GDDR7 to ensure maximum availability. They have no excuses.

200K GPU is nice, but they will need way way more than that. The market is starving for GPU.

I still think that AMD should have made a lower end GPU SKU with another fab like Samsung to aleviate the capacity constrain. Something like a 250$ 9050. Make it in volume and not too bad and they could reclaim a lot of market share

Agree! But it seems Samsung is sadly not an alternative any more. With their yield issues here and there, it's hard for the laymen to even tell, if there's a single viable node of them.
This is so sad. First, the GloFo bailed out from the refined node race. Intel got stuck with their 14++++++++nm for years. And got pretty low amount of decent silicon on 10/7nm and lower. Theres no one to challenge the TSMC.
This is great for the investors of nVidia and AMD, but is an utter disaster for people, which are stuck with decade+ years old graphic cards.

blinnbanirIn all of the 9070XT reviews I read I never saw that it was said that the claim from AMD was wrong. Did we see the same when Nvidia claimed the 5070 was as fast as a 4090? I have not seen any traffic on "AMD lied to us about the performance of the 9070XT".

The 9070XT is NOT being sold for 7700XT prices dog, I don't know who the hell's saying that but they belong in an institution.

Unfortunately without some context in terms of how other gens were selling at this point in the release cycle this doesn't really mean anything.

We've all seen old John Peddie Research slides showing AMD and Nvidia shipping millions of cards per quarter (granted with a full stack released) so I'm not sure how 200K cards a couple weeks from launch really stacks up.

Good for AMD though, this is their chance to show frustrated Nvidia buyers that AMD drivers won't murder your dog and steal your wife.

shipped vs sold… but in any case impressive numbers... finally good news in face of the naysayers…

Rover4444The 9070XT is NOT being sold for 7700XT prices dog, I don't know who the hell's saying that but they belong in an institution.

Maybe not where you live. When the 7700XTlanuched where I live it was almost $800. That is close to the $850 I have seen for the lowest priced cards. For reference a 7900XTX at the time was $1399. Those are in Canadian dollars. The dollar has lost value since then too so the price variance is even higher. Don't forget about Tariffs either as they will have a direct impact (or already are) on what we like to spend our money on. They will probably go to $1000 for the next supply run. There is no doubt that is expensive but still not something the market cannot handle. Is too bad though for lack of a better way the days to get a GPU for less than $400 that can perform are gone.

blinnbanirMaybe not where you live. When the 7700XTlanuched where I live it was almost $800. That is close to the $850 I have seen for the lowest priced cards. For reference a 7900XTX at the time was $1399. Those are in Canadian dollars. The dollar has lost value since then too so the price variance is even higher. Don't forget about Tariffs either as they will have a direct impact (or already are) on what we like to spend our money on. They will probably go to $1000 for the next supply run. There is no doubt that is expensive but still not something the market cannot handle. Is too bad though for lack of a better way the days to get a GPU for less than $400 that can perform are gone.

Oh so we just using 7700 XT RRP at launch and 9070 XT OOS MSRP from Canada now.

Intel cards exist below $400 by the way.

nguyenWeren't 7900XTX also heavily inflated and sold out at launch too?

The 7900XTX was not selling at this level.

Word that Jensen will never utter; NVIDIA has sold over 200,000 5000 graphic cards and counting.

Hecate91Nvidia essentially got a free pass for the "5070 as fast as a 4090" claim.

You know they got shredded all over the internet for that right, including tech press? And rightly so.

Free pass, more like selective vision.

wolfYou know they got shredded all over the internet for that right, including tech press? And rightly so.

Free pass, more like selective vision.

If AMD did the same thing there would be articles all over tearing them apart on it, and the mindshare would be calling for lawsuits.
Selective vision indeed, very obvious since you're quoting me on it lol.

Hecate91If AMD did the same thing there would be articles all over tearing them apart on it, and the mindshare would be calling for lawsuits.
Selective vision indeed, very obvious since you're quoting me on it lol.

So Nvidia got torn apart for it, lawsuits were called for, and you hypothesise that if it happened to AMD it'd be worse for them? It amazes me you can't see what you're doing here, or you can and do it anyway. Some of you folk seriously need to drop the persecution complex.

It's nice to know they don't tap into using the many Walmart's around every street corner in the US. Very thoughtful consideration for the limited selection of Micro Center's and Best Buy's. Either way guess it doesn't matter when the supply is sub zero. Could've sworn we had several new GPU launches, but you would never know.

nguyenAm I to be surprised that high end GPU are sold out and prices to be inflated at launch? :rolleyes:

Weren't 7900XTX also heavily inflated and sold out at launch too? Lots of people hold AMD dearly in their heart.

I'm not asking you to be surprised about anything, didn't follow the 7900 XTX launch, thus cant speak to what happened there. Though I find it hard to believe that the run on the 9000 cards is due entirely to AMD die-hards.

nguyenI don't know why you think I want Radeon to fail,

You certainly don't seem to pass up an opportunity to talk smack about Radeon. Not sure what else I'm supposed to think.

nguyenthey are litterally at the bottom already

Please clarify. Bottom of what? If you mean being second place in an effectively-two-horse race, this is not news.

nguyenthat I think they should try to claim at least 20% of the marketshare,

20%? They should be going for at least 40, and probably would if they could.

nguyenand selling at inflated price is not the right way to claim marketshare.

There seems to be this idea that AMD is some kind of pricing monarch, dictating from on high what retailers and scalpers are selling their cards for. They're not, because for the most part they can't. They have some leverage via contracts and such in what they can tell their AIB partners to sell to the channel for, but after that it's a free-for-all. AMD (and Nvidia, for that matter) have little to no influence over what Amazon, Best Buy, Microcenter, Mind Factory, Scan, or any other reseller charge for their cards. Even if they did, what reason do they have right now to exercise it? So far, almost everybody in the chain is "happy". Retailers are happy to be moving their stock. Distributors and AIBs are happy to have guaranteed future orders. AMD is happy to have happy partners and some real buzz behind a launch for once. All of them are happy to be making good margin. Even buyers (here's where the scare quotes come in) are "happy" enough to be paying what the resellers are asking.

I'mma break down your original statement:

nguyenLoL, exceeded expectation is a big stretch,

It does better in raster than some expected, came with a larger RT improvement than many or most thought it would, and sold out faster than I think anyone even dreamed. Not sure what you're on about here.

nguyengiven that the 9070XT would flop

As has been rightly pointed out elsewhere, it's early in the lifecycle. Maybe the momentum won't keep up. But for now, the 9070 XT is anything but a flop. If sales cool, so will prices. Only time will tell where the price will settle and if units will continue to move.

nguyenif they were selling for 650usd (that AMD wanted to)

Like I said: They're not. They're selling mostly for much more. If you're referring to RRP, a $650 launch price was entirely speculation AFAIK, unless you've got insider AMD knowledge the rest of us don't. Also, that's only $50 over what was announced, and $100 short of the rival 5070 ti. Given what we've seen thus far, they could have launched at $650 and absolutely nothing would have changed.

BwazeI guess the companies can say whatever they want, we'll never see the exact numbers, and all other partial data can be contested that it somehow doesn't represent the whole market.

So this is AMDs claim. Meanwhile Nvidia claimed it has shipped twice as many RTX 50x0 cards as in same time at RTX 40x0 launch.

NVIDIA Says It Shipped Twice The RTX 50 Cards In The First Five Weeks Than RTX 40 Series

Meanwhile gamers are scratching their heads and wondering where are all these buyers and cards...

Well, you can say you "shipped" twice as many cards. 100 is twice as many as 50. So you can also say there is barely any stock without invalidating the first statement.

AMD gave us an actual number. Nvidia has not. Guess which one I trust more?

Hecate91If AMD did the same thing there would be articles all over tearing them apart on it, and the mindshare would be calling for lawsuits.
Selective vision indeed, very obvious since you're quoting me on it lol.

After AMD's incredible sales so far are you guys STILL trying to hump the remains of that dead horse?

"muh mindshare" "muh imagine if the roles were reversed".

LMFAO man. AMD is selling numbers, clearly when they make something competitive and not half arsed, people buy them. It's not a conspiracy or "mindshare", just basic economics at work. Had AMD fulfilled their rDNA3 promises of RT they never would have reached a 10% market int he first place.

Thankfully RTG seems to have finally pulled their collective head from their collective arse and realized they need to COMPETE for once.

Random_UserAgree! But it seems Samsung is sadly not an alternative any more. With their yield issues here and there, it's hard for the laymen to even tell, if there's a single viable node of them.
This is so sad. First, the GloFo bailed out from the refined node race. Intel got stuck with their 14++++++++nm for years. And got pretty low amount of decent silicon on 10/7nm and lower. Theres no one to challenge the TSMC.
This is great for the investors of nVidia and AMD, but is an utter disaster for people, which are stuck with decade+ years old graphic cards.

They still really havent had any success past 8nm, to the point of bringing in Palantir for some godawful reason. Samsung really does need to get their act together at some point, but this is what happens when corruption runs throughout the company and you spend your money bribing political leaders to overlook your shenanigans instead of treating your engineers decently. I still havent forgotten Samsung getting away with giving their workers rare cancers to avoid paying for PPE.

Intel's biggest issue isnt even the fabs now. 10nm works decently now, their biggest issue comes down to horrendous chip design. Arrow lake is on TSMC 3nm tech and it's still a power hungry monster compared to AMD that's still on TSMC 4.

Actually, scratch that, the core isnt their biggest issue. It's the collective brain drain from their company over the last 15 years. Their corporate culture crushes those who excel and most who were worth their salt left for AMD, or apple, or qualcomm, ece years ago. Who knows how long it will take for them to have a Core 2 tier hit again.

To be fair the 9070/XT were supposed to release last January so they had 1.5 months to produce more GPUs and get more Stock.

If AMD already said it was a false claim, then why is this article still up, or at least the title not updated?

Rover4444Is this delusional, or is it just me?

It has the performance of a 7900 XT (if you don't count RT where it's faster than the XTX), and I got mine at 7700 XT price, so I see nothing delusional here.

It's a shame that prices didn't hold, though (same with Nvidia).

Update 21:00 UTC: AMD clarified for Tom's Hardware that the initial sales claim seems to be a mistake made by the original source, BenchLife. Reportedly no sales numbers were given out the event. The report page has seen seemingly deleted by BenchLife.

Nvidia seems to believe this number as true.
NVIDIA Adjusts GeForce RTX 50 Series Pricing in Europe; Slight Reduction Result of Favourable Exchange Rate | TechPowerUp

what an absurd paid propaganda article.
How could AMD know how many cards are sold, they don't sell cards. do they mean chips sold?
if they asked the AIB's they also have no idea how many cards are sold to customers. do they mean cards sold to stores?
besides there are stock literally everywhere to be sold, gaining dust in stores, because of the scalping prices.

People should have a little more critical spirit when they publish this crap. ok i saw the clarification: a lie :roll:

nguyenLoL, exceeded expectation is a big stretch, given that the 9070XT would flop if they were selling for 650usd (that AMD wanted to)

LOL. They wanted to sell it for $650 and it would have failed, yet every model including 340W OC models selling for ~$800 is sold out. LOL.
Reality check there, bud. What you're saying makes absolutely zero sense. Also, as I keep telling you, prices on these will drop below the real $600 and your imaginary $650 soon-enough.

I smell that sweet sweet green cope of the reality of nVIDIA's awful price/perf setting in. Not for you, you're still spinning, but for most people. :)

maxflyAMD came correct with a product that exceeded expectations

Exceeded who's expectations? It met my expectations. I thought it needed to keep 60 mins in 1080p Wukong and 1440p Outlaws. It achieved 59 and 59.6 according to W1z. But hey, you can OC it, so...it's fine.
It 99% met my expectations...at stock. 100% in reality for any person that can move a slider a little bit. :laugh:. That said I also wanted it to be $550, and it ain't there yet. Clock ticking until it is.

nguyenAm I to be surprised that high end GPU are sold out and prices to be inflated at launch? :rolleyes:

Weren't 7900XTX also heavily inflated and sold out at launch too? Lots of people hold AMD dearly in their heart.

I don't know why you think I want Radeon to fail, they are litterally at the bottom already that I think they should try to claim at least 20% of the marketshare, and selling at inflated price is not the right way to claim marketshare.

Yep, super high-end. Like a 5070, which resides in the same price bracket. Oh wait. I guess it is high-end compared to that, and often times still cheaper.

It's not that we think you want them to fail, guy, it's that you sound like a fool because none of what you're saying is true. The prices are inflated because they can be, when they can't be they won't be.
And then they will continue to sell more to the people that wouldn't pay those prices. And the nVIDIA cards will set on the shelves, still overpriced, until the AIBs discount them (as nVIDIA certainly won't).

TechBuyingHavocThe problem will fix itself. High prices are the solution to high prices.

Disclaimer: High being a relative term here. If you are the unlucky lonely soul to consider something high priced but no one else does, it is not a high price to the actual market.


The right way to sell anything is to "barely" sell all of your product. That is the right price, to have demand just barely outstripping supply.

So if AMD is selling all of its cards at a given price, you could argue the price is perhaps too low from a market equilibrium POV. To gain market share, you need to increase production which will then overwhelm the demand at a given price. Prices will then drop until it is no longer profitable for the producer to increase any more production.

Right, but this is all relative. Right now the price isn't too high. And will sell. Then it will be discounted. And it will sell. Then they have excess supply, and it will be discounted more. And then sell more.
Margin and volume my guy. You take the first and then the second, and I imagine they will do just that.

Hecate915070Ti is a 4080 all over again, for the same price 2 years later.

Yep. But on a piece of marketing paper somewhere it is cheaper. Both worse than 9070 xt in my very not cherry-picked Time Spy comparison, which again is a fair representation of equalized perf.
9070 xt is kind of like a better 4080 Super, and 5070ti is, as you said, kind of a 4080. And 5080 is not a 4090, which is truly the next step up from a 9070xt. So...yeah.

And ofc 100 is the score where most games will keep 60 at 1080pRT. Which, ofc, 9070 xt can/does and 4080/5070ti can't and don't; varying by game which. Weird. Except not, bc nVIDIA. This is what they do.

blinnbanirAt the bottom in mind share. I have only been here for a few but it seems there is a heavy anti AMD thought process in some people. Even your comment about being at the bottom makes no sense given the title of this thread. I guess what I am saying is the continued anti AMD argument is beginning to sound a little ridiculous. The 7000 series did sell out but within a month they were readily available. Even in the World of inflated prices the 9070XT was sold with the performance of 7900 for 7700XT prices. Obviously the market has responded positively. I guess the RT argument will move to PT now too. It is also up to AIBs to charge what they will.

^^^ This guy gets it (and I don't know why it struck out that quote; won't let me fix it).
I mean, I wouldn't say the 7900 for 7700 thing, but it is a typical 1440p AMD card selling for a proposed price of a typical 1440p AMD card (generally ~$500-600) compared to a typical more expensive nVIDIA card.
It's not new, it's just now people care because of the matched RT/FSR perf. Again, until they don't, and then AMD will take their typical prices. The PT thing is funny, bc I suspect that exact thing will be attempted.
I can only tell you if you didn't make people aware (as you are), more would fall for it. For I have seen it happen. It is very sad. They watch too much YT and don't actually understand what Youtubers jobs entail.

INSTG8RI mean the card is a “hit” as far as price/performance. If I didn’t have an XTX and didn’t require pure raster I’d be all over it. I’m 99% VR the 9000s can’t fit my requirements.

I hear that, and am with you (but 1440pRT/4k raster).
The battle for that card will be next gen and cheaper then we would've gotten this gen anyhow, which just have been a slightly discounted 4090, so at least there's that. This gen it would've ~$1200.
I could imagine AMD shooting for as low as a $800. I could imagine nVIDIA very much attempting at least $1000 if not shooting for $1200 still. Again, bc nVIDIA. You may notice a theme.

Hecate91Nvidia essentially got a free pass for the "5070 as fast as a 4090" claim.
The 9070XT is like the 7900XTX but $400 less with better RT and upscaling, I would consider that a win.

What free pass? I literally love to use little tiny font so I'll go ahead and quote JH's bullshit right here so I can: "5070 is a 4090...using the power of AI.". Can't run 1440p raster or 1080pRT well bc too little ram though.
If they really didn't try to sell that 1080pFG up-scaling to 4k as good-enough. Not just 5070 but also on the "$1000" 5080. That is quite an amazing feat for a new "$1000" card to suck so much it has to do that.
And a $550 card w/ 12GB and less than 40TF in 2025. They really tried to sell that piece of shit. They did in-fact fail quite miserably to every damn reviewer on this planet that's name isn't W1zzard, but they tried.

It truly isn't better raytracing (if you overclock a 7900xtx), but it is better up-scaling. A 7900xtx with FSR4 *might* be a technically better card, but not by much, and both have different general use-cases.
Clearly AMD expected a different ratio of RT than what ended up being implemented by nVIDIA's literal human support staff and/or stack of money paid to game developers. They re-balanced for this card.
So ~7900xtx RT became a 1440p raster card. But you gave up that raster and ram for 4k. So I wouldn't directly compare them unless you could upscale 1080pRT on a 7900xtx and have it not look like crap.
On the same token, I wouldn't necessarily recommend a 9070 xt for 4k w/o people understanding a whole bunch of caveats. That's what guy in the above quote is talking about, and he's right.

Wonder if Lisa Su is rethinking the cancellation of a "9080XT"? Looks like this architecture has hit a sweet spot.

TriCyclopsWonder if Lisa Su is rethinking the cancellation of a "9080XT"? Looks like this architecture has hit a sweet spot.

If she is, she wont be making one unless AI demand slows don. For a chip that big the juicy AI margins are too big to ignore.

One can hope though. A 6144 core 9080xt would be sweet.

TriCyclopsWonder if Lisa Su is rethinking the cancellation of a "9080XT"? Looks like this architecture has hit a sweet spot.

You can't cancel something that never existed, champ.