Sunday, October 30th 2011
Are Improving Integrated Graphics Slowly Killing Off Discrete Graphics Cards?
Intel started the trend of improving integrated graphics with their second generation LGA1155 socket Core i3, i5 & i7 line of processors. Depending on the model, these processors sport integrated HD2000 or HD3000 graphics right on the processor die, which nowadays give acceptable performance for low-end gaming and can play Full HD 1080p video perfectly. This trend is increasing with the upcoming Ivy Bridge processors, which will be able to support a massive 4096 x 4096 pixel display, as we reported here. AMD now also have equivalent products with their Llano-based A-series processors. So, where does this leave discrete graphics cards? Well, the low end market is certainly seeing reduced sales, as there really isn't enough of a performance difference nowadays to always warrant an upgrade from an IGP. As integrated graphics improve further, one can see how this will hurt sales of higher end graphics cards too. The problem is that the bulk of the profit comes not from the top-end powerhouse graphics cards, but from the low to mid-end cards which allow these companies to remain in business, so cannibalizing sales of these products to integrated graphics could make high-end graphics cards a much more niche product and crucially, much more expensive with to boot.
Hence, it's not surprising to see that Digitimes are reporting that while NVIDIA are about to produce the next generation Kepler-based GPU's on TSMC's 28nm process and AMD have already started production of their Southern Islands-based GPU's, the graphics card manufacturers are cautious about jumping in head first with cards based on these new products. Taiwan-based card makers are watching the market before making decisions, according to Digitimes' industry sources:
What's interesting, is that as AMD are now a combined CPU & GPU company, they know full well that their IGP solutions eat into sales of their own discreet low to mid-end graphics cards. It will be worth watching AMD's strategy for dealing with this problem, closely.
Hence, it's not surprising to see that Digitimes are reporting that while NVIDIA are about to produce the next generation Kepler-based GPU's on TSMC's 28nm process and AMD have already started production of their Southern Islands-based GPU's, the graphics card manufacturers are cautious about jumping in head first with cards based on these new products. Taiwan-based card makers are watching the market before making decisions, according to Digitimes' industry sources:
Compared to the makers' eagerness for the previous-generation GPUs, graphics card makers are rather conservative about the upcoming 28nm chips due to concerns such as TSMC's weak 40nm process yield rate issues may re-occur in its 28nm process and weakening demand for graphics cards and lower-than-expected gross margins.The poor 28nm yield rate isn't helping either:
Although previous rumors have indicated that TSMC's poor 28nm process yield rate could affect Nvidia's launch of its 28nm GPUs on schedule at the end of 2011, as TSMC already announced its 28nm process has entered mass production, Nvidia's new Kepler GPUs are expected to be announced in December.All this of course, is bad news for PC enthusiasts, who are always looking to upgrade their PCs with the latest technology so that they can run power-intensive tasks on them, such as 3D gaming and distributed projects such as Folding@Home. On the plus side, a top-end card like a GTX 580 or HD 6970 will not be integrated into an IGP any time soon, because of the sheer power, heat and die size requirements, so there is still hope that affordable high-end cards will remain available.
What's interesting, is that as AMD are now a combined CPU & GPU company, they know full well that their IGP solutions eat into sales of their own discreet low to mid-end graphics cards. It will be worth watching AMD's strategy for dealing with this problem, closely.
79 Comments on Are Improving Integrated Graphics Slowly Killing Off Discrete Graphics Cards?
HD6850 with 1GB vram at a minimum on chip with the cpu (with a die shrink of course) and provide a multi socket platform so ppl could do crossfire with their cpu's.
Integrated cpu graphics will probably take over the low end gpu market; there would be no reason for NV and AMD to crank out the analogues of anything lower than 560/6870, in future discreet gpu lines, if iGPGPUs develop as expected. I suggest that we expect the average price of discreet GPUs to increase.
Nvidia has its Tegra line of ARM processors where it can put its lower end GPU tech.
AMD has its APUs where lower end graphics work great.
Intel is improving its integrated graphics at a steady pace.
Discreet cards, at the low to low mid end, will disappear.
edit: a better way to put it, no enthusiast level part will be affected by an all-in-one solution that can't be upgraded without replacing the whole unit.
And believe me, I have to write in the general sense in the news articles, but when I say "All this of course, is bad news for PC enthusiasts", I'm firmly including myself in this group. Can you imagine all PCs being reduced to the upgradeability and tweakability of an iPad? What horror! :eek:
And no, before I get flamed, I don't think it will get this bad. ;)
You're being ripped off and most of you don't realize it.
I remember when I posted some benchmarks on here some time back showing 30-40% losses in framerates when going from XP to Vista or 7, how I got flamed for it by all those in denial. I can never understand why ordinary people like you and me, defend the big corps who are screwing us all, over the messenger that highlights these problems. :shadedshu
IGP will surpass discrete when and only when...IGPs can play modern current titles at high detail right out of the box. This means for AMD, pair your APUs with high mid range GPUs minimum. Then for Intel this means...just give up, you'll never be able to produce GPUs of this caliber. You are a good CPU maker but you lack the ability to make GPUs.
Intel only gains from having better IGPs.
Since Nvidia does not have cpu's they are the losers here on the lowend market.
Let me help you by starting by reminding you that the sentiment doesn't come from me, but Digitimes which I linked to and the industry.