ShockGbut how do you know that either?
Maybe you have some insider info that you can share.

Well there was a legit leak that showed non OC'ed 390X scoring X8100 and same by gpu score, so this TitanX doesnt look anything special compared to it.


At max OC 1220mhz it scored 8600 gpu score, so AMD will do better..


Imho this TitanX is a ripoff if its gonna cost more then 700$ since its missing proper FP64 like by GK110 Titans, that extra vram buffer is not worth extra money.

TheHunterWell there was a legit leak that showed non OC'ed 390X scoring X8100 and same by gpu score, so this TitanX doesnt look anything special compared to it.

A leak from months back for a card not out till June versus a leak for a card to be announced formally in a couple of weeks. Hmm, first rule of tech leaks - don't trust tech leaks.

Fact is, GTX 980 is outperforming the aging 290X quite happily. Because of that, Nvidia has no reason to release a cheap Titan X. If you want a current gen great fast card, buy a GTX 980. I don't think Titan X will come in at any reasonable price point because it has no need too. It can be released and when the 390X comes out, Nvidia can dump prices as much as it wants too.
Nvidia can seriously hamper 390X sales by just cutting price on 980 inventories and move Titan X to the 390X price point. It's unlikely 390X will be cheap - it's pioneering a new technology - it can't afford to be cheap. AMD aren't here to be nice to consumers, they're here to make a profit for the shareholders, something they've been a bit poor at recently.
If 390X is as good as people hope, it'll come in expensive. This is business, not charity.

Please, remember the 7970 launch price was £450 - £600 (which allowed Nvidia to cruise it along on the 680).

I'm not super impressed nor surprised, but maybe that's just me.

I get it, some people really, really, want to run 4k max settings right now, and perhaps a multiple of this will do it just fine. The rest of us will wait for more reasonable 14nm/16nm parts with 8GB of ram and (likely) typical high-end card (R390/980ti-like?) prices.

That said, I really don't think any conclusions can be drawn on practicality until we know how '980ti' and 390x clock, as well as how the mem bandwidth vs larger buffer effect general performance at higher resolutions. That's pretty much completely unknown. Sure, this might be able to (barely) sustain 60fps/1440p max settings in most games stock, but can the cheaper alternatives do it overclocked? Which (R390x/980ti) will fare better? My gut says it's possible and probably '980ti (which I think will be slightly more expensive)', rendering this (for many people) moot because the tangible performance difference at playable settings will be negligible...but who knows.

*Note about 3dmark scores: They very much are swayed by amd's stronger compute performance. While that well and truly is a practical advantage in some cases, it is fundamentally generally unbalanced to core architecture efficiency. 3072 (+768sfus) at similar clocks should often perform just as well, if not better in a similar power envelope (not accounting for memory type and amount) offset to a higher clock if AMD stuck to 64 ROPs. This is one of those reasons I wish AMD would do something radical like 22CUs/24ROPs (scaled) on 14/16nm. While they'd lose the compute advantage, it would surely be efficient (generally), while perhaps better meshing with generally power-efficient clock potential of the processes within the set tdp parameters.

the54thvoidA leak from months back for a card not out till June versus a leak for a card to be announced formally in a couple of weeks. Hmm, first rule of tech leaks - don't trust tech leaks.

Again with the bullshit and nonsense. Titan X exists as a card for many many months.

Titan X will never be around 500$ as 390X will most likely be.

It is only you to be bullied by nvidia who don't wanna give you top performance as soon as possible.

the54thvoidA leak from months back for a card not out till June versus a leak for a card to be announced formally in a couple of weeks. Hmm, first rule of tech leaks - don't trust tech leaks.

390X eng sample is out since december 2014, just like TitanX aka GM200..

Early 390X has proven to be faked, but 2nd leak with X8192 was legit.

Sony Xperia SAgain with the bullshit and nonsense. Titan X exists as a card for many many months.

Quite a touchy little monster, aren't you? Never mind little one, truths don't seem to matter to you. Point is, 390X is not out till June, so leaks from Dec don't count for much. The Titan X leak is recent, after a formal announcement of said card. And FTR (or those that can't read), I clearly said:

Hmm, first rule of tech leaks - don't trust tech leaks

That applies to Nvidia as much as AMD.

Sony Xperia STitan X will never be around 500$ as 390X will most likely be.

Again, try reading. I said:

I don't think Titan X will come in at any reasonable price point

Sony Xperia SIt is only you to be bullied by nvidia who don't wanna give you top performance as soon as possible.

I don't get bullied by companies. And by your argument, the 390X has been out for as long as GM200 (according to the early leaks) and AMD themselves tweeting a few more tweaks are all that is required, yet they make YOU wait till June (so they can clear inventories). If anyone is being bullied, my dear techy, it is loyal AMD buyers, being forced to hold out even longer for their new card. And yet you say Nvidia don't want to give top performance yet following 290X they release GTX 780ti, GTX 980 and now to follow, Titan X. Three cards all released when the 780ti was arguably enough.

And not that I need to justify anything to you, I would happily buy AMD. So the ultra defensive posturing from you is completely unnecessary.

bogamiDouble precision for gameplayer has no meaning just crazy will charge this excess RAM 12 GB. Typically, seen and an undesirable.:mad: Because those who would need it can afford quadro series.

The Titan series are not primarily intended for gamers, but rather "semi-pro" users who do CAD, modelling, editing and development. There are lots of people who do such things as freelancers and also wants an awsome gaming machine. Companies can of course afford Quadro, but Quadro can be a bit pricy for semi-pro users. So for some of us Titan is something we've wanted for years.

efikkanThe Titan series are not primarily intended for gamers, but rather "semi-pro" users who do CAD, modelling, editing and development. There are lots of people who do such things as freelancers and also wants an awsome gaming machine. Companies can of course afford Quadro, but Quadro can be a bit pricy for semi-pro users. So for some of us Titan is something we've wanted for years.

This is why it'll not be cheap. I suppose the 12Gb memory is still useful for 3D work and modelling, even though the DP is down from Kepler.

If it's priced as rumoured though it'll be a hard sell when Titan Z's came down to £1000 (from £2500).

the54thvoidThis is why it'll not be cheap. I suppose the 12Gb memory is still useful for 3D work and modelling, even though the DP is down from Kepler.

If it's priced as rumoured though it'll be a hard sell when Titan Z's came down to £1000 (from £2500).

Titan Z will run out of stock soon. 1xGM200 will also be preferable over 2xGK110 in terms of heat an scalability in software.
Side note: GTX 780Ti also dropped in price beforce GTX 980 was launched...

the54thvoidThis is why it'll not be cheap. I suppose the 12Gb memory is still useful for 3D work and modelling, even though the DP is down from Kepler.

If it's priced as rumoured though it'll be a hard sell when Titan Z's came down to £1000 (from £2500).

I'm not sure what the availability is like in the UK but the supply of Titan Zs has pretty much dried up here in the USA. It's a good time to release the Titan X and for people that really need it Nvidia can charge a premium. I want the Big Maxwell counterpart to the Big Kepler GTX 780Ti. I don't need anything like 12 GB VRAM at 1440p. 6 GB will be fine for me.

Sony Xperia STitan X will never be around 500$ as 390X will most likely be.

If 390x is as big of a gpu as it seems like its gonna be, AMD can't reasonable sell it for that price without the going outta bushiness cause they go bankrupt. they are in a bad way money wise the will have to make money on the card. 700$ sounds like would have to be given gpu size for all those cores and ram controllers.

on the one page linked, only 4gb ram for the card? yea 4k people will want to go with titan Z even at higher price cause 12gb ram for gaming buffer.

I do not see the point in people complaining about the price of NVIDIA cards. If you do not have enough money or salary to buy a Nissan GT-R then why complain about its expensive price? Unless it is really that good and you really want it very bad? Why not go for an old Datsun or a cheaper Daihatsu or buy a bicycle instead? Is it really necessary for people to be angry and start insulting the landlord if some apartments in central Tokyo he sells are very expensive? If people cannot afford to pay the price then I believe they should move on. Obviously that product is not made for them and they do not deserve it either. Let people with money buy and get it. Why the anger? The hatred? The frustration? I really cannot see the point of complaining. Either find something suitable to your salary or get a better job and work harder. Do not have money, do not buy it, do not complain about it. Is it a very difficult thing to do?

It is like a scene in a hardware store in Akihabara a few days ago.

Man: 「Damn! This is very expensive! Such a greedy person!」
Clerk: 「Sir, we have already told you, this is a high end hardware. It is not made for commoners.」
Man: 「But why is it very expensive!? It is just a quad-core processor!! This octa-core processor is going to be released and it is going to be much cheaper and better.」
Clerk: 「Sir, can I ask you a few questions?」
Man: 「Yes.」
Clerk: 「Are you waiting for that octa-core processor you mention?」
Man: 「Yes.」
Clerk: 「Are you going to buy it?」
Man: 「Definitely!! It is going to be a faster processor than this one! I am longing for one!」
Clerk: 「Do you want to buy this processor we are selling right now?」
Man: 「No! Definitely not!」
Clerk: 「Honestly, do you have enough money to buy this processor?」
Man: 「Eee, no... Even if I had, I still do not think it is a good purchase.」
Clerk: 「Then why are you still here? Please step aside, Sir. You are blocking our line of customers. Please come again if you have enough money and decide to buy something from us.」

the54thvoidI would happily buy AMD.

Then instead of promising, just go and buy! AMD cards have always shown greater computing capabilities.

NightOfChristIf you do not have enough money or salary to buy a Nissan GT-R then why complain about its expensive price?

Very simply because I will have the money to buy an AUDI or Alfa Romeo for 50% less money and will drive at least with the same speed.

Still no non-reference edition of Titan x, hah?

Sony Xperia SVery simply because I will have the money to buy an AUDI or Alfa Romeo for 50% less money and will drive at least with the same speed.

I would buy a corvette stingray, half price of a Nissan GT-R and will be just as fun.

Sony Xperia SThen instead of promising, just go and buy! AMD cards have always shown greater computing capabilities.

Not yet :D

Two 780ti classified's under water need far better (even than 980's) to move me to upgrade. I'll hopefully sit it out until June and see how the 390X fares. I'll certainly not buy a Titan X unless it's unexpectedly cheap (0.00001% chance of that).

Though if the Witcher Wild Hunt needs >4Gb memory...... what to do!!

the54thvoidThis is why it'll not be cheap. I suppose the 12Gb memory is still useful for 3D work and modelling, even though the DP is down from Kepler.

If it's priced as rumoured though it'll be a hard sell when Titan Z's came down to £1000 (from £2500).

There is a reason why the Tesla's stayed Kepler.
That said, calling it a titan without the DP is disingenuous... this is a 980Ti ...
Unless it actually does have the DP capabilities. We don't have enough details at this point.

NightOfChristI do not see the point in people complaining about the price of NVIDIA cards. If you do not have enough money or salary to buy a Nissan GT-R then why complain about its expensive price? Unless it is really that good and you really want it very bad? Why not go for an old Datsun or a cheaper Daihatsu or buy a bicycle instead? Is it really necessary for people to be angry and start insulting the landlord if some apartments in central Tokyo he sells are very expensive? If people cannot afford to pay the price then I believe they should move on. Obviously that product is not made for them and they do not deserve it either. Let people with money buy and get it. Why the anger? The hatred? The frustration? I really cannot see the point of complaining. Either find something suitable to your salary or get a better job and work harder. Do not have money, do not buy it, do not complain about it. Is it a very difficult thing to do?

I said almost the exact same thing:

I can never figure out all the complaints from people about the price of these cards. Obviously Nvidia knows what its doing, that's why it has twice the market share that AMD does. The high price of cards like these benefits even those who aren't buying this card. It adds money for Nvidia to reinvest on a better performing next architecture, which means for those of us buying the GTX 760/960 or 770/970s, we'll probably see some of the technology passed down. It's the same thing as cars like the Ford GT or Nissan GT-R, can sit there and complain all day long about the price but the fact is, if you are complaining about the price of it you probably can't afford it even without the markup, so why complain or even care about the price? The point is it's a halo product designed to draw attention to the series and get high end buyers to come to the product line and pump money into it. Both Intel and Nvidia do this to AMD on CPU and GPU side, and I'm sure AMD is trying to figure out how it can do this as well.

Problem is, a lot of buyers are so self-centered its beyond reasoning. They think things that cost money and time to develop should be given to them at whatever they can afford just because they want it and haven't come to grips with the way the world works.

Honestly, if people don't like the way Nvidia runs its business, then they should just ignore it and move on with their life. I don't care for the way Apple runs its business but as far as I'm concerned, it's their own customers that get screwed and I'm more than happy with that. Are people who buy the Titan X getting screwed? Maybe.........but if they have the money to afford it they probably don't care, in which case they aren't really getting screwed. I guess the laws of Supply and Demand don't ring a bell with people.....

raschmidtI guess the laws of Supply and Demand don't ring a bell with people.....

I hear about these "laws" for the first time. Are you sure that nvidia follows any written laws known outside of their own headquarters? :D

What laws did they violate? So they wrote 4GB when it should have been 3.5GB? Dear god that's worse than the holocaust, they should all be sent to ISIS headquarters and beheaded immediately.

ShockGbut how do you know that either?
Maybe you have some insider info that you can share.

He "knows" because he's just a fanboy.

raschmidtWhat laws did they violate?

It was just a joke.

What I mean is that if there is demand for Kepler Titans but because of profits interest or some political, nvidia hides the inventory (or not produce enough), then they actually 'violate' these "laws".

NightOfChristMan: 「Damn! This is very expensive! Such a greedy person!」
Clerk: 「Sir, we have already told you, this is a high end hardware. It is not made for commoners.」
Man: 「But why is it very expensive!? It is just a quad-core processor!! This octa-core processor is going to be released and it is going to be much cheaper and better.」
Clerk: 「Sir, can I ask you a few questions?」
Man: 「Yes.」
Clerk: 「Are you waiting for that octa-core processor you mentioned?」
Man: 「Yes.」
Clerk: 「Are you going to buy it?」
Man: 「Definitely! It is going to be a faster processor than this one! I am longing for one!」
Clerk: 「Do you want to buy this processor we are selling right now?」
Man: 「No! Definitely not!」
Clerk: 「Honestly, do you have enough money to buy this processor?」
Man: 「Even if I had, I still do not think it is a good purchase.」
Clerk: 「Then why are you still here? Please step aside, sir. You are blocking our line of customers. Please come again if you have enough money and decide to buy something from us.」

This^.

But you have to admit. After a hard day at work, discussions of these kinds make for cheap entertainment.

Sony Xperia SFanboyism is always better than smoking some weird weed as you did.

I just follow all news headlines which point exactly to what I am saying.

You must also believe everything you read on the internet too.

blanarahulThis^.

But you have to admit. After a hard day at work, discussions of these kinds make for cheap entertainment.

.....i'd like to hope that 80% of this is just nvidia and amd fans just poking each other.......cause if it ain't .....mankind need much more prayer than I thought. I mean how dare anyone use their hard earned money to to buy what they want instead of what i think is better.....how dare they. Maybe if i posted the definition of a halo product.....