Tuesday, March 28th 2017
AMD 16-core Ryzen a Multi-Chip Module of two "Summit Ridge" Dies
With core performance back to competitiveness, AMD is preparing to take on Intel in the HEDT "high-end desktop" segment with a new line of processors that are larger than its current socket AM4 "Summit Ridge," desktop processors, but smaller in core-count than its 32-core "Naples" enterprise processors. These could include 12-core and 16-core parts, and the picture is getting clearer with an exclusive report by Turkish tech publication DonanimHaber. The biggest revelation here that the 12-core and 16-core Ryzen processors will be multi-chip modules (MCMs) of two "Summit Ridge" dies. The 12-core variant will be carved out by disabling 1 core per CCX (3+3+3+3).
Another revelation is that the 12-core and 16-core Ryzen processors will be built in a new LGA package with pin-counts in excess of 4,000 pins. Since it's an MCM of two "Summit Ridge" dies, the memory bus width and PCIe lanes will be doubled. The chip will feature a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface, and will have a total of 58 PCI-Express gen 3.0 lanes (only one of the two dies will put out the PCI-Express 3.0 x4 A-Link chipset bus). The increase in core count isn't coming with a decrease in clock speeds. The 12-core variant will hence likely have its TDP rated at 140W, and the 16-core variant at 180W. AMD is expected to unveil these chips at the 2017 Computex expo in Taipei, this June, with product launches following shortly after.
Source:
DonanimHaber (YouTube)
Another revelation is that the 12-core and 16-core Ryzen processors will be built in a new LGA package with pin-counts in excess of 4,000 pins. Since it's an MCM of two "Summit Ridge" dies, the memory bus width and PCIe lanes will be doubled. The chip will feature a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface, and will have a total of 58 PCI-Express gen 3.0 lanes (only one of the two dies will put out the PCI-Express 3.0 x4 A-Link chipset bus). The increase in core count isn't coming with a decrease in clock speeds. The 12-core variant will hence likely have its TDP rated at 140W, and the 16-core variant at 180W. AMD is expected to unveil these chips at the 2017 Computex expo in Taipei, this June, with product launches following shortly after.
62 Comments on AMD 16-core Ryzen a Multi-Chip Module of two "Summit Ridge" Dies
Also, I'm not sure whether you realize it, but in the bolded part you've used the present tense in the first two sentences and the future (?) tense in the last one. 4 cores will have no hope when that happens, but that certainly is not today.
But I look forward to seeing how they handle saturation and what effect it has on stability and latency on die.
Furthermore I think people keep forgetting that the 6 and 4-core models launch in a couple weeks. If you are making a budget 1080p build, you would be an idiot to get a $300 i7 instead of a $150 R5. That extra $150 is the difference between a high end and a midrange graphics card.
It's not like Ryzen can't do 60 FPS either lol.
P.S. If you get fast ram Ryzen meets or beats the 7700K anyways...
Don't get me wrong, I recommend 4K Freesync IPS to everyone, but at the same time that's only really because they don't cost much more than lower-spec monitors. You spend twice as much as 1080p to have vastly better color and contrast qualities, in addition to having the option of running 4K in games that are easy enough to run.
But the fact is that even the $700 1080 Ti isn't running all games at 60 FPS in 4K, and if you want 144Hz+ gaming - 1080p is still the only real option imo. (Don't make me laugh at 1440p @ 144Hz, it's harder to run than 4K @ 60).
How is running 1440P @ 144Hz harder than 4K at 60Hz? 4K is more than twice the resolution of 1440P...
I do think its much better in general to have higher screen resolution even if you don't max out the resolution in games. It is always nice to have apps, text, photos and everything on your system so clear and sharp.
16 cores means more porn tabs woo hoo.
Way ahead of you buddy
Nvidia abandoned multi-gpu and AMD embraced it. In the future, AMD will be releasing Vega GPUs in similar configurations as they are talking about with Ryzen. I mean, multi chip Vega and Polaris packages. Their GPU strategy for defeating Nvidia will be similar to what they did to Intel with Ryzen. Super fast core and alot of them, combined with the 14nm Samsung process, which allows AMD to run relatively high voltages through their chips due to the different way Samsung does 14nm as opposed to Intel. As Intel wastes their time trying to get more performance out of 10nm, Samsung figured out how to efficiently run more voltage through 14nm without the bad thermal performance exhibited by the simpler 14nm manufacturing process used on Kaby Lake.
I'm also expecting more support for water-cooling from AMD. I'm thinking AMD designed water blocks backed by manufacturer warranties, maybe partnering up with PC builders to sell pre-built workstations with quad-GPU configs, full liquid-cooling loop, backed by AMD warrantee, supported by the vendor. Something like that.
Your eyes can see 300+PPI at 2 feet and 700+ at 1 foot. Plus AA still makes it smoother.all depends on what you want to do.
2. And avaliable money.
Seen it happen.
I don't support either as a "Better" solution, they both have their issues, both are equally flawed.
By the way, use Linux and chrome for porn duties.
Linux exhibits better security and Chrome runs a lot better on more cores for better porn experience.
And NO 200 PPI is not that bad at all if you carefully pick a good monitor (ofc the more ppi the better) you still can see the pixels but it is way better than 1080p.
4k-5k without AA is way better than 1080p with 8x MSAA or even 4xSSAA . When you apply a 4x SSAA your GPU will render stuff at 4 times the pixel density and down scale it to 1080p.
And if you are using a 4k screen without AA the load on the GPU will be similar or close to that of a 4xSS on 1080p. For an extremely thin lines or edges if your GPU can handle it you may apply something like CMAA it will do the job without adding too much load.
Stop trying to save face.
This gmae does really well without AA but still 2x makes a good difference
www.extremetech.com/gaming/180402-five-things-to-know-about-4k-gaming-were-glitching-our-way-to-gaming-nirvana/3
I play mostly older games and AA makes a world of a difference. I think newer games have done better at not needing AA as much.
And those pictures tell us squat. Of course you're going to see jaggies when you look at a 4k screenshot on a FHD monitor (you're actually zooming in). The question is: are those jaggies visible when the pixel is physically 4x smaller?
Edit: And back on topic, these 16 core chips sound awesome! :D The 8 core summit ridge is already running rings around my 6700k @ 4.7ghz.