Thursday, May 4th 2017
Temperature Spikes Reported on Intel's Core i7-7700, i7-7700K Processors
Reports around the web (and posts on Intel's forums) speak in hushed, strained and horrified voices at how some users with Intel's Core i7-7700 processors are seeing strangely random temperature spikes on their processors, which prompts their cooling solutions to spin to the rescue. The report only mentions Intel's 7700 (non-K) processor; though it would seem this issue is more prone to happen with the K version of the processor, according to Intel's forums.
Apparently, some users are seeing temperature spikes that reach as high as as high as 90°C (out of a recommended 100ºC.) Some users even go as far as admitting to have replaced Intel's fabled TIM, and running the CPU under a water cooling solution, only to find those temperature spikes still happening - and their cooling solutions rev up in response. "My own chip suffers from it, (without any overclocking) which is quite an annoyance," a user wrote. "This despite a delid modification and a proper water loop, resulting in the fans ramping up and down very frequently, and the temperature appearing to frequently spike near the danger zone." Intel, naturally, deployed a sanitized response, saying that "the reported behavior of the 7th Generation Intel Core i7-7700K Processor, showing momentary temperature changes from the idle temperature, is normal while completing a task (like opening a browser or an application or a program)." Business talk all the way, but to be honest, we don't even know if there is a real problem here, though there are so pretty interesting OCCT graphs being posted on the forum page. What do you say? Any of our users have seen similar issues?
Sources:
Communities @ Intel, The Register
Apparently, some users are seeing temperature spikes that reach as high as as high as 90°C (out of a recommended 100ºC.) Some users even go as far as admitting to have replaced Intel's fabled TIM, and running the CPU under a water cooling solution, only to find those temperature spikes still happening - and their cooling solutions rev up in response. "My own chip suffers from it, (without any overclocking) which is quite an annoyance," a user wrote. "This despite a delid modification and a proper water loop, resulting in the fans ramping up and down very frequently, and the temperature appearing to frequently spike near the danger zone." Intel, naturally, deployed a sanitized response, saying that "the reported behavior of the 7th Generation Intel Core i7-7700K Processor, showing momentary temperature changes from the idle temperature, is normal while completing a task (like opening a browser or an application or a program)." Business talk all the way, but to be honest, we don't even know if there is a real problem here, though there are so pretty interesting OCCT graphs being posted on the forum page. What do you say? Any of our users have seen similar issues?
138 Comments on Temperature Spikes Reported on Intel's Core i7-7700, i7-7700K Processors
You can buy a new Porsche and race it down the street and your warranty is still good. But if you modify the engine then race it, you are on your own.
What if I told you making posts for the sole purpose of criticizing others is stupid because it just degrades threads and contributes nothing for the OP?
He's dropped that meme on others before... don't feel singled out. :love:
(unsubscribed so I don't have to hear a repeated explanation...note)
For the record, I have seen the anti-car comment before - but it didn't apply then as it didn't apply now. Analogies have been used for centuries because they work. Most people are familiar with cars. And using cars would be better than saying replacing the trigger kit on a G17 with an aftermarket kit voids the warranty too. People also seem to forget that not everyone reading and following these threads are advanced users.
Not only has Intel been given a whammy by AMD but they also managed to shoot themselves in the foot. Good going Intel. :laugh: Now all they need to do is bring out the RPG to shoot their foot clean off and we'll all have fun.
That said, not sure AMD did much here as the Ryzens have not yet proven themselves to be the king of the hill - yet. Intel still has the much deeper pockets and resources. And they sure don't want to get spanked by AMD as happened in the past when it took almost 8 years to recover. So don't count Intel down for the count yet.
I have noticed fan throttling up and down quickly but I'm not sure I can rule out Asus bugs at this point. I have been having fan problems on my z270h, Asus software doesn't work and overrides its own bios fan control and sets the case fans at 100%. Really annoying, but uninstalling AI Suite fixed it and bios qfan works again. It's the latest bios, 906 I think.
AMD doesn't have (probably over) 8 years of optimization for EVERYTHING.
There's a lot more in the tank, but getting the bums to do it is going to be painful.
They even quoted some reviewers that had had the same issue at that time so not sure why it's news now if it was already starting on launch of the chip then there must have been a batch or something that has some issue involved either still ongoing or the batch is showing up with complaints more often now.
Would like to know if there was a combination of M/B with the chips that are most prone to the spiking, or the batch numbers.........................................................OTOH others here had no issues and still don't
Intel has never really supported overclocking or helped with it. Sure, they unlocked a few cpus, but, they dont support it. For a price you can still warranty it.
Think of it another way, does Honda support modifying thier engines? Or are 3rd parties doing it? (Yay more car analogies!). You get into a liabilty issue if you support running anythimg outsoie of its specifications. Makes sense, their stance. :)ha, lol, with respect, it was more because of your dry personality that tends to come across on here... :)
Don't make an example with cars if you don't know how to use those or when the example you give is simply not in the right place.
But car analogies suck... lol
As far as Intel, again, I understand, they allow it (with a K processor), but do not SUPPORT it. If they supported it, then they would be liable. Makes complete sense to me. I also see where people are coming from though... why would they allow it, but not support it?
Also a friend of mine shipped a Toyota (not sure about the model and it doesn't matter) from USA to Europe. Went to the Toyota dealer for a automatic gear fix (swap). The guys at Toyota said that this car doesn't exist in Europe and they can do nothing about it. He had to ship it back to US and fix it there. You can see that it does depend on the car and the market.
Back to the subject. with processors it is totally different All that is different about the CPU is that they can be shipped from a different region and have slightly different silicon. (Intel products from USA and other regions across the world) USA silicon was slightly better with thermals and OC potential even if it was same stepping and same processor. I hope that proves my point that car examples are not always in the right place comparing those to CPU's and the CPU's market.