AssimilatorShitty LEDs, shitty wired ethernet, AND shitty wireless ethernet? Truly this board has it all!

Man, I remember when motherboard manufacturers used to differentiate themselves from each other with useful, practical features.

AssimilatorShitty LEDs, shitty wired Ethernet, AND shitty wireless Ethernet? Truly this board has it all!

Man, I remember when motherboard manufacturers used to differentiate themselves from each other with useful, practical features.

uuuaaaaaaIf they are still using nikos on the cpu vrm I wouldn't even bother with this board.

lexluthermiesterOk, does everyone need to be so whiny? Seriously..

XajelIt has some interesting features,

2x M.2 slots
6x SATA Ports
Front USB 3.1g2 header + the usual back Type-C + Type-A
High Quality Audio codec + DAC + headphone amplifier.
RGB options (including headers) will be a plus as long as they can be turned off

cdawallWhy are people picky about what quality components go into one of the more expensive parts of their build? Gee I don't know maybe because they don't want to do it twice.

cdawallAnd for reference killer nics are garbage realtek parts and unless that changed they are still going to be garbage. The gold standard for nics is Intel.

lexluthermiesterIf it were a fly-by-night company that isn't well known for quality, there would plenty of room for concern. But MSI doesn't qualify in such a group. So really? Would you like cheese with your whine?

Out of curiousity, I googled your point. Found little more than a bunch of whiny special snowflakes making claims without any real evidence to back them up. Couple that with the fact that I've actually looked at the chips on the card and they look NOTHING like Realtek chips. Then there's the fact that I've actually benchmarked Killer devices VS others, including Intel, and Killer is at the top of the pack, beating Intel in many of them. So, yeah calling BS on that nonsense.

What seems to be going on here is a bunch of fanboys joining the crowd of whiny special snowflakes making mountains out of mole-hills. But hey, it's funny and amusing, carry on..

lexluthermiesterIf it were a fly-by-night company that isn't well known for quality, there would plenty of room for concern. But MSI doesn't qualify in such a group. So really? Would you like cheese with your whine?

lexluthermiesterI'm suddenly reminded of Apple's screen-rot problem. Samsung's Galaxy Note 7 battery problem, Nvidia's mobile Geforce GPU failure problem, Intel's common and ongoing errata problems, AMD's long string of problems in various area's of tech, the bad capacitor distribution that effected nearly every sector of the tech industry last decade and I can't help but remember the commonality of them all. Can you gentlemen guess what that commonality is? No? Let's help you out.

1. Most people over-react to problems they can't control.
2. Tech companies are run by people[you know, of the flawed human-being variety].
3. People make mistakes.
4. Companies, being run by people, sometimes make group mistakes.
5. Good companies LEARN from mistakes and failures.
6. As a direct result of that learned knowledge, said companies make better products.

AMD, Intel, Nvidia, etc., etc. all have in common the fact that they have made mistakes and have had failures.

Niko had, what every manufacturer has had, a brief bad run. The problem was fixed.

Oh and for the record, I took the heatsink off my personal Killer network card and guess what I didn't find underneath?
Could post reviews of benchmarks that show Killer Network cards beating out everything, including Intel, in network performance. And there's a ton of them. There's no need to do that for something that is common knowledge.

MSI is one of the most popular and well respected brands on the market. They, like every other popular brand, have worked hard to be what they are. Calling them "mediocre" is patently ignorant.

cdawallThose crappy mosfets have been on 4 generations of motherboards and have not improved. They are mediocre at best. Just because you apparently like MSI doesn't make their quality better. This isn't a single bad batch this isn't a once in a while thing. It is every board from the bottom of the barrel to their top tier.

lexluthermiesterI have no favoritism to MSI. However, they are a top-tier company for a reason. You seem to be nitpicking instead if looking the big picture.

cdawallThey actually aren't a top tier company. Reviews show that. They are a "large" company but they are about as top tier as buying a Kia.

lexluthermiesterThat's your opinion. It's isn't supported by general industry reviews. We could continue this back and forth. Instead let's agree to disagree.

cdawallSales would dictate best companies correct? Well msi isn't one of the top 3.

lexluthermiesterThat would be one metric. Quality of manufacturing, IE return/defective rate is another. Customer service and support is another. That list could keep going. MSI has maintained a very respectably low defect rate for an number of years now across all of their product lines. By way of qualification, I general lean towards other brands when making recommendations. Asrock for mobo's, Asus and Dell for laptops, etc, etc. However, MSI's line of video cards are very good and have I personally use one [GTX760-ITX] in my HTPC. Their Dragon and Titan series of laptops are some of the best built, if pricey, I've ever seen. And their customer service standards are very good. They may not be in the top three as far a total sales, but over-all metrics show they are a top tier company. Saying otherwise would be like saying that Dell or HP are not top tier system builders.

cdawallWell according to the stock market they are down in all metrics year of year. I don't know what you get there defect rate numbers from, but their laptops have one of the highest RMA rates in the industry ( I work in it). Dell and HP lead the industry in sales, MSI does not. MSI's RMA service is also far from the best, but having used to RMA one of my many 1080Ti's I can say it at least functions and contact was reasonably good. From the other side of the wall the contacts I have inside the company are as responsive as Dell/Lenovo/Asus if a smidgen slower.

lexluthermiesterI work in the industry as well. Used to work for Dell. But not interested in arguing a point that is blatantly obvious.