Monday, September 24th 2018

Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

Through the 1990s, Microsoft had become a super-corporation threatening to monopolize all of computing. A band of talented developers got together with lawyers that could fish out loopholes in proprietary licenses, and with some generosity from big software, Linux grew from a scrappy Unix-like OS kernel to the preeminent operating system for enterprises at first, and handheld consumer electronics later. Today it's most popular operating system on the planet. Like every big organization, the Linux Foundation is hit by employee-activism.

Employee-activism is the new unionism. Whereas trade-unions of the old fought for tangible bread-and-butter issues affecting blue-collar folk of the early Industrial era, today's employee-activist is an intellectual predator seeking to maximize their organizational footprint on the backs of other people echoing their political ideas, often through blatant insubordination and disregard for the chain of command. Survival of the fittest has changed to "survival of the loudest." From forcing Linus Torvalds to apologize for speaking his mind in public, to coming up with a new Code of Conduct document, social-justice activism within the Linux Foundation threatens to devolve the culture of meritocracy to a toxic "safe space" prioritizing inclusion of identity rather than skill, as HardOCP comments. A major blow-back from the meritocrats is taking shape.

In a major revision to the license, software developers contributing to the Linux kernel source-code will soon be able to withdraw their contribution, if they are ever cornered by the rest of the community over perceived code-of-conduct violation (i.e. not pandering to identity politics or speaking their minds like Torvalds does). This is big, as many of the older generations of contributors who have made critical contributions without with Linux cannot function, now have a legal recourse, and could reduce the amount of political activism within the community.

Since 2015, identity politicians have been trying to force the Linux Foundation to join the Contributor Covenant, a special Code-of-Conduct agreement that seeks to change the "the predominantly white, straight, and male face of programming." On September 16, the Foundation agreed to implement CC Code of Conduct. Shortly following that, groups of pro-CC developers went on a character-assassination spree of top Linux developers by amplifying and often distorting, their political views (which are irrelevant to the task of programming).
Sources: Lulz, HardOCP
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653 Comments on Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

#101
xorbe
People have figured out that politicians have social power, and they too can be part time politicians by being loud on the internet. In some ways, China is being smart with their internet, but that depends on the intentions of leadership.
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#102
StrayKAT
xorbePeople have figured out that politicians have social power, and they too can be part time politicians by being loud on the internet. In some ways, China is being smart with their internet, but that depends on the intentions of leadership.
I don't like China's censorship at all, but somehow, they're aware enough to laugh at what's happening the West. They don't even sound like communists. There's an insult popular around Chinese internet: 白左 . Bai Zhuo.. The "White Left". Kind of similar to "cuck" or SJW.

edit: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo

Speaking of which, I have my doubts that any Chinese or Japanese distros will comply with the CoC.
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#103
R-T-B
m0caFour pages of comments and forum warfare and not one person actually acknowledging that they've read the CoC... Internet can be fun place. Here it is folks (don't worry, it's actually shorter than some posts here :) ):

www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct.html

To me, that's just a long-winded way of saying to other people: "Don't be a dick." I honestly don't get the drama, and that goes for the editorial as well. You can relax, the women will stay in the kitchen (for the unitiated, that's troll bait).
Ford and I did. Not that it helped.
Good job, editorial poster, you've made me come out of my lurking closet. It only goes to show that drama sells :)
How I... wish you were wrong.
StrayKATSpeaking of which, I have my doubts that any Chinese or Japanese distros will comply with the CoC.
No distros have to. Heck nobody but the kernel.org kernel team has to.
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#104
HammerOn1024
Civility can go a long way: Also a thick skin. Bully by mob will only bring out the worst in the mob. I typically choose to leave and watch the mob implode at that point.
TheLostSwedeNothing worse than a sausage fest of upset, entitled, elitist nerds...

In as much as I appreciate the uncandid language from Torvalds, you can't go around cursing at people all the time, just because you disagree with how they do things.
I'm also not sure why these people are upset about the fact that he wants to clean his act up and along with it, the community as a whole.

Obviously, it shouldn't go as far as some comments on this topic is suggesting, that people get ousted because people gang up against someone they dislike for whatever reason.
The world in general needs to grow up, but even more so the people in the tech industry. Move the f out of your mama's basement and get a life outside of what you're doing on the interweb.
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#105
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
lynx29Maybe the government should spend the money on helping those under educated whites with job programs (that pay a decent wagenot that crap that makes people feel worthless) instead of giving it to the immigrants then? I guess the idea of the nation-state is dead until World War 3 breaks out and they call them up for duty. :D
We spend next to nothing on immigrants. Google Grenfell Tower to see how we treat them.
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#106
StrayKAT
R-T-BFord and I did. Not that it helped.



How I... wish you were wrong.



No distros have to. Heck nobody but the kernel.org kernel team has to.
Eventually it would play some factor, depending on kernel versions. None of them are using the newest post-COC one though.

But I could see China fork the kernel as a whole as well. Linus was one of the only people preventing the NSA having a say in his OS.

edit: P.S. Now that Linus is out of the way, if you think a bunch of purple haired agitators are the only ones trying to grab power, then I have a bridge to sell you.
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#107
Steevo
the54thvoidWe spend next to nothing on immigrants. Google Grenfell Tower to see how we treat them.
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36487781

Maybe they did it to themselves. Why work at making your home better if you can get together and decide to take someone else's.... I guess socialisim does work.

Shithole countries do exist, and all countries have shithole areas.
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#108
xkm1948
Over 100 replies and not a AMD versus Intel or RTG versus Nvidia topic? Must be a political one then. Good to see TPU also have a healthy doesage of political views.

My 2 cents is: learn to code beautifully or GTFO. I don’t give a flying wet **** about what you declare yourself to be. World does not run on feelings.
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#109
StrayKAT
Steevowww.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36487781

Maybe they did it to themselves. Why work at making your home better if you can get together and decide to take someone else's.... I guess socialisim does work.

Shithole countries do exist, and all countries have shithole areas.
Apparently Switzerland doesn't have ghettos.

I'm drawing a blank on any others.
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#110
Valantar
TheinsanegamerNPeople are using outrage culture (offensive, triggered, ece) to try and control other people and force them to fall in step with their political beliefs. These people are called SJWs.
Can you please explain how demanding equal treatment and respect compared to one's peers (and demanding systems with inherent bias to be reconfigured to remove this) is somehow forcing you to fall in step with their political beliefs? Isn't constructing and maintaining a biased system - such as one that gives straight white men preferential treatment (which there exists more than sufficient data to say exists in a plethora of fields) - also then forcing your political beliefs on others? Or are you claiming that our current social reality is somehow apolitical or politically neutral?
Steevowww.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36487781

Maybe they did it to themselves. Why work at making your home better if you can get together and decide to take someone else's.... I guess socialisim does work.

Shithole countries do exist, and all countries have shithole areas.
Ah, the classic "poverty is the fault of the poor people" argument. It's so convenient, as it entirely absolves everyone else of any responsibility to make society a better place. It's just too bad that there are overwhelming amounts of evidence to this being entirely untrue.
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#111
StrayKAT
I don't even know how "preferential" treatment would even work for open source. Almost all of it is remote and corresponding with email. Not entirely anonymous, but it's hardly dealing with some monolithic power structure.

That people even can be so cynical and have visions of dystopia tells me they are the ones with the problem. Especially when dealing with eggheads who don't care about much except a subset of a subset of an arcane operating system. What is it about the guy writing "e2fsprogs" that somehow reeks of the "white patriarchy"?
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#112
Ferrum Master
R-T-BBut please, do your research before spouting garbage.
I guess that's your garbage... I mean really if you think everything is fine, okay. Sleep under motorway bridge... sigh... you can spot the same sight in the north of Berlin, across all EU actually. Things do change. And media is really not the culprit here.

Btw sure Sweden has experience of Extradition of the Balts like in 1946, I am waiting for it. Seriously, you got hooked like a champ.
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#113
MrGenius
StrayKATI don't even know how "preferential" treatment would even work for open source. Almost all of it is remote and corresponding with email. Not entirely anonymous, but it's hardly dealing with some monolithic power structure.

That people even can be so cynical and have visions of dystopia tells me they are the ones with the problem. Especially when dealing with eggheads who don't care about much except a subset of a subset of an arcane operating system. What is it about the guy writing "e2fsprogs" that somehow reeks of the "white patriarchy"?
Word.

The whole SJW thing is just a fad. It's the modern equivalent of being a hippy. And just like the dipshit hippies, the dipshit SJWs aren't going to change the world either. At least not in the radical manner they intend to. The weeds will get pulled from their garden of ideals. And what's left will gradually be accepted, if it's worthwhile. Which is fine with me. It's the outright idiocy ideals, and flat out stupidity, that I personally have a problem with. And the lies, and fake claims of oppression, that isn't really happening. It's just a play for power. Exactly the opposite of what it's stated to be. They don't really strive for a middle ground of acceptance. It's an attempt at total domination. They don't really want to coexist. They want to rule uncontested. Which is fucking stupid. And IS NOT going to happen. They need to wise up and stop trying. We're not all like them. And we're not all going to be like them. Ever. End of story.
ValantarCan you please explain how demanding equal treatment and respect compared to one's peers (and demanding systems with inherent bias to be reconfigured to remove this) is somehow forcing you to fall in step with their political beliefs? Isn't constructing and maintaining a biased system - such as one that gives straight white men preferential treatment (which there exists more than sufficient data to say exists in a plethora of fields) - also then forcing your political beliefs on others? Or are you claiming that our current social reality is somehow apolitical or politically neutral?
How about you just stop making shit up. Please. It's getting very old. Very fast. Stop playing the victim and get on with your life. Accept responsibility for yourself. And stop blaming others for your problems. It's hella childish. To put it lightly...
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#114
Valantar
MrGeniusHow about you just stop making shit up. Please. It's getting very old. Very fast. Stop playing the victim and get on with your life. Accept responsibility for yourself. And stop blaming others for your problems. It's hella childish. To put it lightly...
Wow, that sounds exactly like what I'd want to reply to your paragraph above that. What, exactly, have I made up? What problems of mine have I mentioned here? Have I claimed to be a victim of discrimination?

That (gender, sexual orientation, racial, and other) discrimination and bias in the tech industry exists is an indisputable fact. Other than that, I can't think of any factual claims I've made. As I'm not a woman and don't work (or want to work) in tech, I don't quite see why any of the rest applies to me. Though I suppose I should thank you for making yourself look silly by resorting to ad hominem straw man arguments rather than addressing anything I said? It certainly doesn't help your case.
R0H1TIn all honesty a great purge is coming, but Linux isn't where the (first) major impact will be ~ it'll be the entire humanity! Things simply cannot go on the way they have over the last few decades, something has to give way.
You know, resorting to the language of genocide and war doesn't really make you come off as a reasonable person. Maybe tone down the rhetoric a few notches?
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#115
R0H1T
ValantarYou know, resorting to the language of genocide and war doesn't really make you come off as a reasonable person. Maybe tone down the rhetoric a few notches?
I'm hinting more towards civil war kind of a thing not WWIII, the fabric of our society depends on the basic principle of understanding ~ which is breaking down as we speak. The purge IMO would be the biggest change & possibly the most painful change ever, it doesn't have to be bloody but the powers that be will probably not relinquish their authority easily.

And I still maintain one thing, above all ~ the real war (like in GoT) isn't between the right or the left, it's between the insanely/greedily wealthy & power hungry vs the avg person whose life can change any time on the whims & fancies of the former.
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#116
hat
Enthusiast
Popcorn is getting stale guys...
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#117
Valantar
R0H1TI'm hinting more towards civil war kind of a thing, the fabric of our society depends on the basic pricinple of understanding ~ which is breaking down as we speak. The purge IMO would be the biggest change & possibly the most painful change ever, it doesn't have to be bloody but the powers that be will probably not reliquish their authority easily.

And I still maintain one thing, above all ~ the real war (like in GoT) isn't between the right or the left, it's between the insanely/greedily wealthy & power hungry vs the avg person who's life can change anytime on the whims & fancies of the former.
I entirely agree with the second paragraph there, though I don't believe in any kind of violent attempt at resolving inequality, as violent "solutions" always lead to the creation of new hierarchies to replace the old ones. The Russian revolution and the rapid decline of the Soviet Union from barely-attempted Socialism to outright fascism is a classic example of this. There are plenty of legal channels to enact this change, even if it will be slow.

As for the first, the main issue isn't that understanding is breaking down, but that for the first time in history it's easy for marginalized groups to express themselves while we've also built up a system of research and knowledge-gathering institutions who analyze our society freely rather than by the wishes or commands of those in power. From this, we suddenly have a multitude of conflicting interpretations of society and reality, and a privileged group that has thus far been the default to power (in the West: white men) who suddenly have their entire worldview fundamentally challenged by a host of opponents. When a lot of these people don't have nice, cushy lives (thanks, capitalism!) and thus don't see themselves as privileged (even though they are, just not in all ways, and it's of course possible to be both privileged and not at the same time in different fields), the "easiest" reaction is conflict and denial rather than understanding and dialogue. If everyone took a step back and attempted to listen to the experiences of others, this could be a relatively smooth transition. The problem is that some groups see the removal of privilege as an attack on them, when it's actually a leveling of the playing field.
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#118
StrayKAT
hatPopcorn is getting stale guys...
Well, you can entertain conspiracy theories like me. That's kind of entertaining? :P

Who has the most to gain from this? Which unlikely entity is somehow a top contributor of Linux code? Why are on they on the Linux Foundation? Who owns GitHub, where this CoC first flourished?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish


Microsoft once called Linux a "cancer". I think they might purposely be turning it into a cancer.. and fulfilling their own description.
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#119
Tsukiyomi91
basically it's a "How to lose your own job post in 5 minutes" shenanigans.
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#120
R-T-B
Ferrum MasterI guess that's your garbage... I mean really if you think everything is fine, okay. Sleep under motorway bridge... sigh... you can spot the same sight in the north of Berlin, across all EU actually. Things do change. And media is really not the culprit here.

Btw sure Sweden has experience of Extradition of the Balts like in 1946, I am waiting for it. Seriously, you got hooked like a champ.
Wrong quote, Ferrum Master. Leave me out of this.

Wow, didn't take long to get to "great purge" status I see... holy balls.

...

I leave now.
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#121
hat
Enthusiast
StrayKATWell, you can entertain conspiracy theories like me. That's kind of entertaining? :p

Who has the most to gain from this? Which unlikely entity is somehow a top contributor of Linux code? Why are on they on the Linux Foundation? Who owns GitHub, where this CoC first flourished?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish


Microsoft once called Linux a "cancer". I think they might purposely be turning it into a cancer.. and fulfilling their own description.
Nah, there's nothing entertaining about any of this. I doubt Microsoft can bring down Linux though, even if they are somehow throwing SJW people at them. What if Linus and (insert other people here) being targeted never stepped down, and basically ignored all this? I think the people that don't care what Linus/etc says/have said and just want to use some form of Linux far outweigh those who would swear off Linux because he didn't bend over for the SJW people, or because they found out he called somebody a retard or something.
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#122
Patriot
Linus got a pass because people who knew him also knew he didn't understand people in general. In interviews he talked about growing up and using his sister to translate the world for him... not sure if he falls on the autistic scale or sociopath scale... but the man truly doesn't get emotions...

Hard to find the earlier interviews... anything searched with linus torvalds and emotion gets the 2018 story.
Heck, even his wording this time shows you...
Linus apologized for his behavior, calling the personal attacks of the past "unprofessional and uncalled for" and announced a period of "time off" to "get some assistance on how to understand people’s emotions and respond appropriately".

He doesn't get people, and doesn't understand why they can't just handle a verbal beating. That's why he accepted the CoC... people he trusted told him to... doesn't mean he agrees or understands it.
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#123
Ferrum Master
R-T-BWrong quote, Ferrum Master. Leave me out of this.

Wow, didn't take long to get to "great purge" status I see... holy balls.

...

I leave now.
Sorry mate.
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#124
StrayKAT
PatriotLinus got a pass because people who knew him also knew he didn't understand people in general. In interviews he talked about growing up and using his sister to translate the world for him... not sure if he falls on the autistic scale or sociopath scale... but the man truly doesn't get emotions...

Hard to find the earlier interviews... anything searched with linus torvalds and emotion gets the 2018 story.
Heck, even his wording this time shows you...
Linus apologized for his behavior, calling the personal attacks of the past "unprofessional and uncalled for" and announced a period of "time off" to "get some assistance on how to understand people’s emotions and respond appropriately".

He doesn't get people, and doesn't understand why they can't just handle a verbal beating. That's why he accepted the CoC... people he trusted told him to... doesn't mean he agrees or understands it.
More conspiracy: Even his apology is weird. Parts of it have a mixture of unicode and ascii.. like it was edited by someone/somewhere else.

lwn.net/Articles/765087/
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#125
Valantar
R-T-BWow, didn't take long to get to "great purge" status I see... holy balls.
Sadly/disturbingly it's right there in the thread title, even. Not all that shocking given the tone of the initial editorial, but still...
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