Thursday, September 19th 2019
Intel "Cascade Lake-X" HEDT CPU Lineup Starts at 10-core, Core i9-10900X Geekbenched
With its 10th generation Core X "Cascade Lake-X" HEDT processor series, Intel will not bother designing models with single-digit core-counts. The series is likely to start at 10 cores with the Core i9-10900X. This 10-core/20-thread processor features a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface, and comes with clock speeds of 3.70 GHz base, a 200 MHz speed-bump over the Core i9-9900X. The chip retains the mesh interconnect design and cache hierarchy of Intel's HEDT processors since "Skylake-X," with 1 MB of dedicated L2 cache per core, and 19.3 MB of shared L3 cache.
Geekbench tests run on the chip show it to perform roughly on par with the i9-9900X, with the 200 MHz speed-bump expected to marginally improve multi-threaded performance. Where the "Cascade Lake-X" silicon is expected to one-up "Skylake-X" is its support for DLBoost, an on-die fixed function hardware that multiplies matrices, improving AI DNN building and training; and pricing. Intel is expected to price its next-generation HEDT processors aggressively, to nearly double cores-per-Dollar.
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Geekbench tests run on the chip show it to perform roughly on par with the i9-9900X, with the 200 MHz speed-bump expected to marginally improve multi-threaded performance. Where the "Cascade Lake-X" silicon is expected to one-up "Skylake-X" is its support for DLBoost, an on-die fixed function hardware that multiplies matrices, improving AI DNN building and training; and pricing. Intel is expected to price its next-generation HEDT processors aggressively, to nearly double cores-per-Dollar.
67 Comments on Intel "Cascade Lake-X" HEDT CPU Lineup Starts at 10-core, Core i9-10900X Geekbenched
or are you saying that if it was on 10 it would be worse ?
Look at your own Techspot link. Outside of ZIP file extraction, the 1600 is a noticeable bump in every way from the OCed i7 980X. In games, the minimum of the 1600 is often tied or higher then the average for the i7. The 3600 is a massive improvement in every way from the 1600.
Just buy yourself a 3600, enjoy the huge boost in performance, then buy the 3950X or the 4000 series 16 core chip when they release next year.
-10nm is an immature node, so producing large dice (such as HEDT chips) will result in lower yields - and with the current HEDT market, there's nothing Intel can do with harvested dice with 8 or less functioning cores.
-10nm at this point has far lower production capacity than 14nm. These HEDT dice are also used for Xeon chips, which sell in massive volumes. They likely wouldn't be able to meet demands.
-Intel seems to be reserving 10nm for chips that also have architectural improvements - whether that is to ensure the arch makes the most of the node, or simply to keep die sizes small with mobile chips is impossible to say. But they have so far not launched any Skylake refreshes on 10nm, so they seem unwilling to do so - likely because they would dramatically underperform their 14nm counterparts due to lower clocks.
-and so on.
In saying that, modern Intel 9000-series and Ryzen 3000-series have roughly similar IPC which is about 50% higher than the IPC of your 980X.
- If your 980X is stock-clocked at 3.6GHz single-core boost, a 3600 will be (4.2/3.6)*1.5 = 75% faster.
- If your 980X is at 4.4GHz, a 3600 will be (4.2/4.4)*1.5 = 43% faster.
...and those are the worst-case, single-thread improvements. Current Intel Hyperthreading is better than old Nehalem Hyperthreading, and AMD's SMT is better than either, so on top of the extra 43-75% performance, you'd also be getting six SMT threads that add around 30% more performance (compared to your Nehalem's 15%). If you want an approximate figure for how much the real world difference is, those Phoronix charts are pretty accurate in my experience. You'd also get more cache, more RAM bandwidth, PCIe 3.0, NVMe support, USB3.1 and USB-C, UEFI boot support, XMP support, and a CPU that isn't hindered by Spectre/Meltdown/Zombieload/Foreshadow mitigation patches. If you believe the experts, Intel hyperthreading should be disabled altogether!My use case right now is gaming as the old CPU cant handle more than that. But that is about to changes, as i am planing to stream and record my gamings and as well convert video and have the power to serious multitask again. So 3600 is for sure not the permanent solution for me.
It's 8000 in all other languages :)
We will see significant number of people who deny reality but globally Intel will suffer from lowest demand last 10 years.
Gaming and streaming work great on a $329 3700X today. Serious multi-tasking really isn't a problem with 16 threads at your disposal, Streaming/Encoding are down to the graphics card unless you're doing a multi-pass x265 encode for maximum compression, at which point it's an overnight job on either a 3950X or a lowly 3600 regardless of which model you have.
I guess the main thing we're trying to point out is that Waiting for a $750 chip to arrive and then pay the premium tax because of low availability isn't a good use of your time or money. Buy a mainstream chip today that is 90% as good as the best thing available right now and use it for a few years. You'll have $500 in the kitty ready to spend on whatever's good in three years time. You can pretty much guarantee that the 3950X won't look as impressive by then, anyway.Intel won't care. Their HEDT lineup are just rejects they can't sell as server chips anyway. There's relatively little profit in the HEDT lineup compared to selling those dies as Xeons, and the chances are good that they're just taking away a 9900K sale (or whatever the equivalent mainstream socket will be in 2020). Intel are selling these chips solely because it's better than throwing the Xeon rejects in the trash.
... given that it costs competitively enough.
I mean, Ryzen 3 3800x is better both in single and in multithreaded workloads than my well overclocked and delidded-otherwise-fire CPU. If Intel offers such a pricing that for that extra few threads on the new x299 CPUs would cost me as much as 3800x + AM4 board, then yeah, no upgrade for me there thank you.