"Empowering Creators"... god. Stahp already!

Xx Tek Tip xXLike how AMD gets crushed in sales?

It must get increasingly hard trolling and shilling for Intel these days?

thesmokingmanIt must get increasingly hard trolling and shilling for Intel these days?

No, I think you're missing the point actually, 'Like how AMD gets crushed in sales' - they're not, just like how Intel gets 'crushed in HEDT' - they're not.

The shifts in the market are slooooooooow and they always have been. Not everyone upgrades at the same time. AMD will need many CPU gens as top dog before a true shift can be seen.

Vayra86No, I think you're missing the point actually, 'Like how AMD gets crushed in sales' - they're not, just like how Intel gets 'crushed in HEDT' - they're not.

The shifts in the market are slooooooooow and they always have been. Not everyone upgrades at the same time. AMD will need many CPU gens as top dog before a true shift can be seen.

Intel is getting crushed in HEDT.

thesmokingmanIntel is getting crushed in HEDT.

No, that is just our perception as lowly customers. Lots of enterprise is still running Intel. They won't be jumping on a new platform with all of its uncertainties right away.

Vayra86No, that is just our perception as lowly customers. Lots of enterprise is still running Intel.

Those are servers, duh. WTF you arguing for? No one is buying Intel servers as Epyc has taken over adoption.

Genius idea, let's buy Intel for 50% more money, 40% higher power draw, and 50% less performance. That's great TCO.

thesmokingmanThose are servers, duh. WTF you arguing for? No one is buying Intel servers as Epyc has taken over adoption.

Ehm... you're the one throwing the shill/troll argument around, and now you can't have a decent discussion on market share?

Show me numbers of all those businesses that have moved to TR. Show me all those 'pro users' that have immediately ditched their Intel HEDT setups for TRs.

All I've said was, curb the enthusiasm, CPU marketshare shifts SLOWLY. And thus, @Xx Tek Tip xX was perfectly spot on and you missed it.

thesmokingmanYou probably need to check yourself it as you are mixing TR and Epyc.

You're the one who brought Epyc up, not I... Depending on scale of your business you will run either one of them, and they're not as separate as you might think. They're all Zen market share regardless.

But I see you're not ready to provide substance, I'm out.

Vayra86Ehm... you're the one throwing the shill/troll argument around, and now you can't have a decent discussion on market share?

Show me numbers of all those businesses that have moved to TR. Show me all those 'pro users' that have immediately ditched their Intel HEDT setups for TRs.

You probably need to check yourself it as you are mixing TR and Epyc.

Vayra86All I've said was, curb the enthusiasm, CPU marketshare shifts SLOWLY. And thus, @Xx Tek Tip xX was perfectly spot on and you missed it.

Dude, read the damn news.

thesmokingmanDude, read the damn news.

I've asked you for links. Feel free to provide and prove your point... Apart from some vague data from independant suppliers and some headlines of new projects picking AMD, I haven't seen much. So if you have new info, by all means.... or you can be all grumpy about it.

Vayra86I've asked you for links. Feel free to provide and prove your point... Apart from some vague data from independant suppliers and some headlines of new projects picking AMD, I haven't seen much. So if you have new info, by all means.... or you can be all grumpy about it.

Are you serious? Speaking of links you didn't post yours smartass.

From the damn news article on this forum.

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/2nd-gen-amd-epyc-continues-market-momentum-with-new-customers.259314/unread
Highlights

• Dell Technologies announced five new Dell EMC PowerEdge platforms powered by the 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processor. These platforms were designed from the ground up and optimized to support the features of the new AMD EPYC processor including PCIe 4.0.
• IBM Cloud detailed how 2nd Gen EPYC processors can support IBM Cloud customer needs in specific areas including helping improve cloud security, better memory bandwidth for big data and analytics workloads and core scaling and breakthrough performance for container workloads. IBM plans to have more to share in 2020 about its performance offerings for clients.
• Nokia highlighted how 2nd Gen EPYC processors significantly accelerate its Cloud Packet Core system which helps service providers deliver converged broadband, IoT, and machine-type communication services for 5G. In testing, Nokia found its Cloud Packet Core system with 2nd Gen AMD EPYC provided a 2X increase in packet throughput compared to previous systems.
• ATOS, a global leader in digital transformation, announced Genci is using the 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processors to expand the use of supercomputing for the benefit of French scientific communities. Genci and ATOS are using the 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processor due to its breakthrough performance, efficiency and TCO.
• OVHcloud, a global cloud provider specializing in delivering industry-leading performance and cost-effective solutions, announced a new high-end hosting instance based on the AMD EPYC 7402P processor. This instance will be available at the end of 2019.
• TSMC announced its adoption of 2nd Gen AMD EPYC helping power its next generation research and leading process technology.

wccftech.com/intel-ceo-we-will-likely-lose-server-market-share-to-amds-epyc/

Mr. Krzanich was very matter-of-fact in saying that Intel would lose server share to AMD in the second half of the year. This wasn’t new news, but we thought it was interesting that Mr. Krzanich did not draw a firm line in the sand as it relates to AMD’s potential gains in servers; he only indicated that it was Intel’s job to not let AMD capture 15-20% market share.”

techcrunch.com/2019/08/07/google-and-twitter-are-using-amds-new-epyc-rome-processors-in-their-datacenters/

Twitter plans to begin using EPYC Rome in its data center infrastructure later this year. Its senior director of engineering, Jennifer Fraser, said the chips will reduce the energy consumption of its data centers. “Using the AMD EPYC 7702 processor, we can scale out our compute clusters with more cores in less space using less power, which translates to 25% lower [total cost of ownership] for Twitter.”

Do you need more?

thesmokingmanAre you serious? Speaking of links you didn't post yours smartass.

From the damn news article on this forum.

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/2nd-gen-amd-epyc-continues-market-momentum-with-new-customers.259314/unread
Highlights

• Dell Technologies announced five new Dell EMC PowerEdge platforms powered by the 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processor. These platforms were designed from the ground up and optimized to support the features of the new AMD EPYC processor including PCIe 4.0.
• IBM Cloud detailed how 2nd Gen EPYC processors can support IBM Cloud customer needs in specific areas including helping improve cloud security, better memory bandwidth for big data and analytics workloads and core scaling and breakthrough performance for container workloads. IBM plans to have more to share in 2020 about its performance offerings for clients.
• Nokia highlighted how 2nd Gen EPYC processors significantly accelerate its Cloud Packet Core system which helps service providers deliver converged broadband, IoT, and machine-type communication services for 5G. In testing, Nokia found its Cloud Packet Core system with 2nd Gen AMD EPYC provided a 2X increase in packet throughput compared to previous systems.
• ATOS, a global leader in digital transformation, announced Genci is using the 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processors to expand the use of supercomputing for the benefit of French scientific communities. Genci and ATOS are using the 2nd Gen AMD EPYC processor due to its breakthrough performance, efficiency and TCO.
• OVHcloud, a global cloud provider specializing in delivering industry-leading performance and cost-effective solutions, announced a new high-end hosting instance based on the AMD EPYC 7402P processor. This instance will be available at the end of 2019.
• TSMC announced its adoption of 2nd Gen AMD EPYC helping power its next generation research and leading process technology.

wccftech.com/intel-ceo-we-will-likely-lose-server-market-share-to-amds-epyc/

Mr. Krzanich was very matter-of-fact in saying that Intel would lose server share to AMD in the second half of the year. This wasn’t new news, but we thought it was interesting that Mr. Krzanich did not draw a firm line in the sand as it relates to AMD’s potential gains in servers; he only indicated that it was Intel’s job to not let AMD capture 15-20% market share.”

techcrunch.com/2019/08/07/google-and-twitter-are-using-amds-new-epyc-rome-processors-in-their-datacenters/

Twitter plans to begin using EPYC Rome in its data center infrastructure later this year. Its senior director of engineering, Jennifer Fraser, said the chips will reduce the energy consumption of its data centers. “Using the AMD EPYC 7702 processor, we can scale out our compute clusters with more cores in less space using less power, which translates to 25% lower [total cost of ownership] for Twitter.”

Do you need more?

Got any for the HEDT segment? ;) I thought this was about TR?

And about being 'crushed'... check this quote:




So, again, this is a long, slow battle. The news you posted is good news, don't get me wrong. But overhyping it is a thing with AMD doing well... let's just not do that.

Vayra86Got any for the HEDT segment? ;) I thought this was about TR?

And about being 'crushed'... check this quote:




So, again, this is a long, slow battle.

Still trolling? When I wrote crushed... did I write in what aspect?

man why is that last oh so painful intel marketing image part of this article...facepalm

thesmokingmanStill trolling? When I wrote crushed... did I write in what aspect?

I'm actually trying to talk some sense into you... Relax man

thesmokingmanIt must get increasingly hard trolling and shilling for Intel these days?

Look at market share then go figure, Intel is a ten times larger company than AMD is, so I find your statements quite pathetic, and if intel didn't bring HEDT products out what would AMD be like? 1950x refresh for the next 6 years or so? These are businesses no need to be a sad little AMD fanboy with nothing better to do than get salty for being criticized

thesmokingmanWhy do they even bother with HEDT anymore, they just get crushed.

by AMD's midrange consumer platform. I'm willing to bet that the 3900x will have the advantage over 10 Intel cores, and the 3950x may well arrive first.

Meanwhile, the true competition for Intel's HEDT has been on 32 cores for a year already and is about to become 64...

Chrispy_I would just buy a good AM4 board, some nice DDR4 to go in it now, and maybe an NVMe SSD - then fill the socket with a 3600 or something for the time being. When 3950X availability stops being problematic, the prices should return to MSRP and you can just sell on the 3600 to recover most of its value.

I built a test renderfarm using eight nodes of 3900X and I have another 56 3900X chips on back order since July 23rd and current ETA given how long I've been in the queue is October 4th.

Let's face it, Nehalem was a game-changer in its day but that day was 10 years ago; The upgrade to a mere 3600 will be mind-blowing, and if you're managing to cope on 4 threads, the difference between a 3600 and 3950X isn't going to be that huge anyway.

No i will not Bay a measly 6 core now, then i already have one now. X58 CPU is not 4 threads. All x58 CPU's has hyper threading. Means All CPU for x58 is 4 core/8 threads or 6 core/12 threads and My i7 980X is a 6 core/12 threads CPU.

Also the memory i am waiting for aint gonna Come for some time and motherboard is desided long a go. But I can not get My self to buy a 6 core CPU, then i have one al ready al throw its much older. An overclock i7 980X can perform close to a stock ryzen 5 1600. Exsample cinebench r15 My CPU at 4.4 ghz score 1020 while a stock ryzen 5 1600 score around in the 1200-1300 area.

TomgangNo i will not Bay a measly 6 core now, then i already have one now. X58 CPU is not 4 threads. All x58 CPU's has hyper threading. Means All CPU for x58 is 4 core/8 threads or 6 core/12 threads and My i7 980X is a 6 core/12 threads CPU.

I totally get this, but I saw this review on Phoronix the other day and it blew my mind. Mind you, some of these CPUs have only 2 more cores than the 3960X, the 8700k is also a 6c/12t part, but the gain in performance is absolutely massive. At this point, the mobile quad core in my laptop is probably just as fast as my 3930k. It certainly is about the same when it comes to running the a test suite for work.

thesmokingmanStill trolling? When I wrote crushed... did I write in what aspect?

Dude, you need to calm down. AMD is on the rise, which is fantastic, but significant market share gains are going to take time. For example, in the article about more Dell EPYC servers, they are now up to five models - out of 30. The remaining 25 are all Intel based. Even if the AMD models outsell the Intel ones by a 3:1 margin per model, Intel would be at at a 62.5% market share (from that OEM). Which, given how conservative hardware purchasers for large corporations tend to be, is unlikely to happen.


AMD does seem to be doing very well in the DIY space, both for gaming and other uses, but there are no reliably generalizeable statistics, and this is also a very small portion of the total CPU market.

As for the workstation and HEDT crowd, Intel still dominates that even in areas where TR performs better - again, due to OEMs being slow on the uptake, but also due to a lot of workstation software being heavily optimized for Intel architectures.

Tl;dr: market share gains take time, and having an unrealistic outlook will only make you disappointed when reality sets in. AMD is still doing better than in a long time, they have arguably the best architecture and process node currently, and the competition is struggling to muster any response at all. But who knows what will happen in two years?

Chrispy_by AMD's midrange consumer platform. I'm willing to bet that the 3900x will have the advantage over 10 Intel cores, and the 3950x may well arrive first.

Meanwhile, the true competition for Intel's HEDT has been on 32 cores for a year already and is about to become 64...

This is exactly what I was alluding to. They will have a hard enough time justifying their HEDT setup with the 3900x let alone the 3950x. And then when the 32/64 core drops end of the year, boom headshot.

Chrispy_Between Intel's power-guzzling 14nm and AMD's 7nm order backlog, the choices for the next 6 months are going to look like:

1) An empty TR4 or AM4 socket.
2) A pile of molten slag where the LGA2066 socket used to be.

Molten SLAG:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I LOVE IT!

thesmokingmanThis is exactly what I was alluding to. They will have a hard enough time justifying their HEDT setup with the 3900x let alone the 3950x. And then when the 32/64 core drops end of the year, boom headshot.

And you're not wrong...!

But as Valantar pointed out, who knows what the balance is like two years later? AMD right now has an architectural advantage - but also a node advantage. Intel might just diminish both of those when they finally get their act together, even with just the shrink and their 10nm plans. We've seen roadmaps, but they have got to be scrambling for solutions for some time now, too.

AquinusI totally get this, but I saw this review on Phoronix the other day and it blew my mind. Mind you, some of these CPUs have only 2 more cores than the 3960X, the 8700k is also a 6c/12t part, but the gain in performance is absolutely massive. At this point, the mobile quad core in my laptop is probably just as fast as my 3930k. It certainly is about the same when it comes to running the a test suite for work.

I dont know that side or how reliable it is. But a test with I7 980X oc to 4.4 ghz done by techspot. Shows it is not slow as hell compared to New cpu's but neither is it the top dog Any more. Well it shows that i will not get a 3600 now.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/article/1666-old-1000-cpu-vs-budget-ryzen/

TomgangI dont know that side or how reliable it is. But a test with I7 980X oc to 4.4 ghz done by techspot. Shows it is not slow as hell compared to New cpu's but neither is it the top dog Any more. Well it shows that i will not get a 3600 now.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/article/1666-old-1000-cpu-vs-budget-ryzen/

Phoronix is what I consider the authority when it comes to reviews in the Linux ecosystem. My point though is that a modern 6c CPU can easily be twice as fast as your 980X or my 3930k. Honestly, it's a motivator for me to upgrade... and honestly, it's about time considering the 3930k was released 8 years ago. Also consider power consumption. In most tests it eats the most power and performs near the bottom, so there's that too.

TomgangI dont know that side or how reliable it is. But a test with I7 980X oc to 4.4 ghz done by techspot. Shows it is not slow as hell compared to New cpu's but neither is it the top dog Any more. Well it shows that i will not get a 3600 now.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/article/1666-old-1000-cpu-vs-budget-ryzen/

Hmm, I'm not sure what you saw, but the 980x at 4.4 even is at the bottom of the those charts on almost all the test. A Ryzen 3 2200 is an 85 dollar bottom barrel chip. It's not even a current gen chip anymore at that. A current Ryzen 5 3600x will be such a massive upgrade. Hell anything currently new will be a massive upgrade, including Intel.