I would go so far as saying eliminates the the risk of having a lowering performing chip, no? I mean they bin and guaratenee it, right?

I also wouldn't call it absolutely expected either. They penned a letter that mentioned their time is coming to a close due to the lower tolerances, in particular with AMD CPUs not overclocking much at all.

waiting for a binned atom XD

Last time I bought one of their chips it was a 4.9Ghz 6700k Skylake. Did what it said and could even eek out 5Ghz (with insane, unmanageable thermals).

So with 9900KS you buy a binned binned cpu. As it is first binned by Intel and then again by silicone lottery. It must be good then with double binning. But I think I will pass.

Ryzen 9 3950X is my cpu:love:, but again it's the same. It's a binned binned cpu. As AMD is binning Chiplets for this cpu and then again by silicone lottery.

That's a lot of binning right here:respect:.

Even so I am not buying from SL. The reason why 3950X is so much more expensive over 3900X, amd said its because of the binning process so you are already paying amd ekstra for there binning and then again SL for binning and as that is not enough, you have to pay 10 buks more to get retail boks and stock cooler with it. At least amd includes that in there price. So maybe I get a cpu that can oc a bit higher but as all other ryzen 3000 chips all core oc will max out at 4.3 to 4.4 ghz. So with this I can honestly only feel that I get ripped off twice.

Sorry if I sound a bit like an angry old man, but just the fact that you have to pay more to get the stock cooler and retail boks with the already expensive binned cpu that amd ships with the cpu in the price, makes me a bit angry inside. A little thing maybe, but It's a little thing That you should not pay ekstra for in the first place.

TomgangSo with 9900KS you buy a binned binned cpu. As it is first binned by Intel and then again by silicone lottery. It must be good then with double binning. But I think I will pass.

Ryzen 9 3950X is my cpu:love:, but again it's the same. It's a binned binned cpu. As AMD is binning Chiplets for this cpu and then again by silicone lottery.

That's a lot of binning right here:respect:.

Even so I am not buying from SL. The reason why 3950X is so much more expensive over 3900X, amd said its because of the binning process so you are already paying amd ekstra for there binning and then again SL for binning and as that is not enough, you have to pay 10 buks more to get retail boks and stock cooler with it. At least amd includes that in there price. So maybe I get a cpu that can oc a bit higher but as all other ryzen 3000 chips all core oc will max out at 4.3 to 4.4 ghz. So with this I can honestly only feel that I get ripped off twice.

Sorry if I sound a bit like an angry old man, but just the fact that you have to pay more to get the stock cooler and retail boks with the already expensive binned cpu that amd ships with the cpu in the price, makes me a bit angry inside. A little thing maybe, but It's a little thing That you should not pay ekstra for in the first place.

What? You mean you don't want to pay 30% more for 5% more performance? You're crazy man! This is the best deal ever.



I mean... I totally get why that's sold out -.-

That difference from 5.0 to 5.1, that sweet, sweet 2%.

phanbueyWhat? You mean you don't want to pay 30% more for 5% more performance? You're crazy man! This is the best deal ever.

Yeah that's what I am saying. I will not pay like 25-30% more for like 5-10 % more performance + 10 USD to get them to ship stock cooler and retail box with it.

Worst deal ever you mean:p

Edit: holy crap. That's a huge jump in price from 5 ghz to just 5.1 ghz on that I9 9900K. Totally not worth it.

I really do wonder though, who is out there like... "I am willing to pay an extra $400 for that 2%"

80% more money... for 2% higher performance. Even if money is no object at some point things have to stop making sense.

You also have to keep in mind, that they bin by SSE load, not by AVX load.

So you have to know your usecase and if it applies to their binning method. Otherwise you won't get the Silicon Lottery specified speeds.

phanbueyI really do wonder though, who is out there like... "I am willing to pay an extra $400 for that 2%"

80% more money... for 2% higher performance. Even if money is no object at some point things have to stop making sense.

Well with people willing to pay Intel 2000 USD for there I9 9980xe or Nvidia to pay way to much for there rtx 2080 ti. There are sure as he'll also people willing to pay way to much for a binned cpu.

You know these kind of people below.

I was in a Space Engineers discord where they had crowd-funded donations for a new server rig for the owner, the parts included an overpriced top binned Silicon Lottery 8700K. I didn't donate. The server could probably run on a toaster.

TomgangWell with people willing to pay Intel 2000 USD for there I9 9980xe or Nvidia to pay way to much for there rtx 2080 ti. There are sure as he'll also people willing to pay way to much for a binned cpu.

You know these kind of people below.

But those I kind of get... like ok the 9980XE, or the 2080ti or even the 3950x and 9900k there (was)/is no competition for a while so you're buying the fastest... etc. money is no object -- we get it. Im one of those people, I buy retardedly expensive gear all the time (even though money is definitely an object).

This is different... this is paying 80% more FOR THE SAME 9980XE or a 2080ti that's 2% faster.

I will sell you a cup of coffee for $5 or ... I can add to that an extra teaspoon of coffee for $9. Even if you're jeff bezos that type of scaling would make you take a double take.

phanbueyBut those I kind of get... like ok the 9980XE, or the 2080ti or even the 3950x and 9900k there (was)/is no competition for a while so you're buying the fastest... etc. money is no object -- we get it. Im one of those people, I buy retardedly expensive gear all the time (even though money is definitely an object).

This is different... this is paying 80% more FOR THE SAME 9980XE or a 2080ti that's 2% faster.

I will sell you a cup of coffee for $5 or ... I can add to that an extra teaspoon of coffee for $9. Even if you're jeff bezos that type of scaling would make you take a double take.

I get your point. But that will not change that there are people willing to pay that amount for these 2 %.

VarioI was in a Space Engineers discord where they had crowd-funded donations for a new server rig for the owner, the parts included an overpriced top binned Silicon Lottery 8700K. I didn't donate. The server could probably run on a toaster.

Space engineer servers actually benefit heavily from faster processors rather than more cores, the official specs recommend 4.5ghz and 3 logical cores.

phanbueyBut those I kind of get... like ok the 9980XE, or the 2080ti or even the 3950x and 9900k there (was)/is no competition for a while so you're buying the fastest... etc. money is no object -- we get it. Im one of those people, I buy retardedly expensive gear all the time (even though money is definitely an object).

This is different... this is paying 80% more FOR THE SAME 9980XE or a 2080ti that's 2% faster.

I will sell you a cup of coffee for $5 or ... I can add to that an extra teaspoon of coffee for $9. Even if you're jeff bezos that type of scaling would make you take a double take.

That's the thing, it is the top bin. And with its 'rarity', comes a price. Only 5 out of 100 that they test will be able to do it. Remember, 'worth it' is in the eye of the beholder. Some prefer not to take the time to tweak and stress test a chip. Do some math...... how much is your time worth?

At $25 and hour, let's say you nail the best settings (top bin at lowest voltage) and stress test out of the gate... Let's assume that your stress testing is 8 hours long... that's $200 there. Let's assume you are a potato and it takes a couple hours to dial it in and you stress test for 8 hours...............(sure, you are not sitting there, but you are able to use the machine either...time is money).........see where I am going here?

I mean I get that top tier bin is expensive, but if your only metric of worth is performance, just about any flagship product is going to make you cringe... some obviously worse than others.

somethinggenericSpace engineer servers actually benefit heavily from faster processors rather than more cores, the official specs recommend 4.5ghz and 3 logical cores.

It was clear the owner was conning a community into buying him his dream machine. All of the parts were absurdly overkill for a server. I think it was the 5.2 SL bin they bought for him.

EarthDogThat's the thing, it is the top bin. And with its 'rarity', comes a price. Only 5 out of 100 that they test will be able to do it. Remember, 'worth it' is in the eye of the beholder. Some prefer not to take the time to tweak and stress test a chip. Do some math...... how much is your time worth?

At $25 and hour, let's say you nail the best settings (top bin at lowest voltage) and stress test out of the gate... Let's assume that your stress testing is 8 hours long... that's $200 there. Let's assume you are a potato and it takes a couple hours to dial it in and you stress test for 8 hours...............(sure, you are not sitting there, but you are able to use the machine either...time is money).........see where I am going here?

I mean I get that top tier bin is expensive, but if your only metric of worth is performance, just about any flagship product is going to make you cringe... some obviously worse than others.

I like the devil's advocate, but you still have to stress the machine after you buy this part and OC it in your mobo, and you still have to dial in the ram. So you're really not saving much time if any.

phanbueyI like the devil's advocate, but you still have to stress the machine after you buy this part and OC it in your mobo, and you still have to dial in the ram. So you're really not saving much time if any.

Yes, you still have to set it... indeed. But that wasn't the time saver.. the time saver is having to take the time to TWEAK it. They GIVE YOU pretty optimal settings already. Set it once and forget it. If you buy a chip, you need to take the time to actually get it stable, mind you.... so, example two is more realistic. I suppose stress testing would still happen... but yeah... depends on if you want to spend the potential hours to tweak it or just pay a premium for a guaranteed clock and voltage. 'Worth it' is a funny thing (and why I personally hate 'is it worth it' threads).

SL doesn't touch RAM. And this is Intel, so dialing in the RAM = enable XMP and walk. Unless you are benching competitively, there isn't a need to tweak anything. Enable XMP and enjoy your horse.

phanbueyBut those I kind of get... like ok the 9980XE, or the 2080ti or even the 3950x and 9900k there (was)/is no competition for a while so you're buying the fastest... etc. money is no object -- we get it. Im one of those people, I buy retardedly expensive gear all the time (even though money is definitely an object).

This is different... this is paying 80% more FOR THE SAME 9980XE or a 2080ti that's 2% faster.

I will sell you a cup of coffee for $5 or ... I can add to that an extra teaspoon of coffee for $9. Even if you're jeff bezos that type of scaling would make you take a double take.

Well for peeps who have more money than grey matter, there's always this :pimp:

This ultra-rare thing isn’t sold to consumers – Intel only sells it to select partners, and even then it is only sold via an auction, once per quarter, with no warranty from Intel. How much would you pay for one?

www.anandtech.com/show/14980/the-intel-core-i9-9990xe-review

I still like the box o chocolates approach.

That is how I did for my fx build and across all cores/modules it runs 24/7 flat on air cooling.

This business group is a common scammer who opens an originally sealed product, thereby violating contractual obligations from Intel to customers. In this crime, they violate many of the terms of sale and make a profit at the expense of customers who do not know that the product must be originally closed at purchase! The chips that did not show the desired results are then resold in open packages and also are manipulated the sale price at the time of purchase in their own favor. Such are the criminals who go to prison for me! Yes friends have been the victims of these thieves on the market and if the product is open you can return it as far as I know. I wonder why no one is chasing these kind of profiteers ! These businessmen are ordinary scammers, and I don't know why Intel does not step on their toes !

bogamiThis business group is a common scammer who opens an originally sealed product, thereby violating contractual obligations from Intel to customers. In this crime, they violate many of the terms of sale and make a profit at the expense of customers who do not know that the product must be originally closed at purchase! The chips that did not show the desired results are then resold in open packages and also manipulated during the sale price at the time of purchase in their own favor. Such are the criminals who go to prison for me! Yes friends have been the victims of these thieves on the market and if the product is open you can return it as far as I know. I wonder why no one is chasing these kind of profiteers ! These businessmen are ordinary scammers, and I don't know why Intel does not step on their toes !

It's the same crap as with gamestop, they sell a open box game to you claim it is new.

Besides they take the fun out of tweaking a rig.

VarioI was in a Space Engineers discord where they had crowd-funded donations for a new server rig for the owner, the parts included an overpriced top binned Silicon Lottery 8700K. I didn't donate. The server could probably run on a toaster.

LOL

bogamiThis business group is a common scammer who opens an originally sealed product, thereby violating contractual obligations from Intel to customers. In this crime, they violate many of the terms of sale and make a profit at the expense of customers who do not know that the product must be originally closed at purchase! The chips that did not show the desired results are then resold in open packages and also are manipulated the sale price at the time of purchase in their own favor. Such are the criminals who go to prison for me! Yes friends have been the victims of these thieves on the market and if the product is open you can return it as far as I know. I wonder why no one is chasing these kind of profiteers ! These businessmen are ordinary scammers, and I don't know why Intel does not step on their toes !

You know why nobody is chasing them??? Because there is absolutely no crime being committed here.

phanbueyI really do wonder though, who is out there like... "I am willing to pay an extra $400 for that 2%"

80% more money... for 2% higher performance. Even if money is no object at some point things have to stop making sense.

You are absolutely correct! 5.8Ghz on ambient air is the point where things begin to stop making sense. lol becoming extremely unstable. (screenshot below) :p

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For a work PC a binned CPU can make sense even when money is an object and saving money is still an important objective. That old adage time is money, additional speed can save you time.

Also, like R-T-B has mentioned, another benefit is lower voltage needed at every capable clock speed equates to lower heat output - lower noise.

It's not like you are outfitting 50 computers in a large office with binned CPUs. If you only need one superfast processor in a home office or small office environment and you enjoy the additional speed and exhilaration - if you are a fast worker on a roll, wish for the computer to absolutely disappear- your mind a direct route to the electronic paper in front of you - don't wish the PC to slow down your creative ability to produce. I don't know about you, but I can lose a train of thought in an instant, only the caboose survives. :D

And for those creators out there spending BIG MONEY on "creator keyboards" and "creator mice" and "creator motherboards" and "creator memory sticks" and "creator RGB fans". :laugh:

Spending a bit more on real performance to actually complete your work is a much better idea.


The farthest point from sense, the deep end of sense, stop making sense - 100% senseless 5.8Ghz "on ambient air" high-binned CPU screenshot I promised. lol :roll:




Also, if your work applications look like this screenshot below under load, those apps will benefit more from higher frequency higher clock speeds vs additional cores:

phanbueyI mean... I totally get why that's sold out -.-

I do too. It's called bragging rights. Performance got nothing to do with it.

Yes, I suffered from it once too.