And that's how office desktops die.

The $1200 config is just sick. So somehow they've managed to put 64GB of RAM in that, while Dell and Lenovo are unlikely to offer more than 32GB in mini towers...

notbAnd that's how office desktops die.

The $1200 config is just sick. So somehow they've managed to put 64GB of RAM in that, while Dell and Lenovo are unlikely to offer more than 32GB in mini towers...

Doesn't it have more to do with the new 32GB SO-DIMM modules being finally available in meaningful quantities? Dell OptiPlex 7070 Ultra is available in a 2x32GB configuration. Most likely the
"10th gen" (still 14nm lol) OptiPlex Micro will have that option too.

notbAnd that's how office desktops die.

The $1200 config is just sick. So somehow they've managed to put 64GB of RAM in that, while Dell and Lenovo are unlikely to offer more than 32GB in mini towers...

I'm pretty sure dummy terminals are how office desktops die. That's what are being installed, today.

Serious graphics downgrade from 8th gen NUCs. Knock another $300 off the price for that alone.

notbAnd that's how office desktops die.

The $1200 config is just sick. So somehow they've managed to put 64GB of RAM in that, while Dell and Lenovo are unlikely to offer more than 32GB in mini towers...

This is how office desktops die....with an office desktop? LOL.

TheinsanegamerNSerious graphics downgrade from 8th gen NUCs. Knock another $300 off the price for that alone.

You mean the Iris models? They were meant to provide some entry-level gaming capabilities. It didn't really work.
It's better this way, with Intel focusing on casual and professional clients. IGP in this is perfectly capable for such.
Ice Lake offers a batter IGP (offering higher resolution), but that needs 10nm.

This is how office desktops die....with an office desktop? LOL.

Well, this is not a mobile PC, but does it make it a desktop? These NUCs are in a slightly different category.

The important part is that the large noisy boxes are finally disappearing. :)

TheGuruStudI'm pretty sure dummy terminals are how office desktops die. That's what are being installed, today.

Not really. Intel is already positioning these NUCs for edge computing, which is the natural evolution of cloud that you're referring to. That's the idea that will dominate the next decade (together with things like oneAPI).

TheinsanegamerNThis is how office desktops die....with an overpriced office desktop? LOL.

Fixed that for ya ;)

ShurikNFixed that for ya ;)

Overpriced because? You have to show a cheaper alternative to state that this one costs too much. :)

Even when buying for personal use and considering a DIY mITX, you'll pay around $900 (assuming a decent case, like In-Win Chopin, and something like 3400G/i5-9400).
That would still result in a PC 5x larger and much heavier, so you'll miss on the main selling point of these NUCs: they don't take up space. And that makes them a bargain.

TheinsanegamerNSerious graphics downgrade from 8th gen NUCs. Knock another $300 off the price for that alone.


This is how office desktops die....with an office desktop? LOL.

My
Thin clients.

notbOverpriced because? You have to show a cheaper alternative to state that this one costs too much. :)

Even when buying for personal use and considering a DIY mITX, you'll pay around $900 (assuming a decent case, like In-Win Chopin, and something like 3400G/i5-9400).
That would still result in a PC 5x larger and much heavier, so you'll miss on the main selling point of these NUCs: they don't take up space. And that makes them a bargain.

My office right now has examples of large and small PCs. The box I'm using right now is still substantially more powerful than the NUC style computers most of my colleagues are using, despite being a 3rd Gen i5.

You'll say that most people don't need extra power and would rather trade off for size, but honestly, I have more desk space than they do because the machine sits on the floor, and while they don't complain about needing extra power, they *do* complain about being unable to do things, slowdown, random hangs while the machines catch up, etc. I use their machines and find plenty of ways in which they make the basic office tasks they're doing, more difficult than they need to be as a result of a lack of horsepower. And again, all of their machines are several years newer than this one, which was not a monster machine when it was first installed either.

It's not that they wouldn't benefit from the extra power a larger machine will have almost by default - it's that they're the kind of people who are content to keep struggling with an inefficient system because that's less scary than moving to an efficient one.

It may well be the way things are going, but I daresay this is because in most offices, the people buying hardware are simply cheaping out and buying short-lived, easily replacable solutions, rather than investing in hardware that can remain in situ for longer without requiring replacement.

Intel Core i7-10710U? More HD/UHD 620 then. :(

Not sure why they're not dropping Iris Plus Graphics 640/655 into these 10th gens (aside from the G* series).

CheeseballIntel Core i7-10710U? More HD/UHD 620 then. :(

Not sure why they're not dropping Iris Plus Graphics 640/655 into these 10th gens (aside from the G* series).

If you're dumb enough to buy it, then you're dumb enough to be happy with trash hardware. Easy money.

I know a fruit company that does the same thing...

CheeseballIntel Core i7-10710U? More HD/UHD 620 then. :(

Not sure why they're not dropping Iris Plus Graphics 640/655 into these 10th gens (aside from the G* series).

Because it's not needed in the segment they're aiming with these SoCs. It's not for gaming on IGP.
Iris would make these chips much bigger.

Seriously Intel? $1300? Hardcore pass! Not even for $680... For that kind of money it has to have impressive specs, which it doesn't.

It is for this reason I think that some of the folks at Intel have lost touch with reality, it's customer base or both. :kookoo::rolleyes:

notbAnd that's how office desktops die.

The $1200 config is just sick. So somehow they've managed to put 64GB of RAM in that, while Dell and Lenovo are unlikely to offer more than 32GB in mini towers...

No it's not, the normal desktop isn't going anywhere. I've dealt with nucs in an Enterprise environment, they are tempormental and easily stolen.

The nucs purpose is htpc or conference rooms, they work great mounted to a wall running teams or playing media.

Yup office desktops won't die at the hands of wannabe "mobile" desktop replacements. If anything it's the laptops that need to be worried about these, especially for people who use external displays.

lexluthermiesterSeriously Intel? $1300? Hardcore pass! Not even for $680...

$680 is less than parts cost. So it's not Intel who lost touch with reality...

candle_86No it's not, the normal desktop isn't going anywhere.

It's almost gone already.

I've dealt with nucs in an Enterprise environment, they are tempormental and easily stolen.

What kind of "enterprise environment" are you talking about? Your colleagues at work steal company's PCs? WTF?

notb$680 is less than parts cost. So it's not Intel who lost touch with reality...

It's almost gone already.

What kind of "enterprise environment" are you talking about? Your colleagues at work steal company's PCs? WTF?

you'd be surprised what "disappears", as for desktops disappearing no not in a lot of area's. Complex Math workstations, call center systems, basically anyone that doesn't need a laptop should get a desktop because they are cheaper than laptops, and yes they don't "disappear" as easily. The nuc though you could literly slip into a coat pocket and walk out the door and no one would notice until the next day.

notb$680 is less than parts cost.

That is absolutely false. I can build a much more capable system in a similar form-factor for 2/3 that cost, less if I use parts that perform on a similar level.

notbIt's almost gone already.

Also absolutely false...

notbSo it's not Intel who lost touch with reality...

Hmm... :wtf:

lexluthermiesterThat is absolutely false. I can build a much more capable system in a similar form-factor for 2/3 that cost, less if I use parts that perform on a similar level.

I doubt that. Show me. New parts only, no seasonal deals.

You'd need around $800 to build a similar system using basic mITX case, mobo and a $200 desktop 35W SoC.
Windows 10 Pro OEM is ~$140.

10710U is not available in retail. I have no idea how much it costs. Intel's "recommended" price (whatever it means here) is $443.
800+140+243 = 1183
Intel asks $1295, so it's very much in line with normal OEM margin (if not smaller).

I'm not saying this has great value compared to a DIY mITX. But the price is adequate, expected.

Also, mITX isn't really a "similar form-factor". It's just the closest thing easily done with DIY x86.

notbI doubt that. Show me. New parts only, no seasonal deals.

www.newegg.com/p/N82E16856158066
www.newegg.com/zotac-zbox-mi526-u/p/N82E16883218071
www.newegg.com/p/N82E16856158065
www.newegg.com/gigabyte-brix-gb-bri7-8550-bw/p/N82E16856164116
www.newegg.com/p/N82E16856501025
The above only need ram and a drive and you're off and running.
www.newegg.com/hp-prodesk-405-g4-6vc52ut-aba-business-desktops-workstations/p/N82E16883997233
This one is on par with the NUC spec wise and is a faction of the cost.
www.newegg.com/p/1VK-0053-00315
And for $680 this one is far more appealing.

notbWindows 10 Pro OEM is ~$140.

An OEM copy of 10 Pro is not $140 for manufacturers. It's not even that for resellers.

notbSo it's not Intel who lost touch with reality...

Very true :kookoo:

lexluthermiesterwww.newegg.com/p/N82E16856158066
www.newegg.com/zotac-zbox-mi526-u/p/N82E16883218071
www.newegg.com/p/N82E16856158066

All of these are way slower than 10710U and probably none of them will accept 32GB modules.
You're a PC builder. You should know better. Don't give up so easily. :)

www.newegg.com/hp-prodesk-405-g4-6vc52ut-aba-business-desktops-workstations/p/N82E16883997233
This one is on par with the NUC spec wise and is a faction of the cost.

Much larger, small RAM, small SSD. It's even worse than the mini stuff listed above.
2400GE is really slow for 35W. It's far from bad, but 10710U is much better in single-core. It'll be more responsive.

Anyway, adding RAM and SSD space will move it to the $800 I've mentioned earlier. But yeah, Windows Pro is "free" here.

An OEM copy of 10 Pro is not $140 for manufacturers. It's not even that for resellers.

We're not talking about how much Intel pays for thousands of keys.
You said you can make something better for 2/3 of the price. So I'm asking how you'd make it. Single piece. :)

Proper System Builder license is $143 on Amazon at the moment:
www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00ZSHDJ4O/

notbAll of these are way slower than 10710U and probably none of them will accept 32GB modules.
You're a PC builder. You should know better. Don't give up so easily. :)

Much larger, small RAM, small SSD. It's even worse than the mini stuff listed above.
Adding RAM and SSD space will move it to the $800 I've mentioned earlier. But yeah, Windows Pro is "free" here.

We're not talking about how much Intel pays for thousands of keys.
You said you can make something better for 2/3 of the price. So I'm asking how you'd make it. Single piece. :)

So you're going to pick nits? You asked for examples, they were provided. This is one of the reasons I generally tell people Google is their friend, it's because they then nit pick at minor details that don't matter.

notbProper System Builder license is $143 on Amazon at the moment:
Amazon.com: Buying Choices: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit System Builder OEM

That is the price to the public. Amazon does not pay $143 and neither does Intel. Stop being a troll.

lexluthermiesterSo you're going to pick nits? You asked for examples, they were provided.

"pick nits"?
You said:
[ICODE]I can build a much more capable system in a similar form-factor for 2/3 that cost [/ICODE]
Systems you mentioned are either much slower (N5000, seriously? :D) or much larger (HP ProDesk).

You came into this thread storming, but having absolutely no idea how much NUCs cost.

You've just added a link to the MSI Cubi, which costs $780 with a VERY SLOW Pentium N5000, 16GB RAM and a SATA 1TB SSD
www.newegg.com/p/1VK-0053-002U0
The Intel NUC 10 has 64GB RAM, NVMe 1TB and a SoC that's at least few times faster.
N5000 will be unresponsible running Windows 10. It's not a general use PC.

That is the price to the public. Amazon does not pay $143 and neither does Intel. Stop being a troll.

Irrelevant. You said you can build something equivalent for $680. And you're not running a multibillion company. You don't have access to licensing deals Intel has.

Yes, Intel can get a Win 10 Pro license for $50, maybe less. But that $100 difference is not to be given away. It's their profit for running this business. That's the whole point.

notb"pick nits"?

Yes

notbThe Intel NUC 10 has 64GB RAM, NVMe 1TB and a SoC that's at least few times faster.

Citation? That is likely to be the $1300 version.

notbYou came into this thread storming, but having absolutely no idea how much NUCs cost.

Storming? Hardly. I was offering criticism not aimed at you, yet you seemed to have taken it personally.

you realize the one with the i7 isn't the one that costs $680 right?